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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 11 Aug 2020 11:46:42
Message: <5f32bd62$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:31:42 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:

>> Text / html in the usual sort of post would be good, but also maybe
>> exporting it to a PDF so it can be individually downloaded and archived
>> might be a good idea as well.  It would also look pretty professional,
>> and outside sites could link to the PDF thus generating traffic to -
>> HERE.
>> 
>> 
> PDF would be most excellent indeed. It is the medium I most often use to
> produce and/or archive texts myself.

I don't entirely disagree, but PDF is not an open format, so from a "free 
software" perspective, would be strongly discouraged IIRC.  Providing it 
in a format that could be published in multiple formats, OTOH, would be a 
really good solution.

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 11 Aug 2020 12:56:45
Message: <5f32cdcd$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:46:42 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:31:42 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
>>> Text / html in the usual sort of post would be good, but also maybe
>>> exporting it to a PDF so it can be individually downloaded and
>>> archived might be a good idea as well.  It would also look pretty
>>> professional, and outside sites could link to the PDF thus generating
>>> traffic to - HERE.
>>> 
>>> 
>> PDF would be most excellent indeed. It is the medium I most often use
>> to produce and/or archive texts myself.
> 
> I don't entirely disagree, but PDF is not an open format, so from a
> "free software" perspective, would be strongly discouraged IIRC. 
> Providing it in a format that could be published in multiple formats,
> OTOH, would be a really good solution.

ePub would probably be a better choice, since that standard is completely 
open.



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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 11 Aug 2020 13:20:01
Message: <web.5f32d31b17b7b05f1f9dae300@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

> > I don't entirely disagree, but PDF is not an open format, so from a
> > "free software" perspective, would be strongly discouraged IIRC.
> > Providing it in a format that could be published in multiple formats,
> > OTOH, would be a really good solution.
>
> ePub would probably be a better choice, since that standard is completely
> open.

https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/writer2epub

done.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 11 Aug 2020 13:43:31
Message: <5f32d8c3$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:19:23 -0400, Bald Eagle wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>> > I don't entirely disagree, but PDF is not an open format, so from a
>> > "free software" perspective, would be strongly discouraged IIRC.
>> > Providing it in a format that could be published in multiple formats,
>> > OTOH, would be a really good solution.
>>
>> ePub would probably be a better choice, since that standard is
>> completely open.
> 
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/writer2epub
> 
> done.

Excellent :)



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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Thorsten
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 11 Aug 2020 15:14:13
Message: <5f32ee05$1@news.povray.org>
On 11.08.2020 17:46, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I don't entirely disagree, but PDF is not an open format, so from a "free
> software" perspective, would be strongly discouraged IIRC.  Providing it
> in a format that could be published in multiple formats, OTOH, would be a
> really good solution.

Actually, PDF is an ISO standard and even usable for archive purposes.

Thorsten


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 11 Aug 2020 15:40:55
Message: <5f32f447@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 21:14:13 +0200, Thorsten wrote:

> On 11.08.2020 17:46, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I don't entirely disagree, but PDF is not an open format, so from a
>> "free software" perspective, would be strongly discouraged IIRC. 
>> Providing it in a format that could be published in multiple formats,
>> OTOH, would be a really good solution.
> 
> Actually, PDF is an ISO standard and even usable for archive purposes.

Yeah, I know it can be used that way, but its history makes it somewhat 
less suitable for some OSS projects and implementations.  While we 
wouldn't use signing or forms (for example), those implementations are 
highly proprietary and only supported by Adobe.


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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 12 Aug 2020 02:42:17
Message: <5f338f49$1@news.povray.org>
Op 11/08/2020 om 19:19 schreef Bald Eagle:
> https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/writer2epub
> 
> done.
> 

Done too.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Mr
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 12 Aug 2020 12:10:01
Message: <web.5f34113417b7b05f6adeaecb0@news.povray.org>
"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:


> Lastly, and this is mostly here for completeness, would be articles that deal
> with what _can't_ be done - and why.  This may help someone just starting a
> scene from unproductively pursuing a doomed strategy.  It's also a good place to
> discuss what scene coders probably do best - fake it with a workaround that's
> good enough to fool the eye from the chosen perspective.  Many people may be
> tempted to model the exact geometry of something, or a _whole_ something, when
> simply a close approximation and some clever texturing with normals will do the
> trick.   Billboarding.  Etc.


Great idea, only I hope it could be in an easy to evolve source like wiki for
instance, so that we could have the satisfaction of seeing stuff get crossed out
when new features and fixes get these issues resolved and workarounds
unnecessary.

> There should probably be a poll soliciting what actual users would like to see
> covered (and why), as well as a list of people they might like/hope to see
> invited articles by.   (It's early and this is by no means an inclusive list)
> Paul Bourke, Inigo Quilez, Tor Olav Kristensen, Jaime Vives Piqueres, Paul
> Nylander, Robert McGregor, Ive, Norbert Kern, Gilles Tran, Christoph Hormann,
> Samuel Benge ... and others which I may not even be aware of.

Awesome and besides such obviously talented artists, In that list, space may be
also available to the talented persons who so often help new comers and even
advanced users to troubleshoot (thinking of all people like " Alain " (Martel?),
etc. ) to
give their most repeated or hard to find out pieces of advice.


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 25 Aug 2020 20:20:00
Message: <web.5f45aa3017b7b05f1f9dae300@news.povray.org>
{bump}


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: whither POV-Ray ??
Date: 25 Aug 2020 21:37:14
Message: <5f45bcca$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/08/2020 10:17, Bald Eagle wrote:
> {bump}

Prod noted, thanks ;-)

I'll try to put together the steps needed for a release and post it this
week.

-- Chris


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