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Thomas Willhalm wrote:
> They don't have to release anything -- neither beta versions, source code
> nor a final product. It's freeware.
That's one major point : their freedom to do so or not to do so.
> BUT take a look at http://www.ssc.com/linux/Eric/cathedral-paper.html !
> It does make sense to publish half finished, deficient code. If it works
> for a big project like Linux, why not for POV-Ray?
Because even if it is a big help to the project it is a lot of work to co-ordinate
such a thing and end up with something consistent. If you look more closely at
Linux, you will not see one big nice version that is the official one, you have
Slackware, RedHat, ... and so many others, you don't know where to stop for
getting yours. Who supports what ? Do you have to be the mechanic to fix each
small issue that may arise ?With Linux the ones who use it are expected to know
what they are on about, with POV, all you nneed is know the scene language and
most of all where to find the description for this language : read the manual. No
manual in the world will allow you to use Linux as easily as you use POV, simply
for that reason that it is so complex and diverse.
> I really don't understand why the povteam doesn't take advantage of the big
> number of povray users with programming skills.
They do now and then. You are invited to submit your bug reports and fixes when
you can do so. You are invited to submit new functions or whatever, only they keep
control to have one version out. Only one official version.
> As mentioned in the article there should always be two versions: a stable
> one and an experimental one.
Of course it is possible, but that has a cost : time to manage.
The POV-Team I guess is more interested in doing the thing for themselves rather
than the possibility of not doing it and managing hundreds of developpers
worldwide.
I think this is the alternative.
Regards,
Al.
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"Thorsten Froehlich" <Tho### [at] csi com> writes:
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> In article <qqm### [at] goldachinformatikuni-konstanzde> ,
> Thomas Willhalm <Tho### [at] uni-konstanzde> wrote:
>
[...]
>
> >I'm sorry for my bad English, but I hope that you will understand my
> >suggestion this time:
>
> Well, it is a little bit stupid for two people speaking German to talk in
> English and to misunderstand each other. If you wish, we can (apart from
> this thread) discuss the issue in our native language :-)
Well, I post here because I think you already answered my questions.
From my (little) experience with the POV-Team I had the impression that
it's a closed group of people and that they don't consider input from
the rest of the world. As you've written you are a counterexample to
my impression. So I'm glad to hear that I was wrong.
[...]
> >Once, I have written a bug report including a hint what to change in the
> >source code to Chris Young. I've never got a reply and the bug is still
> >included in the current beta. Why does this happen? This really discourages
> >me to look for bugs in future. I guess that the same is true for other
> >people with some interest and knowledge in programming, maths, and
> >raytracing.
>
> Hmm, Chris Young is a nice guy, maybe he missed your e-mail?
> I don't know! Why don't you remember him?
I was discouraged by the statement that the source code isn't supported.
> BTW, what was/is the bug?
The number of components isn't set to two if a twodimensional vector is
parsed. In particular the following code does not work:
<1,0>.v
> >An den BND: Eisbombe Fremdenfuehrer Siegfried Heilsarmee
>
> You don't expect the German secret service to listen to newsgroups -
> are you sure there is anyone who knows what this is? ;-)
Mmmh, at least one :-) But you're right: I removed it from my signature
file.
Thanks a lot for your answers
Thomas
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Alain CULOS <ZAl### [at] bigfootcom> writes:
> Thomas Willhalm wrote:
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> > They don't have to release anything -- neither beta versions, source code
> > nor a final product. It's freeware.
>
> That's one major point : their freedom to do so or not to do so.
Don't get me wrong: I didn't want to say they have to use a bazaar like
development, but I wanted to understand why they don't. Thorsten's and
your answers helped me to see that partially they do already and why
they don't fully. In particular, I think the main reason is your last
argument:
> Of course it is possible, but that has a cost : time to manage.
> The POV-Team I guess is more interested in doing the thing for themselves
> rather than the possibility of not doing it and managing hundreds of
> developpers worldwide.
Happy tracing
Thomas
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Thomas Willhalm wrote:
> Alain CULOS <ZAl### [at] bigfootcom> writes:
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> > That's one major point : their freedom to do so or not to do so.
>
> Don't get me wrong: I didn't want to say they have to use a bazaar like
> development, but I wanted to understand why they don't. Thorsten's and
> your answers helped me to see that partially they do already and why
> they don't fully. In particular, I think the main reason is your last
> argument:
>
> > Of course it is possible, but that has a cost : time to manage.
> > The POV-Team I guess is more interested in doing the thing for themselves
> > rather than the possibility of not doing it and managing hundreds of
> > developpers worldwide.
>
> Happy tracing
>
> Thomas
I don't think I got you wrong, I was just stating my understanding as clear as I
possibly could given your [I understand, but ...] style statements. Thus said, I
never thought you disrespected the POV-team. I hope some day I'll join them, but
I'm not ready to even consider asking them yet - I have many wild ideas that I
need to study and experiment with before doing anything else ...
Happy tracing to you too,
Al.
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