Le 2016-08-16 03:58, scott a écrit :
> Continuing on from Andy's experience of interviewing graduates for
> programming jobs, exactly the same thing happens with engineering
> graduates - they can't actually do any engineering (or maybe I'm
> expecting too much of them).
>
> Here's an example problem we ask:
>
> You are given a bucket of water (fixed to the ground) and an open-ended
> flexible pipe leading off into a "black box". All you know about the
> black box is that it may allow some flow into it, at a variable,
> unpredictable rate.
>
> Design a system to take the water from the bucket, and supply it into
> the pipe at a constant pressure (not a ridiculous pressure, just
> something like the pressure you would have in your water pipes at home,
> maybe 3 bar?).
>
> Maybe I just hang about too many engineers, but to me even a
> non-engineer would be able to have at least a stab at some ideas for
> solving it.
>
1. drink water with hose.
2. wait about 1/2 hour.
3. stand next to black box.
4. [REDACTED]

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> 1. drink water with hose.
> 2. wait about 1/2 hour.
> 3. stand next to black box.
> 4. [REDACTED]

But would you be able to sustain 3 bar pressure?

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Le 16/08/2016 à 17:15, scott a écrit :
>> 1. drink water with hose.
>> 2. wait about 1/2 hour.
>> 3. stand next to black box.
>> 4. [REDACTED]
> 
> But would you be able to sustain 3 bar pressure?
> 
> 
> 
Yes he could, diving at 20 meters under the water surface on earth. The pressure in
his blader would be a bit above 3 bar when urged to pee, thanks the surrounding
muscles.

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Le 16/08/2016 à 14:26, Stephen a écrit :
> 
>>>
>> But nobody checked if it was to be installed on the moon, or on mars...
>>
> 
> If it is not in the spec then it will cost extra. Probably best to leave it to phase
2.

Customer: Of course it always was. You didn't ask, your fault. No extra.

Extra only works when the customer is the government, where it is automatic for big
critical projects.
(Answer to quote was X, but if the final cost is less than 4 X, then something was
wrong in the process)

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>>> 1. drink water with hose.
>>> 2. wait about 1/2 hour.
>>> 3. stand next to black box.
>>> 4. [REDACTED]
>>
>> But would you be able to sustain 3 bar pressure?
>>
>>
>>
> Yes he could, diving at 20 meters under the water surface on earth. The pressure in
his blader would be a bit above 3 bar when urged to pee, thanks the surrounding
muscles.

Now there's a good answer.

Forget about the bucket.

Just submerge the black box (and pipe) underwater.

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On 8/16/2016 4:15 PM, scott wrote:
>> 1. drink water with hose.
>> 2. wait about 1/2 hour.
>> 3. stand next to black box.
>> 4. [REDACTED]
>
> But would you be able to sustain 3 bar pressure?
>
>
>

That's where my 100 foot hole comes in. :)

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     Stephen

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On 8/16/2016 4:31 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 16/08/2016 à 14:26, Stephen a écrit :
>>
>>>>
>>> But nobody checked if it was to be installed on the moon, or on mars...
>>>
>>
>> If it is not in the spec then it will cost extra. Probably best to leave it to
phase 2.
>
> Customer: Of course it always was. You didn't ask, your fault. No extra.
>

If it is not in the Blueprint, that you signed, it is extra.

> Extra only works when the customer is the government, where it is automatic for big
critical projects.
> (Answer to quote was X, but if the final cost is less than 4 X, then something was
wrong in the process)
>

But on the other hand the money is distributed elsewhere and it is your 
budget that is frozen. To keep overall costs down.

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Regards
     Stephen

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Le 16/08/2016 à 17:40, Stephen a écrit :
> On 8/16/2016 4:31 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>> Le 16/08/2016 à 14:26, Stephen a écrit :
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> But nobody checked if it was to be installed on the moon, or on mars...
>>>>
>>>
>>> If it is not in the spec then it will cost extra. Probably best to leave it to
phase 2.
>>
>> Customer: Of course it always was. You didn't ask, your fault. No extra.
>>
> 
> If it is not in the Blueprint, that you signed, it is extra.

The delivery time-chart  was signed by the committee on the second weekly meeting.
Promising the signature of the specification by T0+1 month... but they keep debating
on the content at every weekly meeting, rolling back some previous decisions, or
amending them just a bit. Whatever, it was stated that the full delivery of project
(phase 5) was due on
T0+12 months, so you must deliver or won't get paid for that part.
That the specifications for phase 5 are still unsigned is another issue. YOU MUST
DELIVER, and IT MUST SUCCEED THE TESTS which will be finalized AFTER your delivery.

And the day before you deliver, the committee agree that the new standard published
two days ago must be part of the next delivery.

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On 8/16/2016 6:08 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 16/08/2016 à 17:40, Stephen a écrit :
>> On 8/16/2016 4:31 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>>> Le 16/08/2016 à 14:26, Stephen a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> But nobody checked if it was to be installed on the moon, or on mars...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it is not in the spec then it will cost extra. Probably best to leave it to
phase 2.
>>>
>>> Customer: Of course it always was. You didn't ask, your fault. No extra.
>>>
>>
>> If it is not in the Blueprint, that you signed, it is extra.
>
> The delivery time-chart  was signed by the committee on the second weekly meeting.
> Promising the signature of the specification by T0+1 month... but they keep debating
on the content at every weekly meeting, rolling back some previous decisions, or
amending them just a bit. Whatever, it was stated that the full delivery of project
(phase 5) was due on
> T0+12 months, so you must deliver or won't get paid for that part.
> That the specifications for phase 5 are still unsigned is another issue. YOU MUST
DELIVER, and IT MUST SUCCEED THE TESTS which will be finalized AFTER your delivery.
>

Yawn! You forget. I am a contractor.
I am not doing it until a signature.



> And the day before you deliver, the committee agree that the new standard published
two days ago must be part of the next delivery.
>

Not my problem comrade. :-P

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     Stephen

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Am 16.08.2016 um 17:15 schrieb scott:
>> 1. drink water with hose.
>> 2. wait about 1/2 hour.
>> 3. stand next to black box.
>> 4. [REDACTED]
> 
> But would you be able to sustain 3 bar pressure?

Pro Tip: Do not try this at home. Turns out kidneys don't like high
pressure in the urinary tract too much. A relative has just recently
lost one of his to this phenomenon.

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