I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's 
about time

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935

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James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's
> about time
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935

Personally, I find this annoying as hell.  I use youtube.  I visit sites that
have embedded video.  Very few of them use HTML5, and as yet, nobody has come up
with an alternative that works.

And considering that my windows machine is out of service until I can get a new
keyboard, Linux is all I have.  I have plugins for firefox that disable flash
content anyway; I don't need firefox making decisions for me.

It's almost as annoying as trying to convince M$ that I own my computer, not
them, and I - and only I - will decide when things are installed/updated.

Regards,
A.D.B.

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On 07/14/2015 06:51 PM, Anthony D. Baye wrote:
> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>> I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's
>> about time
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935
>
> Personally, I find this annoying as hell.  I use youtube.  I visit sites that
> have embedded video.  Very few of them use HTML5, and as yet, nobody has come up
> with an alternative that works.

there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work 
fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though 
that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now perhaps 
mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps the most 
insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to bbc's new look 
a few months ago included a rant about flash content ... javascript is a 
close second.

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On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:03:45 -0400, James Holsenback wrote:

> On 07/14/2015 06:51 PM, Anthony D. Baye wrote:
>> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>>> I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's
>>> about time
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935
>>
>> Personally, I find this annoying as hell.  I use youtube.  I visit
>> sites that have embedded video.  Very few of them use HTML5, and as
>> yet, nobody has come up with an alternative that works.
> 
> there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work
> fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though
> that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now perhaps
> mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps the most
> insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to bbc's new look
> a few months ago included a rant about flash content ... javascript is a
> close second.

??? Youtube supports HTML5....

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On 07/14/2015 07:38 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:03:45 -0400, James Holsenback wrote:
>
>> On 07/14/2015 06:51 PM, Anthony D. Baye wrote:
>>> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>>>> I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's
>>>> about time
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935
>>>
>>> Personally, I find this annoying as hell.  I use youtube.  I visit
>>> sites that have embedded video.  Very few of them use HTML5, and as
>>> yet, nobody has come up with an alternative that works.
>>
>> there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work
>> fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though
>> that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now perhaps
>> mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps the most
>> insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to bbc's new look
>> a few months ago included a rant about flash content ... javascript is a
>> close second.
>
> ??? Youtube supports HTML5....

yep

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On 07/14/2015 08:07 PM, James Holsenback wrote:
> On 07/14/2015 07:38 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:03:45 -0400, James Holsenback wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/14/2015 06:51 PM, Anthony D. Baye wrote:
>>>> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>>>>> I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's
>>>>> about time
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I find this annoying as hell.  I use youtube.  I visit
>>>> sites that have embedded video.  Very few of them use HTML5, and as
>>>> yet, nobody has come up with an alternative that works.
>>>
>>> there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work
>>> fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though
>>> that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now perhaps
>>> mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps the most
>>> insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to bbc's new look
>>> a few months ago included a rant about flash content ... javascript is a
>>> close second.
>>
>> ??? Youtube supports HTML5....
>
> yep
>
in firefox .... tools->add-ons and search for "flash to html5" i've been 
using YouTube HTML5-Video 0.7.1.1-signed

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:03:45 -0400, James Holsenback wrote:
>
> > On 07/14/2015 06:51 PM, Anthony D. Baye wrote:
> >> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> >>> I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's
> >>> about time
> >>>
> >>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935
> >>
> >> Personally, I find this annoying as hell.  I use youtube.  I visit
> >> sites that have embedded video.  Very few of them use HTML5, and as
> >> yet, nobody has come up with an alternative that works.
> >
> > there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work
> > fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though
> > that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now perhaps
> > mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps the most
> > insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to bbc's new look
> > a few months ago included a rant about flash content ... javascript is a
> > close second.
>
> ??? Youtube supports HTML5....
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> --
> "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
> besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

Only on a very small selection of videos, last I tried it. It was extremely
buggy and about half of the videos I tried to watch simply wouldn't load.

A.D.B.

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On 07/14/2015 09:43 PM, Anthony D. Baye wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:03:45 -0400, James Holsenback wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/14/2015 06:51 PM, Anthony D. Baye wrote:
>>>> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>>>>> I've been staying away from flash for quite sometime now ... so it's
>>>>> about time
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33520935
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I find this annoying as hell.  I use youtube.  I visit
>>>> sites that have embedded video.  Very few of them use HTML5, and as
>>>> yet, nobody has come up with an alternative that works.
>>>
>>> there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work
>>> fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though
>>> that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now perhaps
>>> mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps the most
>>> insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to bbc's new look
>>> a few months ago included a rant about flash content ... javascript is a
>>> close second.
>>
>> ??? Youtube supports HTML5....
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
>> besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
>
> Only on a very small selection of videos, last I tried it. It was extremely
> buggy and about half of the videos I tried to watch simply wouldn't load.

no such problems for me ... smoothly plays any video's that i've tried

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On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:03:45 +0200, James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom>  
wrote:

> there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work  
> fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though  
> that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now perhaps  
> mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps the most  
> insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to bbc's new look  
> a few months ago included a rant about flash content ... javascript is a  
> close second.
>

Flash used to be a problem for SEO, I'm not sure if it still is, so I  
welcome HTML5 with open arms :)

Concerning Javascript, I wonder if JS is needed for responsive webpages to  
resize according to screen size. You actually need that for Cellphones and  
all the different screen sizes you get now.

-- 
-Nekar Xenos-

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Le 15/07/2015 05:36, Nekar Xenos a écrit :
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:03:45 +0200, James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom>
> wrote:
>
>> there's a couple of flash to html5 plugins for firefox and that work
>> fine (I visit youtube often and they work well) ... true enough though
>> that there are plenty of sites that haven't seen the light. now
>> perhaps mozilla's strong arming will prompt a move away from perhaps
>> the most insecure piece of software on the planet. my comments to
>> bbc's new look a few months ago included a rant about flash content
>> ... javascript is a close second.
>>
>
> Flash used to be a problem for SEO, I'm not sure if it still is, so I
> welcome HTML5 with open arms :)
>
> Concerning Javascript, I wonder if JS is needed for responsive webpages
> to resize according to screen size. You actually need that for
> Cellphones and all the different screen sizes you get now.
>

screen size (layout based on screen size) can now just be done with 
modern css, no need for JS for that (unless you need back compatibility 
with IE... )

JS is used, IIRC, for "infinity scroll" pages... to pull the lower from 
the server as you go down.

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