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From: clipka
Subject: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 31 Jan 2015 04:35:06
Message: <web.54cca144bcdf35f185dc17ec0@news.povray.org>
Has the Zombie Apocalypse finally hit? Aside from my own postings, the entire
POV-Ray newsgroups have been eerily silent for a couple of days already.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 31 Jan 2015 05:55:55
Message: <54ccb4bb$1@news.povray.org>
On 31/01/2015 09:32, clipka wrote:
> Has the Zombie Apocalypse finally hit? Aside from my own postings, the entire
> POV-Ray newsgroups have been eerily silent for a couple of days already.
>

He live.

Kill, kill, kill. ;-)


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     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 31 Jan 2015 13:01:44
Message: <54cd1888$1@news.povray.org>
On 31/01/2015 09:32 AM, clipka wrote:
> Has the Zombie Apocalypse finally hit? Aside from my own postings, the entire
> POV-Ray newsgroups have been eerily silent for a couple of days already.

Anyone else remember when p.o-t used to be so busy that there were more 
posts-per-minute than you could actually keep up with?

For whatever reason, it seems everybody is slowly drifting away from 
here. (I guess because POV-Ray is becoming less popular; IDK.)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 31 Jan 2015 14:19:44
Message: <54cd2ad0$1@news.povray.org>
On 31/01/2015 18:02, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 31/01/2015 09:32 AM, clipka wrote:
>> Has the Zombie Apocalypse finally hit? Aside from my own postings, the
>> entire
>> POV-Ray newsgroups have been eerily silent for a couple of days already.
>
> Anyone else remember when p.o-t used to be so busy that there were more
> posts-per-minute than you could actually keep up with?
>
> For whatever reason, it seems everybody is slowly drifting away from
> here. (I guess because POV-Ray is becoming less popular; IDK.)

I blame you for getting a new job. :-P

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     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 1 Feb 2015 05:07:37
Message: <54cdfae9@news.povray.org>
>> For whatever reason, it seems everybody is slowly drifting away from
>> here. (I guess because POV-Ray is becoming less popular; IDK.)
>
> I blame you for getting a new job. :-P

What do you want me to say? Bukakke? :-P

I mean, I *could* post another long rant about how Haskell fixes the 
stuff that every other programming language gets wrong... But clearly 
nobody cares. So now I just hang out on Stack Overflow answering the 
same six newbie questions every day - and so far I'm up to just under 
20,000 rep. (Mostly because of ONE QUESTION I asked a few years ago 
which still earns me about 20 rep per month to this day, but anyway...)

That said, I do have a few ideas...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 1 Feb 2015 06:39:31
Message: <54ce1073$1@news.povray.org>
On 01/02/2015 10:07, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> For whatever reason, it seems everybody is slowly drifting away from
>>> here. (I guess because POV-Ray is becoming less popular; IDK.)
>>
>> I blame you for getting a new job. :-P
>
> What do you want me to say? Bukakke? :-P
>

I will get back to you on that one.

> I mean, I *could* post another long rant about how Haskell fixes the
> stuff that every other programming language gets wrong... But clearly
> nobody cares.

Not true. Even if I cannot join in the conversations, I enjoy reading 
them. It is educational.

Did you go to Blackpool this year?

> So now I just hang out on Stack Overflow answering the
> same six newbie questions every day - and so far I'm up to just under
> 20,000 rep. (Mostly because of ONE QUESTION I asked a few years ago
> which still earns me about 20 rep per month to this day, but anyway...)
>

It is only fair that you spread yourself around. :-P

> That said, I do have a few ideas...

So I see from your first sentence. ^_^

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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 1 Feb 2015 07:00:06
Message: <54ce1546$1@news.povray.org>
On 31-1-2015 19:02, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 31/01/2015 09:32 AM, clipka wrote:
>> Has the Zombie Apocalypse finally hit? Aside from my own postings, the
>> entire
>> POV-Ray newsgroups have been eerily silent for a couple of days already.
>
> Anyone else remember when p.o-t used to be so busy that there were more
> posts-per-minute than you could actually keep up with?
>
> For whatever reason, it seems everybody is slowly drifting away from
> here. (I guess because POV-Ray is becoming less popular; IDK.)

It is an interesting question indeed. What is the relationship between a 
'less popular' POV-Ray (that is another question of course) and fewer 
visits to p.o-t? Except for it being in the POV-Ray newsgroups, there 
should be little to no interaction imho, but what we seem to see is 
number of POV-Ray images /and/ o-t visits going down. I wonder about the 
production of images with other programs: do they show the same trend?

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Thomas


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 1 Feb 2015 07:01:19
Message: <54ce158f$1@news.povray.org>
>> I mean, I *could* post another long rant about how Haskell fixes the
>> stuff that every other programming language gets wrong... But clearly
>> nobody cares.
>
> Not true. Even if I cannot join in the conversations, I enjoy reading
> them. It is educational.

Really? Heh, and here I was thinking I just get trolled by Warp because 
C++ is clearly better.

(Does it scare anyone else that I don't know C++ yet I get paid to 
produce commercial applications in C++?)

My favourite one to show people is the 400-line C++ module I wrote in 
our application, and the corresponding 10-line Haskell function that 
does the same thing and is drastically easier to read. Unsurprisingly, 
my boss is unswayed by this. (But most other people are like "OMG, ARE 
YOU SERIOUS??! How some it's so much shorter? Haskell must be really 
powerful. I guess nobody here would ever be able to understand it...")

> Did you go to Blackpool this year?

Yeah, I was at Blackpool for 2014. We got 4th place again - but unlike 
the previous time, there were actually some contestants to compete 
against, so it felt like more of an achievement. Oh, and last night I 
got presented with my latest dance exam award. (Not that my partner was 
around... I seriously think she's got bored of me. I never seen to see 
her anymore...)

> It is only fair that you spread yourself around. :-P

Like peanut butter?

Seriously - I did a Haskell VFAQ a while back, didn't I? Those same 
questions keep repeating themselves. Although more recently, you'll see, 
like, six unnamed users all simultaneously post almost identical 
questions about "how do I update a binary tree?" or something. It's as 
if somebody's setting Haskell questions as homework...

>> That said, I do have a few ideas...
>
> So I see from your first sentence. ^_^

:-P


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 1 Feb 2015 07:17:22
Message: <54ce1952$1@news.povray.org>
>> For whatever reason, it seems everybody is slowly drifting away from
>> here. (I guess because POV-Ray is becoming less popular; IDK.)
>
> It is an interesting question indeed. What is the relationship between a
> 'less popular' POV-Ray (that is another question of course) and fewer
> visits to p.o-t?

As you say, it's an interesting one. Hypothetically there should be no 
relationship, but...

> but what we seem to see is
> number of POV-Ray images /and/ o-t visits going down. I wonder about the
> production of images with other programs: do they show the same trend?

It seems to be like POV-Ray is becoming obsolete - much like the vibrant 
FractInt community I used to inhabit. In it's day, FractInt was the 
daddy. No end of other programs quoted FractInt compatibility as a 
feature - because it had the best speed and by far the most options and 
best documentation of anything you could get.

Nobody uses FractInt anymore.

(Boot into MS-DOS to run it? Only uses one core? Only supports standard 
VGA screen-modes? What do you mean "limited to 640KB RAM"? Why do I have 
to use the "disk rendering" option to render anything bigger than 
1024x768? Why does it only have 18-bit colour?!? Why can I only load and 
save files in GIF format? Why is the user interface in text-mode? Why do 
have the screen-modes not work on my nVidia 280 GTX? What is "Tandy Video"?)

I feel POV-Ray may be succumbing to this as well. I still use POV-Ray (I 
have three instances running right now, in fact). But its radiosity mode 
takes *hours* to render anything at high-quality. And the other day I 
saw a demo of a renderer that runs IN A FREAKING WEB-BROWSER and uses an 
unbiased render running on the GPU to recreate the same effect as 
POV-Ray in *seconds* rather than days.

It seems diffuse inter-reflection is the big thing these days.

I still use POV-Ray, because
1. I haven't found any other program that can render shapes that aren't 
polygon meshes.
2. I haven't found any other program that can render textures that 
aren't bitmaps.
3. I haven't found anything else that's scriptable like POV-Ray is.

To most people, such considerations are probably moot. But to a 
mathematician like me...

Also, I have to drawing talent. All I can do is construct interesting 
functions and hope that graphing them does something entertaining.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Zombie Apocalypse
Date: 1 Feb 2015 14:14:04
Message: <54ce7afc$1@news.povray.org>
On 01/02/2015 12:01, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>>
>> Not true. Even if I cannot join in the conversations, I enjoy reading
>> them. It is educational.
>
> Really?

Yes.

> Heh, and here I was thinking I just get trolled by Warp because
> C++ is clearly better.
>

Is it?

> (Does it scare anyone else that I don't know C++ yet I get paid to
> produce commercial applications in C++?)
>

Well done! That man. :-)

> My favourite one to show people is the 400-line C++ module I wrote in
> our application, and the corresponding 10-line Haskell function that
> does the same thing and is drastically easier to read. Unsurprisingly,
> my boss is unswayed by this. (But most other people are like "OMG, ARE
> YOU SERIOUS??! How some it's so much shorter? Haskell must be really
> powerful. I guess nobody here would ever be able to understand it...")
>

Well I don't. :-(

>> Did you go to Blackpool this year?
>
> Yeah, I was at Blackpool for 2014. We got 4th place again - but unlike
> the previous time, there were actually some contestants to compete
> against, so it felt like more of an achievement. Oh, and last night I
> got presented with my latest dance exam award. (Not that my partner was
> around... I seriously think she's got bored of me. I never seen to see
> her anymore...)
>

Toss her aside and get a young one. ;-)

>> It is only fair that you spread yourself around. :-P
>
> Like peanut butter?
>

Perve! :-P


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     Stephen


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