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On 3/15/2017 7:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 14-3-2017 14:35, Stephen wrote:
>> On 3/14/2017 1:06 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's say that mr E's behaviour is closer to chimpanzee's than Mark
>>> Rutte's ;-) Otherwise, yes. Both gain by it. I could make a little bet
>>> about Mr E's international behaviour /after his/ referendum (if he wins
>>> of course).
>>
>> I agree and if I were a betting man I guess he will take Turkey into the
>> Russian sphere of influence.
>>
>
> Which would be an uncomfortable position as a NATO member... but I would
> not be surprised at all.
>
>
They could always join the Partnership for Peace instead.
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Stephen
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On 15-3-2017 9:03, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/15/2017 7:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 14-3-2017 14:35, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 3/14/2017 1:06 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let's say that mr E's behaviour is closer to chimpanzee's than Mark
>>>> Rutte's ;-) Otherwise, yes. Both gain by it. I could make a little bet
>>>> about Mr E's international behaviour /after his/ referendum (if he wins
>>>> of course).
>>>
>>> I agree and if I were a betting man I guess he will take Turkey into the
>>> Russian sphere of influence.
>>>
>>
>> Which would be an uncomfortable position as a NATO member... but I would
>> not be surprised at all.
>>
>>
>
> They could always join the Partnership for Peace instead.
>
That would be a very wise decision indeed.
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Thomas
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On 3/15/2017 12:26 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 15-3-2017 9:03, Stephen wrote:
>> On 3/15/2017 7:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 14-3-2017 14:35, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 3/14/2017 1:06 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's say that mr E's behaviour is closer to chimpanzee's than Mark
>>>>> Rutte's ;-) Otherwise, yes. Both gain by it. I could make a little
>>>>> bet
>>>>> about Mr E's international behaviour /after his/ referendum (if he
>>>>> wins
>>>>> of course).
>>>>
>>>> I agree and if I were a betting man I guess he will take Turkey into
>>>> the
>>>> Russian sphere of influence.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which would be an uncomfortable position as a NATO member... but I would
>>> not be surprised at all.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> They could always join the Partnership for Peace instead.
>>
>
> That would be a very wise decision indeed.
>
Time will tell.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:21:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/13/2017 12:38 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Interesting speech by Nicola Surgeon. I am curious to see what
>> manoeuvring room she will have in the coming months and what the UK
>> will accept or not.
>>
>>
> I'm interested in hearing how Mrs May responds.
"Poorly" I think is probably what is/was likely. ;)
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/16/2017 5:16 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:21:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 3/13/2017 12:38 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> Interesting speech by Nicola Surgeon. I am curious to see what
>>> manoeuvring room she will have in the coming months and what the UK
>>> will accept or not.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm interested in hearing how Mrs May responds.
>
> "Poorly" I think is probably what is/was likely. ;)
>
> Jim
>
It didn't matter what she did she would be in the wrong anyway. But the
way it has been handled could have been better.
I hope she never sits with her back to the door.
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Stephen
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:46:49 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 5:16 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:21:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/13/2017 12:38 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> Interesting speech by Nicola Surgeon. I am curious to see what
>>>> manoeuvring room she will have in the coming months and what the UK
>>>> will accept or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm interested in hearing how Mrs May responds.
>>
>> "Poorly" I think is probably what is/was likely. ;)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
> It didn't matter what she did she would be in the wrong anyway. But the
> way it has been handled could have been better.
> I hope she never sits with her back to the door.
That's all certainly true.
Sturgeon has handled this very well - announcing from Holyrood was a
smart move. Says she's speaking not for the SNP, but for all of Scotland
(as is appropriate).
I keep thinking that it would be fun if ASA got involved, charges of
"false advertising" about the last referendum against the 'remain' camp.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/16/2017 7:51 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:46:49 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 3/16/2017 5:16 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:21:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/13/2017 12:38 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>> Interesting speech by Nicola Surgeon. I am curious to see what
>>>>> manoeuvring room she will have in the coming months and what the UK
>>>>> will accept or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in hearing how Mrs May responds.
>>>
>>> "Poorly" I think is probably what is/was likely. ;)
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>> It didn't matter what she did she would be in the wrong anyway. But the
>> way it has been handled could have been better.
>> I hope she never sits with her back to the door.
>
> That's all certainly true.
>
> Sturgeon has handled this very well - announcing from Holyrood was a
> smart move. Says she's speaking not for the SNP, but for all of Scotland
> (as is appropriate).
>
Not a lot else she could do if she wanted to keep Scotland in the EU.
Waiting to see the result of of the negotiations would mean that the
whole of the UK would be out. Then if they got their independence they
would have to apply like any new state wanting in. But I agree she is
astute.
> I keep thinking that it would be fun if ASA got involved, charges of
> "false advertising" about the last referendum against the 'remain' camp.
>
Too horrible to think about. All parties were proponents of the big lie.
Talk about a can of worms*
We have an ongoing scandal at the moment. During our election campaigns
the is a limit that parties can spend and their expenses have to be
submitted to the Electoral Commission. During the last by-election a
Tory candidate had omitted expenses paid by the central party and is
being investigated by the police. Today it was announced that the Tory
party were fined £70,000 (a record) for doing the same thing during the
last two elections and 13 police forces have submitted reports to the
Dept. of Public Prosecutions. Small beer by American standard, I know.
* What is worse than opening a can of worms?
I'll tell you. Opening a bag of maggots.
When I worked offshore a friend had a fishing shop. Just before he went
offshore, one trip. He had bought a couple of boxes of fluorescent
maggots to use and sell as bait. On the journey home he had a small bump
in his car and one of the boxes split. So he swept them up and forgot
about about it. Until his wife phoned him to say that hundreds had
hatched in the car and turned into blue bottle flies. She was not pleased.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:31:34 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 7:51 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:46:49 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/16/2017 5:16 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:21:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/13/2017 12:38 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting speech by Nicola Surgeon. I am curious to see what
>>>>>> manoeuvring room she will have in the coming months and what the UK
>>>>>> will accept or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm interested in hearing how Mrs May responds.
>>>>
>>>> "Poorly" I think is probably what is/was likely. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It didn't matter what she did she would be in the wrong anyway. But
>>> the way it has been handled could have been better.
>>> I hope she never sits with her back to the door.
>>
>> That's all certainly true.
>>
>> Sturgeon has handled this very well - announcing from Holyrood was a
>> smart move. Says she's speaking not for the SNP, but for all of
>> Scotland (as is appropriate).
>>
> Not a lot else she could do if she wanted to keep Scotland in the EU.
> Waiting to see the result of of the negotiations would mean that the
> whole of the UK would be out. Then if they got their independence they
> would have to apply like any new state wanting in. But I agree she is
> astute.
Yep. She really had to, but I think she did a great job of getting
things lined up so she could say "we tried everything, and this is quite
literally the only option we have left".
>> I keep thinking that it would be fun if ASA got involved, charges of
>> "false advertising" about the last referendum against the 'remain'
>> camp.
>>
>>
> Too horrible to think about. All parties were proponents of the big lie.
> Talk about a can of worms*
Indeed.
> We have an ongoing scandal at the moment. During our election campaigns
> the is a limit that parties can spend and their expenses have to be
> submitted to the Electoral Commission. During the last by-election a
> Tory candidate had omitted expenses paid by the central party and is
> being investigated by the police. Today it was announced that the Tory
> party were fined £70,000 (a record) for doing the same thing during the
> last two elections and 13 police forces have submitted reports to the
> Dept. of Public Prosecutions. Small beer by American standard, I know.
Just goes to show - never get into a pissing match with the US when it
comes to politics. We'll always come back and say "here, hold my beer"
and do something more stupid.
The UK had Brexit, but we had a Trump card.
> * What is worse than opening a can of worms?
> I'll tell you. Opening a bag of maggots.
> When I worked offshore a friend had a fishing shop. Just before he went
> offshore, one trip. He had bought a couple of boxes of fluorescent
> maggots to use and sell as bait. On the journey home he had a small bump
> in his car and one of the boxes split. So he swept them up and forgot
> about about it. Until his wife phoned him to say that hundreds had
> hatched in the car and turned into blue bottle flies. She was not
> pleased.
Eww.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/16/2017 9:58 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:31:34 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Not a lot else she could do if she wanted to keep Scotland in the EU.
>> Waiting to see the result of of the negotiations would mean that the
>> whole of the UK would be out. Then if they got their independence they
>> would have to apply like any new state wanting in. But I agree she is
>> astute.
>
> Yep. She really had to, but I think she did a great job of getting
> things lined up so she could say "we tried everything, and this is quite
> literally the only option we have left".
>
She did that. She is no one's fool.
>>> I keep thinking that it would be fun if ASA got involved, charges of
>>> "false advertising" about the last referendum against the 'remain'
>>> camp.
>>>
>>>
>> Too horrible to think about. All parties were proponents of the big lie.
>> Talk about a can of worms*
>
> Indeed.
>
I cannot believe how stupid people can be.
>> We have an ongoing scandal at the moment. During our election campaigns
>> the is a limit that parties can spend and their expenses have to be
>> submitted to the Electoral Commission. During the last by-election a
>> Tory candidate had omitted expenses paid by the central party and is
>> being investigated by the police. Today it was announced that the Tory
>> party were fined £70,000 (a record) for doing the same thing during the
>> last two elections and 13 police forces have submitted reports to the
>> Dept. of Public Prosecutions. Small beer by American standard, I know.
>
> Just goes to show - never get into a pissing match with the US when it
> comes to politics. We'll always come back and say "here, hold my beer"
> and do something more stupid.
>
Don't you mean: "Here hold my... Oh! my F'n nose" :P
BTW You don't give a Glaswegian your weapon. ;)
> The UK had Brexit, but we had a Trump card.
>
And you're welcome to it.
>> * What is worse than opening a can of worms?
>> I'll tell you. Opening a bag of maggots.
>> When I worked offshore a friend had a fishing shop. Just before he went
>> offshore, one trip. He had bought a couple of boxes of fluorescent
>> maggots to use and sell as bait. On the journey home he had a small bump
>> in his car and one of the boxes split. So he swept them up and forgot
>> about about it. Until his wife phoned him to say that hundreds had
>> hatched in the car and turned into blue bottle flies. She was not
>> pleased.
>
> Eww.
>
Euch!
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Stephen
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:42:36 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>> Yep. She really had to, but I think she did a great job of getting
>> things lined up so she could say "we tried everything, and this is
>> quite literally the only option we have left".
>>
> She did that. She is no one's fool.
I wish we had a leader like her. :)
>>> Too horrible to think about. All parties were proponents of the big
>>> lie.
>>> Talk about a can of worms*
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
> I cannot believe how stupid people can be.
Never underestimate the power of people to ignore what's right in front
of their faces. What's more, we all are "stupid" about something -
sometime it's ignorance, or just missing something critical (I had a
student in a class years ago who, for one of the labs, misread the
instructions and used the examples in the book verbatim, rather than
using the example as a guide to create a configuration file. He got
halfway through the lab before he started having problems, and had to go
back and redo it. Challenging thing for an instructor to deal with -
catching him up without making him feel bad about such a mistake in front
of the class (he was sitting in the front row, as I recall).
>> Just goes to show - never get into a pissing match with the US when it
>> comes to politics. We'll always come back and say "here, hold my beer"
>> and do something more stupid.
>>
> Don't you mean: "Here hold my... Oh! my F'n nose" :P BTW You don't give
> a Glaswegian your weapon. ;)
Actually, for us, it usually involves fireworks or guns. 'Murica.
>> The UK had Brexit, but we had a Trump card.
>>
> And you're welcome to it.
Now what did I ever do to you? :P
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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