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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:26:37 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
> I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we had
> the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned that
> into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
Indeed - I was a teen in the 80s, but I feel the same way. I was talking
to someone at a brewery this evening who it turned out grew up not far
from where I did in Minnesota at about the same time - remembering that
during the non-winter months, we might have ridden our bikes to school,
even though it was *gasp* a couple miles away. Today, parents are
sometimes accused of *child abuse* for allowing their kids that kind of
freedom.
It's fucking stupid.
How do we expect our kids to be sane in today's world if they aren't
allowed to take risks and if they aren't allowed to fail? I fear for an
entire generation of people who are given "achievement awards" that are
really "participation awards" because everyone has to feel like a winner
- and then they get their first job, fuck up *really badly* and get fired
for it. How do you cope with something like that if you never learned as
a kid how to?
Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a bunch
of people - probably before shooting themselves.
It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone needs
to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a great
teacher.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:28:03 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
> fantastic lying narcissist
Well, let's be honest here; Trump sucks at lying. People just don't give
a shit.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:10:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/17/2017 2:40 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:
>>
>>> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.
>>
>> That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for Jim
>> ;)
>>
>>
> Oh! I don't know. Jim Henderson moves silently and swiftly and dresses
> in blue.
Actually, mostly in black. It's that ninja thing. The slightly
overweight ninja.
Though arguably, blue is a good colour on me. So I'm told. ;)
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/19/2017 6:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:10:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 3/17/2017 2:40 PM, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:
>>>
>>>> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.
>>>
>>> That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for Jim
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>> Oh! I don't know. Jim Henderson moves silently and swiftly and dresses
>> in blue.
>
> Actually, mostly in black. It's that ninja thing. The slightly
> overweight ninja.
>
Hollywood myth. Black is the colour of stagehands in Noh theatre. It is
a convention that you do not see anyone dressed in black.
> Though arguably, blue is a good colour on me. So I'm told. ;)
>
Probably set off by your blue blood. ;
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 3/19/2017 6:00 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:26:37 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>
>> I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we had
>> the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned that
>> into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
>
> Indeed - I was a teen in the 80s, but I feel the same way. I was talking
> to someone at a brewery this evening who it turned out grew up not far
> from where I did in Minnesota at about the same time - remembering that
> during the non-winter months, we might have ridden our bikes to school,
> even though it was *gasp* a couple miles away. Today, parents are
> sometimes accused of *child abuse* for allowing their kids that kind of
> freedom.
>
> It's fucking stupid.
>
It's not just stupid it is unkind. For the reasons you mention.
I used to walk the two miles to school when the weather permitted.
Otherwise I had to take two buses which took as long as walking. The
upside was that I would have saved half a crown, 2/6 or or 12·5p.
> How do we expect our kids to be sane in today's world if they aren't
> allowed to take risks and if they aren't allowed to fail? I fear for an
> entire generation of people who are given "achievement awards" that are
> really "participation awards" because everyone has to feel like a winner
> - and then they get their first job, fuck up *really badly* and get fired
> for it. How do you cope with something like that if you never learned as
> a kid how to?
>
I agree with that too.
Life is no bed of roses.
> Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a bunch
> of people - probably before shooting themselves.
>
If only they would do the latter first. O lot of problems would be non
events. It is the same with some fathers who kill their own family
before killing themselves.
> It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone needs
> to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a great
> teacher.
>
Can you imagine the hoo ha if that were to be introduced into school
syllabuses?
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 3/19/2017 2:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:28:03 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>
>> fantastic lying narcissist
>
> Well, let's be honest here; Trump sucks at lying. People just don't give
> a shit.
>
>
>
More than that. The Republican party is putting a lot of effort in
actively shielding him. He will never face any consequences for his
lying as long as they are protecting him like they are doing.
Mike
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On 3/19/2017 1:55 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I kinda agree. Cultural appropriation is something to be aware of, but
> the 'melting pot' that is the US means that we blend stuff together - and
> as Bill Maher pointed out a few weeks ago, we need to stop apologizing on
> the left for 'stupid shit'. I don't always agree with Maher, and he gets
> a lot of things wrong (such as his stance on the first amendment - it's
> colored by being pushed off the air with "Politically Incorrect" after
> people boycotted advertisers - he doesn't understand that the boycott
> *was* a first amendment expression relating to freedom of association.
> The first amendment doesn't give him the right to an audience or the
> right to a TV show - or the right to social consequences for saying
> things people don't like), but I do like that he says what he wants to
> say, and doesn't care what people think. Sometimes he's a schmuck when
> he does that. A lot of times he's not.
>
I think you're confusing "right" with "entitlement". He certainly has a
_right_ to an audience, TV show, etc. etc. But he's not _entitled_ to
have one.
Mike
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 08:10:04 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 6:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:10:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/17/2017 2:40 PM, clipka wrote:
>>>> Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:
>>>>
>>>>> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.
>>>>
>>>> That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for
>>>> Jim ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh! I don't know. Jim Henderson moves silently and swiftly and dresses
>>> in blue.
>>
>> Actually, mostly in black. It's that ninja thing. The slightly
>> overweight ninja.
>>
>>
> Hollywood myth. Black is the colour of stagehands in Noh theatre. It is
> a convention that you do not see anyone dressed in black.
You're not supposed to tell people that - that's a secret, like it
doesn't *really* rain all the time in Seattle...
Whoops.
>> Though arguably, blue is a good colour on me. So I'm told. ;)
>>
>>
> Probably set off by your blue blood. ;
My eyes, actually. ;)
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 08:29:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 6:00 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:26:37 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>>
>>> I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we
>>> had the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned
>>> that into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
>>
>> Indeed - I was a teen in the 80s, but I feel the same way. I was
>> talking to someone at a brewery this evening who it turned out grew up
>> not far from where I did in Minnesota at about the same time -
>> remembering that during the non-winter months, we might have ridden our
>> bikes to school, even though it was *gasp* a couple miles away. Today,
>> parents are sometimes accused of *child abuse* for allowing their kids
>> that kind of freedom.
>>
>> It's fucking stupid.
>>
>>
> It's not just stupid it is unkind. For the reasons you mention.
Yep. I might have strong opinions about this subject.
> I used to walk the two miles to school when the weather permitted.
> Otherwise I had to take two buses which took as long as walking. The
> upside was that I would have saved half a crown, 2/6 or or 12·5p.
For me in high school, it was about a half mile to get to the bus, which
then took me about 4 miles to the school. I'd occasionally walk it or
bike it (the latter rarely), but in the winter, my dad would drive me to
the bus stop - it got extremely cold where I grew up.
>> How do we expect our kids to be sane in today's world if they aren't
>> allowed to take risks and if they aren't allowed to fail? I fear for
>> an entire generation of people who are given "achievement awards" that
>> are really "participation awards" because everyone has to feel like a
>> winner - and then they get their first job, fuck up *really badly* and
>> get fired for it. How do you cope with something like that if you
>> never learned as a kid how to?
>>
>>
> I agree with that too.
> Life is no bed of roses.
Indeed.
>> Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a bunch
>> of people - probably before shooting themselves.
>>
>>
> If only they would do the latter first. O lot of problems would be non
> events. It is the same with some fathers who kill their own family
> before killing themselves.
Part of me agrees, but part of me thinks that it's not their fault they
were never taught how to cope with life. At the same time, I know people
who are the product of that kind of upbringing who recognize how screwed
up it was and have worked hard to overcome it. Everyone copes
differently - it's when harming others comes into it that things get ugly
and messy.
>> It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone
>> needs to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a
>> great teacher.
>>
> Can you imagine the hoo ha if that were to be introduced into school
> syllabuses?
I can. When I interview people, I ask questions I know they can't answer
(I'll withhold key information, typically) because how you respond to
that kind of situation is really important to being successful.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:53:00 -0400, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 2:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:28:03 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>>
>>> fantastic lying narcissist
>>
>> Well, let's be honest here; Trump sucks at lying. People just don't
>> give a shit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> More than that. The Republican party is putting a lot of effort in
> actively shielding him. He will never face any consequences for his
> lying as long as they are protecting him like they are doing.
I fear you may be correct about this.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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