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From: Wizard
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 01:35:01
Message: <web.481955ffbe29fef3375579a60@news.povray.org>
Sabrina Kilian <ykg### [at] SUCKSvtedu> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:30:56 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
> > Wizard escribió:
> >>  Thanks !!
> >>    Mr Thorsten,
> >>    Yes, You are absolutely correct ! This is not the most coherent
> >>    manner to
> >> motivate people to read my post. But, please, tell me how I could
> >> motivate people to read my posts ?.... In my humble opnion add
> >> functionality by module inserting is very important.... !. Please tell
> >> me how ...... Regards !!!
> >
> > Writing coherently is something you should be taught at school ;)
>
> Unless English is not a language that Wizard knows well.
>
> Best advise I can offer, Wizard, is to write your points out separately.
> A few sentences for each point explaining what you think would be the
> benefit of adding the functionality you suggest. Questions about how it
> could be done would be good if you just wanted to learn about it, but are
> probably best left for a separate discussion from suggestions.
>
> Fewer punctuation marks would make your text more readable, as well.
> There is no need for multiple exclamation points, or a period following a
> question mark. And the ellipsis marks, '...', are not helpful. They read
> as though you have left the sentence unfinished.
>
> And, if English is not one of your primary languages, Wizard, perhaps you
> could let that be known. Someone might be able to help translate, if that
> is the case.
>
>
> Followup set to povray.off-topic, in case anyone wants to add helpful
> posting rules.
   Thanks Sabrina ! Like your help! My native language isn't english.


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From: Wizard
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 03:10:03
Message: <web.48196c71be29fef3375579a60@news.povray.org>
"Wizard" <Wizard> wrote:
> Sabrina Kilian <ykg### [at] SUCKSvtedu> wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:30:56 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> >
> > > Wizard escribió:
> > >>  Thanks !!
> > >>    Mr Thorsten,
> > >>    Yes, You are absolutely correct ! This is not the most coherent
> > >>    manner to
> > >> motivate people to read my post. But, please, tell me how I could
> > >> motivate people to read my posts ?.... In my humble opnion add
> > >> functionality by module inserting is very important.... !. Please tell
> > >> me how ...... Regards !!!
> > >
> > > Writing coherently is something you should be taught at school ;)
> >
> > Unless English is not a language that Wizard knows well.
> >
> > Best advise I can offer, Wizard, is to write your points out separately.
> > A few sentences for each point explaining what you think would be the
> > benefit of adding the functionality you suggest. Questions about how it
> > could be done would be good if you just wanted to learn about it, but are
> > probably best left for a separate discussion from suggestions.
> >
> > Fewer punctuation marks would make your text more readable, as well.
> > There is no need for multiple exclamation points, or a period following a
> > question mark. And the ellipsis marks, '...', are not helpful. They read
> > as though you have left the sentence unfinished.
> >
> > And, if English is not one of your primary languages, Wizard, perhaps you
> > could let that be known. Someone might be able to help translate, if that
> > is the case.
> >
> >
> > Followup set to povray.off-topic, in case anyone wants to add helpful
> > posting rules.
>
>    You got it!
>    my native language is not English. Just in time ! I just finished building:
>    libbase.so.1.0, libfrontend.so.1.0 and libpovray.so.1.0 and installed all
>    then in /usr/src/povray-3.6.1/lib. Suggestions about a new place? Fine tuning
>    to produce a shared object library is Fun!.

   Ok! did it ! I builded a very tiny povray executable: 91371 byte. Statically
compiled it have 1765509 bytes. Almost a 20 fold decrease in size. Let's got
better. And it works fine ;)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 03:32:26
Message: <4819720a@news.povray.org>
Wizard <Wizard> wrote:
> > Unless English is not a language that Wizard knows well.
> >
> > Best advise I can offer, Wizard, is to write your points out separately.
> > A few sentences for each point explaining what you think would be the
> > benefit of adding the functionality you suggest. Questions about how it
> > could be done would be good if you just wanted to learn about it, but are
> > probably best left for a separate discussion from suggestions.
> >
> > Fewer punctuation marks would make your text more readable, as well.
> > There is no need for multiple exclamation points, or a period following a
> > question mark. And the ellipsis marks, '...', are not helpful. They read
> > as though you have left the sentence unfinished.
> >
> > And, if English is not one of your primary languages, Wizard, perhaps you
> > could let that be known. Someone might be able to help translate, if that
> > is the case.
> >

>    You got it!
>    my native language is not English.

  Exactly in which language is it customary to write everything in one
single paragraph and overusing ellipsis and question marks?

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Wizard
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 16:00:00
Message: <web.481a20e6be29fef3375579a60@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Wizard <Wizard> wrote:
> > > Unless English is not a language that Wizard knows well.
> > >
> > > Best advise I can offer, Wizard, is to write your points out separately.
> > > A few sentences for each point explaining what you think would be the
> > > benefit of adding the functionality you suggest. Questions about how it
> > > could be done would be good if you just wanted to learn about it, but are
> > > probably best left for a separate discussion from suggestions.
> > >
> > > Fewer punctuation marks would make your text more readable, as well.
> > > There is no need for multiple exclamation points, or a period following a
> > > question mark. And the ellipsis marks, '...', are not helpful. They read
> > > as though you have left the sentence unfinished.
> > >
> > > And, if English is not one of your primary languages, Wizard, perhaps you
> > > could let that be known. Someone might be able to help translate, if that
> > > is the case.
> > >
>
> >    You got it!
> >    my native language is not English.
>
>   Exactly in which language is it customary to write everything in one
> single paragraph and overusing ellipsis and question marks?
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

   Portuguese to be more exactly !. We brazilians love to make a lot of
puctuations and transmit much as possible emotions. If you have opportunity
read a text in a brazilian book, you gonna see it !(in portuguese). As You
know, in spanish grammar you punctuate the double. At beginning and at end. And
living in Japan makes things more interesting.
   The only one single paragraph is because I wrote that just as things came
out. I had been awake for 3 three days straight. Only taking very short naps
while gcc were working hard to build executables. I was so tired that I
couldn't  stay awake to read most of the gcc outputs. I am fine now. I slept
some hours.
   Now in Japan is "Golden Week" if you don't know. A 10 day holiday for most of
us. It will finish day 5.

                                                           - Wizard


  I going to put here one message that I received by one girl in march: (in
portuguese)to let you see it:(sic - in word by word)

             Ola!!!!!!!!!!!!Passando pra te desejar um

             MUITOS ANOS DE VIDA!!!

             MUITO SUCESSO!!!


             translation:
             Hi!!!!!!!!! I come here to wish you a
             HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
             I WISH YOU MANY YEARS OF LIFE!!!
             PEACE AND A LOT OF HEALTH!!!
             SUCESS!!!
             A BIG KISS TO YOU

   This could answer your question.
   Any of you have orkut?. If have tell me. Will be fine to add you!.


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From: Wizard
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 16:05:00
Message: <web.481a2231be29fef3375579a60@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Wizard <Wizard> wrote:
> > > Unless English is not a language that Wizard knows well.
> > >
> > > Best advise I can offer, Wizard, is to write your points out separately.
> > > A few sentences for each point explaining what you think would be the
> > > benefit of adding the functionality you suggest. Questions about how it
> > > could be done would be good if you just wanted to learn about it, but are
> > > probably best left for a separate discussion from suggestions.
> > >
> > > Fewer punctuation marks would make your text more readable, as well.
> > > There is no need for multiple exclamation points, or a period following a
> > > question mark. And the ellipsis marks, '...', are not helpful. They read
> > > as though you have left the sentence unfinished.
> > >
> > > And, if English is not one of your primary languages, Wizard, perhaps you
> > > could let that be known. Someone might be able to help translate, if that
> > > is the case.
> > >
>
> >    You got it!
> >    my native language is not English.
>
>   Exactly in which language is it customary to write everything in one
> single paragraph and overusing ellipsis and question marks?
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

   its colloquial portuguese!!!


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 16:17:37
Message: <481a2560@news.povray.org>
Wizard <Wizard> wrote:
>    Portuguese to be more exactly !. We brazilians love to make a lot of
> puctuations and transmit much as possible emotions. If you have opportunity
> read a text in a brazilian book, you gonna see it !(in portuguese).

  Doesn't look like that to me: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil

  Looks like normal understandable text to me (if I knew the language,
of course).

>    The only one single paragraph is because I wrote that just as things came
> out.

  Which is precisely the problem. If you want your text to be understandable
you have to make an effort to make it understandable.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Wizard
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 17:10:01
Message: <web.481a3137be29fef3375579a60@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Wizard <Wizard> wrote:
> >    Portuguese to be more exactly !. We brazilians love to make a lot of
> > puctuations and transmit much as possible emotions. If you have opportunity
> > read a text in a brazilian book, you gonna see it !(in portuguese).
>
>   Doesn't look like that to me: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil
>
>   Looks like normal understandable text to me (if I knew the language,
> of course).
>
> >    The only one single paragraph is because I wrote that just as things came
> > out.
>
>   Which is precisely the problem. If you want your text to be understandable
> you have to make an effort to make it understandable.
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

        I will.


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From: Wizard
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 1 May 2008 20:10:00
Message: <web.481a5b51be29fef3375579a60@news.povray.org>
Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> Wizard wrote:
> >  Povray is Great !!!! Fantastic !!! Increadible !!!! Simply suberb... But I
> > think Povray could be much amd much better !!!! Much more as it is now !... I
> > think Povray could be as Apache Web server. By Carefully inspecting povray
> > souce code I could notice that basically consists even and even again about the
> > same core code..... So Povray can be programmed as Apache Web Server to accept
> > changes and add functionality by adding modules..... The main code (opensource
> > sure !!!) could be maintained by a team of developers and accepting
> > functionality changes keeping control and knowledge of what is had being
> > developed around the world..... By adding functionality by adding modules would
> > be tremendous easy to povray code grow and became more and more powerfull
> > without rewrite it .....But I don't know yet if it would need a complete
> > rewrite of the entire or partially the source code  . It could take months and
> > a lot of programmers to do it!!!!.. But wouldn't worth all the job to do it
> > ?!?!?!? Think Everybody about this..... Ah! I have been testing povray with
> > Openmosix.... It works But it is deceptive slow....This sometimes makes me
> > angry because I expected a much fast rendering but in case my system things
> > occurs the opposite..... Anybody have any hint??? Any clue ???. I tried making
> > a little change in code, but didn't worked !!!! I am thinking about to prey to
> > God to get help !!!!!!! Please I need Help !!!!!
>
> Did you ever consider that writing in a coherent manner could actually
> motivate people to read your post???
>
>  Thorsten, POV-Team

   Mr Thorsten,

   How is German ?. I heard that is great!. I heard in a touristic agency that
we brazilians can stay in German for two weeks without special permission. I
think that you can do the same in Brazil.  Did you already visited Japan,
Brazil?. Oh! I hope so!. I saw your home page. Take some sleep sometimes help
put ideas in order !. We brazilians say this to each other often...

In the first post I suggested, to make Povray more like Apache Web server.
     This in my humble opnion, would make easier to add more functionality from
contribuitors all around the world without lose too much portability. As you
see don't have many "unofficial patches" of Apache.
     I suggest it because I have a small Openmosix cluster where I live. As my
 main interest is clustering and Pararell applications. I tested Povray in my
cluster with very poor performance. Things went slower not faster as it should
be. Openmosix migrate povray process to a faster machine, but it became slower.
    A rendering file took from Mr Piqueres site, baubles.pov, took about 2 to 3
hours to finish in a single machine using the two pass method. In my Openmosix
cluster it takes much more to complete only the second pass. I know that povray
3.6 isn't multithreaded and don't forks as desirable in the OpenMosix cluster.It
just migrate the process. And don't think that is ethernet bandwidth because is
sufficient enough.
     By making povray as Dynamically Loading Module and create smaller child
process as normally required in pararell.
     In these holydays in Japan I been working on that!.I compiled a small DSO
povray executable. But things didn't went right as expected. At first,
 this small binary seemed to work when started without options it gives all
messages. But starting it to render a image: ./povray +iwoodbox.pov it failed !
as it exited and printed: "Illegal instruction". All libraries: libpovray.so
libbase.so libfrontend.so was build smoothly without problems. The tiny
executable povray was also smoothly builded. All Under OpenMosix kernel. As I
tried too in normal kernel.Any clue ?.
      Well I hope, this time make myself more clear.


                                   Regards!


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 6 Oct 2008 15:38:27
Message: <48ea6933@news.povray.org>
Warp escreveu:
> Wizard <Wizard> wrote:
>>    Portuguese to be more exactly !. We brazilians love to make a lot of
>> puctuations and transmit much as possible emotions. If you have opportunity
>> read a text in a brazilian book, you gonna see it !(in portuguese).
> 
>   Doesn't look like that to me: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil
> 
>   Looks like normal understandable text to me (if I knew the language,
> of course).
> 
>>    The only one single paragraph is because I wrote that just as things came
>> out.
> 
>   Which is precisely the problem. If you want your text to be understandable
> you have to make an effort to make it understandable.

He sounds like a typical brazilian Orkuter to me.  These people are 
incomprehensible by nature. :P


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From: Anton Sherwood
Subject: Re: Povray improvement !!!
Date: 26 Feb 2009 16:58:54
Message: <49a7109e$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> He sounds like a typical brazilian Orkuter to me. 
> These people are incomprehensible by nature. :P

I wonder why Orkut caught on so well in Brazil.  I found it ridiculously 
hard to use.

-- 
Anton Sherwood, www.ogre.nu
"How'd ya like to climb this high without no mountain?"--Porky Pine


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