On 07/10/2011 7:55 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:19:03 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Since I don’t buy anything in response to targeted advertising. I would
>> say spam is all unsolicited mail, whether it is electronic, snail mail
>> or just pops through your letter box.
>
> I would agree.  I define it as "advertising I didn't ask for".
>

And phone calls. I've been getting a spate of them recently about 
accidents that I’ve never had.


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On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:08:57 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 07/10/2011 7:55 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:19:03 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Since I don’t buy anything in response to targeted advertising. I
>>> would say spam is all unsolicited mail, whether it is electronic,
>>> snail mail or just pops through your letter box.
>>
>> I would agree.  I define it as "advertising I didn't ask for".
>>
>>
> And phone calls. I've been getting a spate of them recently about
> accidents that I’ve never had.

Oh, there's a special circle of hell for telemarketers.

Jim

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On 07/10/2011 8:16 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

>> And phone calls. I've been getting a spate of them recently about
>> accidents that I’ve never had.
>
> Oh, there's a special circle of hell for telemarketers.
>
And r-e-c-o-r-d-e-d –a-n-n-o-u-n-c-e-m-e-n-t-s.


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Le 07/10/2011 20:52, Jim Henderson nous fit lire :
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 07:31:44 -0400, gregjohn wrote:
> 
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:12:21 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> That's not what you said, though, you said it *needs* GPS to exist.  It
>>> doesn't need it, it's just a very useful tool so they know where they
>>> are without resorting to other methods.
>>>
>>>
>> You're sending a missile.  You put an AI in the missile to stop and ask
>> the local villagers where something is?
> 
> Laser guided missiles.
> 

Issue: you can fire only one missile per laser lambda... or they might
hit the same target and forget others.

At the power needed for the laser, there is not a lot of lambda available.

Not a bomb-carpet... just a single shot every few minutes. Now, that's a
battlefield!

And to paint with laser, you usually need some vulnerable proxy
(airplane or commando)

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On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:28:13 +0200, Le_Forgeron wrote:

> Le 07/10/2011 20:52, Jim Henderson nous fit lire :
>> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 07:31:44 -0400, gregjohn wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:12:21 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>>> That's not what you said, though, you said it *needs* GPS to exist. 
>>>> It doesn't need it, it's just a very useful tool so they know where
>>>> they are without resorting to other methods.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You're sending a missile.  You put an AI in the missile to stop and
>>> ask the local villagers where something is?
>> 
>> Laser guided missiles.
>> 
>> 
> Issue: you can fire only one missile per laser lambda... or they might
> hit the same target and forget others.

True.

> At the power needed for the laser, there is not a lot of lambda
> available.
> 
> Not a bomb-carpet... just a single shot every few minutes. Now, that's a
> battlefield!
> 
> And to paint with laser, you usually need some vulnerable proxy
> (airplane or commando)

Given that it's going to be destroyed, you paint whatever it is that you 
want to be blown to smithereens.

Jim

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On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:20:18 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 07/10/2011 8:16 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>>> And phone calls. I've been getting a spate of them recently about
>>> accidents that I’ve never had.
>>
>> Oh, there's a special circle of hell for telemarketers.
>>
> And r-e-c-o-r-d-e-d –a-n-n-o-u-n-c-e-m-e-n-t-s.

Yes indeed.

And phone scammers.  In fact, that's a different circle than the one for 
'mere' telemarketers.

Jim

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On 10/7/2011 0:54, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> The real interest of GPS is low flying cruise missiles

I understood that the original reason for encrypting the low-order bits was 
to guard against enemy ICBMs being targetted directly on top of friendly 
silos. The thought was that if you're lost at sea, getting accuracy to 
100m-200m would get you in sight of where you want to be, so it was good 
enough for GPS.
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On 10/7/2011 11:55, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I would agree.  I define it as "advertising I didn't ask for".

All advertising is advertising you didn't ask for. Otherwise it's product 
literature. :-)

I would say (for example) that most "junk mail" would be spam. But someone 
standing in the door of the store handing out coupons good in that store for 
products you may or may not be there to buy wouldn't be spam. The server 
telling you the specials of the day is advertisement but not spam. (Unless 
the special of the day is spam, of course.)

I don't think you can take someone who says "I hate all forms of all 
advertising" and use their opinions to base "good advertising vs bad 
advertising" discussions.

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Paul Fuller wrote:
> > Then the military has developed extra capability to
> > 'deny' GPS to selected areas when they desire.

Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> That's new to me.

I wouldn't doubt it, though.

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On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:40:43 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 10/7/2011 11:55, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I would agree.  I define it as "advertising I didn't ask for".
> 
> All advertising is advertising you didn't ask for. Otherwise it's
> product literature. :-)

Exactly.  I tend not to buy stuff based on advertising, if I want (for 
example) some USB flash drives, I go looking for information.  Bombarding 
me with advertising about Sandisk or Kingston flash drives isn't going to 
get me to buy them.

What's going to get me to buy them (as I did yesterday) is that I have a 
need for them.  Then I'm going to look for something that fits my needs.

And as Costco had a 3-pack of 8 GB flash drives for about $40, that's 
what I ended up buying.

> I would say (for example) that most "junk mail" would be spam. But
> someone standing in the door of the store handing out coupons good in
> that store for products you may or may not be there to buy wouldn't be
> spam. The server telling you the specials of the day is advertisement
> but not spam. (Unless the special of the day is spam, of course.)
> 
> I don't think you can take someone who says "I hate all forms of all
> advertising" and use their opinions to base "good advertising vs bad
> advertising" discussions.

Coupons are a bit different to me - if they're for stores I shop at.  I 
don't mind getting Costco coupons, for example, because we have a 
membership there and we spend a fair amount of money there.  So it's good 
to know what's on sale and what's going to be on sale (since they 
actually will tend to ring the coupons regardless of whether or not you 
bring them in or not).

But in general, I'm in the camp of "I hate all forms of advertising". :)

Jim

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