On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:46:31 -0400, Anthony D. Baye wrote:

> Terrifying possibilities for misuse.  In fact... Are there -any-
> legitimate uses for this technology?
> 
> Well maybe for the second, but I can't think of anything good that can
> come of the first.

Both would make for really interesting motion capture technologies for 
computer games and film making.

Jim


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Winston's Confession - 0:45 - Winston confesses to thoughtcrime. Just as with
the rest of the confessions, he is forced to confesses to crimes he never
actually committed.
http://www.apfn.org/audio/1984-Winstons-Confession.mp3

Of course:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/20/mindreading_mri_spots_letters_in_the_brain/

if they have #read, it's only a matter of time before they devise #open, #write,
#erase, #format, #copy, #append, etc.

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On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 22:26:26 -0400, Bald Eagle wrote:

> Winston's Confession - 0:45 - Winston confesses to thoughtcrime. Just as
> with the rest of the confessions, he is forced to confesses to crimes he
> never actually committed.
> http://www.apfn.org/audio/1984-Winstons-Confession.mp3
> 
> Of course:
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/20/
mindreading_mri_spots_letters_in_the_brain/
> 
> if they have #read, it's only a matter of time before they devise #open,
> #write, #erase, #format, #copy, #append, etc.

For me, this is kinda like talking about weakening encryption.

Just because governments may want to mandate weak encryption for law 
enforcement purposes completely forgets that there are people outside 
their jurisdiction who will create such encryption programs, and those 
programs will most certainly be used by the people they want to target 
the most.

All you do is drive the technology further underground, or outside the 
legal reach of those who wish to control it.

It ain't going to be stopped.  Better to understand how it works and be 
fully conversant in the technology than to be ignorant of it or to 
pretend it doesn't exist.

Jim

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> Modifying RGB videos with motion capture
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk&app=desktop
>
>
> Inserting 3D objects into photographs without access to scene or source
>
>
http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/247346/way-cooler-than-photoshop-add-3d-objects-to-2d-photos/

I don't think courts take any video or photo evidence to be assumed 
authentic anyway. Not unless you have additional evidence that it is. 
It's already too easy to edit with photoshop or a video editor.

> Terrifying possibilities for misuse.  In fact... Are there -any- legitimate uses
> for this technology?

Avoiding having to pay for the expensive actor to come back in again 
because they forgot to shoot something?

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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/20/mindreading_mri_spots_letters_in_the_brain/
>

I had to check the date of that article to make sure it wasn't April 
1st.  But apparently not.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/19c6/a93d714f5871b1a66cf2c71a71d611348c24.pdf




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On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 08:22:03 +0000, scott wrote:

>> Modifying RGB videos with motion capture
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk&app=desktop
>>
>>
>> Inserting 3D objects into photographs without access to scene or source
>>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/247346/way-cooler-than-
photoshop-add-3d-objects-to-2d-photos/
> 
> I don't think courts take any video or photo evidence to be assumed
> authentic anyway. Not unless you have additional evidence that it is.
> It's already too easy to edit with photoshop or a video editor.
> 
>> Terrifying possibilities for misuse.  In fact... Are there -any-
>> legitimate uses for this technology?
> 
> Avoiding having to pay for the expensive actor to come back in again
> because they forgot to shoot something?

My initial thought was translations of films - if you record the facial 
expressions of a voice actor performing a role in, say, Japanese, then 
you could get T2 with the Terminator actually speaking Japanese, instead 
of looking like it's poorly dubbed.

Jim



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Am 2016-03-21 14:07, also sprach Jim Henderson:

> My initial thought was translations of films - if you record the facial
> expressions of a voice actor performing a role in, say, Japanese, then
> you could get T2 with the Terminator actually speaking Japanese, instead
> of looking like it's poorly dubbed.
>

That's a great idea!  Then add some audio processing so French Clint 
Eastwood in "Two Mules for Sister Sara" isn't a freakin' 
tenor/contra-alto. (Man, was that distracting.)  (Just saw an interview 
with Jennifer Lawrence who complained that her French dub is a soprano)

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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> > Modifying RGB videos with motion capture
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk&app=desktop
> >
> >
> > Inserting 3D objects into photographs without access to scene or source
> >
> >
http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/247346/way-cooler-than-photoshop-add-3d-objects-to-2d-photos/
>
> I don't think courts take any video or photo evidence to be assumed
> authentic anyway. Not unless you have additional evidence that it is.
> It's already too easy to edit with photoshop or a video editor.
>
> > Terrifying possibilities for misuse.  In fact... Are there -any- legitimate uses
> > for this technology?
>
> Avoiding having to pay for the expensive actor to come back in again
> because they forgot to shoot something?

Actors get paid by the contract, not hourly.  so this argument is invalid.
Crispin Glover sued the makers of BTTF 2 for profiting from his likeness without
compensation.

I admit that the dubbing thing is an idea that I didn't consider, but I don't
think that the benefits outweigh the risks.

Regards,
A.D.B.

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 23:01:42 -0400, Anthony D. Baye wrote:

> I admit that the dubbing thing is an idea that I didn't consider, but I
> don't think that the benefits outweigh the risks.

You can't stop it from happening - just like I said with strong 
encryption, if US tech companies don't do it, someone outside the US 
will, and the bad guys will use it.

Better to be armed with what's possible.

Jim
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> Actors get paid by the contract, not hourly.  so this argument is invalid.

The contract amount will just be based on the expected amount of work 
(which surely includes some expectation of retakes). If the average 
number of retakes is reduced due to such technology then you can imagine 
the expected amount of work would be less at the star.

Anyway it's not just paying the actor, it's everything else. Paying all 
the other staff, travel/accommodation, creating the set again, etc. If 
there was the requirement/option to just modify the facial expression 
and/or words in a pre-shot sequence, it's going to save a lot of money.

> Crispin Glover sued the makers of BTTF 2 for profiting from his likeness without
> compensation.

Presumably once such technology is established and working well, it will 
be in the contract, that they are allowed to use it if necessary.

> I admit that the dubbing thing is an idea that I didn't consider, but I don't
> think that the benefits outweigh the risks.

The risks don't go away though if you don't use the technology. Someone 
has invented it and made it public.

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