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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 22 May 2011 03:11:14
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Nekar Xenos <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I'm not sure you would get water like that at the North Pole either...

  Yeah. Global warming is pretty bad, but I don't think it's yet *that*
bad. (Although in a few decades, who knows...)

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 22 May 2011 03:12:11
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> photoshop

  Since when has Terragen been called "photoshop"?

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 22 May 2011 10:06:04
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Was anybody else's first reaction "does the JPEG have an EXIF tag?"?

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 22 May 2011 15:15:01
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > photoshop
>
>   Since when has Terragen been called "photoshop"?

didn't look like Terragen, just an edited photo.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 23 May 2011 02:28:22
Message: <4dd9fe86@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:14:33 -0400, nemesis wrote:

> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> > photoshop
>>
>>   Since when has Terragen been called "photoshop"?
> 
> didn't look like Terragen, just an edited photo.

Doesn't look anything like a photo to me, as others pointed out, apart 
from the sizes being completely wrong no matter where you are in the 
world, there are other significant issues with the image that make it a 
physical impossibility.

Jim


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From: Loki Doki
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 23 May 2011 08:59:33
Message: <4dda5a35@news.povray.org>
On 05/21/11 20:49, Nekar Xenos wrote:
> Why does this look so much like a render? The moon looks so huge and the
> sun so small...

It would be nice if someone could take a photo of the moon and venus in
this constellation…

Lars R.

PS: I don't know the angular size of venus by mind, who does?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 23 May 2011 09:15:14
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On 23/05/2011 13:59, Loki Doki wrote:

> PS: I don't know the angular size of venus by mind, who does?

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Venus+angular+size


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 23 May 2011 15:20:01
Message: <web.4ddab243256f81bf773c9a3e0@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:14:33 -0400, nemesis wrote:
>
> > Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> >> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >> > photoshop
> >>
> >>   Since when has Terragen been called "photoshop"?
> >
> > didn't look like Terragen, just an edited photo.
>
> Doesn't look anything like a photo to me, as others pointed out, apart
> from the sizes being completely wrong no matter where you are in the
> world, there are other significant issues with the image that make it a
> physical impossibility.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/northpole.asp

amusing.  You search for "north pole sunset" in both google and flickr and
several copies of that image come up.

I don't see any particular "significant issues with the image that make it a
physical impossibility" with it though, apart from the sizes, which could be
edited.  Specially in the face of HDR photography making photos look like CG,
like this one with 3 min exposure:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelpixcomau/5452674118/


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 23 May 2011 18:13:22
Message: <4ddadc02@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 23 May 2011 15:15:15 -0400, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:14:33 -0400, nemesis wrote:
>>
>> > Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> >> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> >> > photoshop
>> >>
>> >>   Since when has Terragen been called "photoshop"?
>> >
>> > didn't look like Terragen, just an edited photo.
>>
>> Doesn't look anything like a photo to me, as others pointed out, apart
>> from the sizes being completely wrong no matter where you are in the
>> world, there are other significant issues with the image that make it a
>> physical impossibility.
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/northpole.asp
> 
> amusing.  You search for "north pole sunset" in both google and flickr
> and several copies of that image come up.

Yeah, amazing that Google pulls up results that are not just photographs, 
isn't it? ;)

> I don't see any particular "significant issues with the image that make
> it a physical impossibility" with it though, apart from the sizes, which
> could be edited.  Specially in the face of HDR photography making photos
> look like CG, like this one with 3 min exposure:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelpixcomau/5452674118/

That one looks real to me.

Now in terms of the OP, the size of the moon in the image is physically 
impossible compared to the size of the sun.  There is no place on the 
Earth that the moon will photograph as that large without some sort of 
photo trickery.  None - absolutely NONE.

There are times the moon *looks* larger than it really is due to 
atmospheric distortions, but never on such a huge scale.

Then there's the position of the crescent itself - as Stephen pointed 
out.  The only place it would orient that way relative to the horizon is 
at the equator, not at the north pole.

Then there's the water, as Warp said, even with global warming, there's 
just far too much water for it to be really at the north pole.

Everything about that image screams "fake" to me.  There's something 
about the way the horizon is lit that doesn't look right to me, either.

Jim


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Real or Render?
Date: 24 May 2011 08:43:11
Message: <4ddba7df$1@news.povray.org>

> Jim Henderson<nos### [at] nospamcom>  wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:14:33 -0400, nemesis wrote:
>>
>>> Warp<war### [at] tagpovrayorg>  wrote:
>>>> nemesis<nam### [at] gmailcom>  wrote:
>>>>> photoshop
>>>>
>>>>    Since when has Terragen been called "photoshop"?
>>>
>>> didn't look like Terragen, just an edited photo.
>>
>> Doesn't look anything like a photo to me, as others pointed out, apart
>> from the sizes being completely wrong no matter where you are in the
>> world, there are other significant issues with the image that make it a
>> physical impossibility.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/northpole.asp
>
> amusing.  You search for "north pole sunset" in both google and flickr and
> several copies of that image come up.
>
> I don't see any particular "significant issues with the image that make it a
> physical impossibility" with it though, apart from the sizes, which could be
> edited.

The Moon's crescent is supposed to be perpendicular to Earth's orbit 
(the contribution of the angle of the Moon's own orbital plane being 
negligible).  If this were real, it would have to be combination of two 
pictures: one picture of the Moon taken near the equator, and one 
picture of the snowy mountains and water taken near the North or South 
pole, for a sufficiently large value of "near".

(Besides, someon else already pointed out the author's massive gallery 
of Terragen-made images)


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