Just a little request. PLEASE  put the icon-view back in the next 
version. I liked having that little floater sitting on top of whatever 
else I was running (mainly Moray) so I could have it partially minimized 
but still keep tabs on it at a *hands-free* glance. I loved that 
feature, and found it more than worth having.

Lue Ebra
lue### [at] nxuscom
www.electro-net.com/~lueebra

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In article <36a9c8ef.0@news.povray.org>, "Lue Ebra" <lue### [at] nxuscom> wrote:
>Just a little request. PLEASE  put the icon-view back in the next version. I liked
having that little floater sitting on top of whatever else I was running (mainly
Moray) so I could have it partially minimized but still keep tabs on it at a
*hands-free* glance. I loved that feature, and found it more than worth having.
>
>Lue Ebra
>lue### [at] nxuscom
>www.electro-net.com/~lueebra


Please don't post in html, and *remove* this (background?) image, it is a waste of
everybodies resources!


     Thorsten

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Well, I (for one) didn't have any problem with the message you reference.
Just what was your difficulty? I'm using IE4, if it matters.

...larry

Thorsten Froehlich wrote in message <36aa5b51.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Please don't post in html, and *remove* this (background?) image, it is a
waste of
>everybodies resources!

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In article <36aa943a.0@news.povray.org> , "LABourdillon" 
<lab### [at] ixnetcomcom> wrote:
>Well, I (for one) didn't have any problem with the message you reference.
>Just what was your difficulty? I'm using IE4, if it matters.

There was no technical problem, just the useless image makes it slow to
download (and I still have to pay for that...) and then there are lots of
users using this newsserver who use newsreaders that don't support html...if
you post in html they will just ignore your message!


     Thorsten

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My apologies. I was at one of my terminals that added the html after I wrote
the post. When I saw it from the server (after an email from someone
pointing it out), I almost flipped.
I agree with Thorsten about the bandwidth for the ppl who pay by the byte
(although I don't, so, for me, it's a refreshing change from the usually
bland Unixness of the NG's. But I *usually* don't post using html)
Once again, my apologies.

--

Lue Ebra
lue### [at] dalnetsuxmuh-nutzorg
www.electro-net.com/~lueebra
"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity"

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On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:13:17 -0600, Thorsten Froehlich 
	<fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
>In article <36aa943a.0@news.povray.org> , "LABourdillon" 
><lab### [at] ixnetcomcom> wrote:
>>Well, I (for one) didn't have any problem with the message you reference.
>>Just what was your difficulty? I'm using IE4, if it matters.
>
>There was no technical problem, just the useless image makes it slow to
>download (and I still have to pay for that...) and then there are lots of
>users using this newsserver who use newsreaders that don't support html...if
>you post in html they will just ignore your message!

I'll second that.  I noticed, though, that your message also uses a 
nonstandard MIME type which my newsreader complains about but at 
least doesn't choke on:

Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

How does one put utf-8 into a 7-bit encoding, anyway?  Or is this
Microsoft's attempt at cognitive dissonance?  :)

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In article <36ac8b5a.0@news.povray.org> , par### [at] my-dejanewscom (Ron 
Parker) wrote:

> I'll second that.  I noticed, though, that your message also uses a
> nonstandard MIME type which my newsreader complains about but at
> least doesn't choke on:
>
> Mime-version: 1.0
> Content-type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>
> How does one put utf-8 into a 7-bit encoding, anyway?  Or is this
> Microsoft's attempt at cognitive dissonance?  :)

You are right, thank you for pointing this out, it is no news message
standard. I just (three days ago) updated to Outlook Express 4.5 and it
messed up all preferences at first (not reading and converting the old ones
as expected) and I discovered it yesterday in an email that it reset my
encoding to utf-8 (there is utf-7 available as well...). It should now post
in Western European ISO encoding again...


     Thorsten

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In article <36acac1f.0@news.povray.org> , "Thorsten Froehlich" 
<fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:

>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
>Mime-version: 1.0
>Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

> It should now post
> in Western European ISO encoding again...

Great, now it is in US-ASCII also I set this *no*where!!!?

     Thorsten

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On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:41:51 -0600, Thorsten Froehlich 
	<fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
>In article <36acac1f.0@news.povray.org> , "Thorsten Froehlich" 
><fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
>
>>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
>>Mime-version: 1.0
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>
>> It should now post
>> in Western European ISO encoding again...
>
>Great, now it is in US-ASCII also I set this *no*where!!!?

The relevant RFC (2046?) specifies that the user agent should use
the "least common denominator" for the text being sent, so it's
possible that it will use US-ASCII unless you specifically include
something that is not representable in 7 bits.  See, for example,
the headers on this post and the headers on my recent posts in the
DBCS thread, which contain 8-bit characters.  Same newsreader,
same settings, different charsets.

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I see I've no monopoly on a newsreader acting funky  }:=>
But seriously, I see that more ppl are going ape over the envelope and not
the actual letter.

Lue Ebra
lue### [at] nxuscom
www.electro-net.com/~lueebra
"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity"

Ron Parker wrote in message <36acaef9.0@news.povray.org>...
>On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:41:51 -0600, Thorsten Froehlich
> <fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
>>In article <36acac1f.0@news.povray.org> , "Thorsten Froehlich"
>><fro### [at] charliecnsiitedu> wrote:
>>
>>>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
>>>Mime-version: 1.0
>>>Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>>
>>> It should now post
>>> in Western European ISO encoding again...
>>
>>Great, now it is in US-ASCII also I set this *no*where!!!?
>
<snip>.

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