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Don't know. Maybe they did something saner in "newer" version but.. Lets
compare.
Daz3D - download the free download manager and get.. free Daz3D, then
the manager tracks all purchases and installs them as well, as you buy
the bloody things.
Poser 9 - Where to start..
1. poser.com has no "account" login. See, their "content" is handled by
another site, and the main page is "only" a snazzy advert, with some
links, which will eventually get you to the right place, if you are
looking for, say, an upgrade patch.
2. Files.. are zip archives. Yeah, they are actually exes, but they are
all crammed into zips. WTF?
3. These all have to be, individually, unpacked to a single location,
then the installer run, to actually, well.. install.
4. Downloads are "time limited", so.. if you, say, had a massive hard
drive crash, like I did, you can't redownload the damn things.
5. Trying to use a "trial" install may, or may not, get you recharged
for it (I never could get a straight answer from them on whether it was
actually going to do that, or if the new key issues would just.. work,
since it seemed to be providing me with links to the "full install", and
showed $0 for the cost, go figure..). But, then.. you still have to
figure out how the frak to get to their content site, to download the
right files to do the full install, which is.. non-obvious.
Should have, I think, just given up. lol
--
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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Am 19.12.2014 um 17:03 schrieb Patrick Elliott:
> Don't know. Maybe they did something saner in "newer" version but.. Lets
> compare.
>
> Daz3D - download the free download manager and get.. free Daz3D, then
> the manager tracks all purchases and installs them as well, as you buy
> the bloody things.
Love that, too. Unfortunately it only works with stuff bought on Daz3D,
though technically Poser-compatible stuff from, say, Renderosity can
also be used in Daz3D. With Poser, on the other hand, everything is
equally cumbersome to install.
The thing is, SmithMicro is apparently making most of their money by
selling the Poser software, and they know that content-wise they have
tremendous allies in 3rd party shops, so they have no interest in
keeping their user base limited to the SmithMicro shop. Daz3D on the
other hand is obviously making most of their money by selling content,
so they have great interest in binding customers to /their/ shop alone,
which they do by making /their/ stuff install like a charm; and as far
as I'm concerned, this strategy works perfectly.
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On 20/12/14 16:39, clipka wrote:
> Daz3D on the
> other hand is obviously making most of their money by selling content,
> so they have great interest in binding customers to /their/ shop alone,
> which they do by making /their/ stuff install like a charm; and as far
> as I'm concerned, this strategy works perfectly.
>
Which reminds me of the strategy used by Bill Gate$' company. It works,
no complaints from me (unusually ;-) )
John
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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On 12/20/2014 9:39 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 19.12.2014 um 17:03 schrieb Patrick Elliott:
>> Don't know. Maybe they did something saner in "newer" version but.. Lets
>> compare.
>>
>> Daz3D - download the free download manager and get.. free Daz3D, then
>> the manager tracks all purchases and installs them as well, as you buy
>> the bloody things.
>
> Love that, too. Unfortunately it only works with stuff bought on Daz3D,
> though technically Poser-compatible stuff from, say, Renderosity can
> also be used in Daz3D. With Poser, on the other hand, everything is
> equally cumbersome to install.
>
> The thing is, SmithMicro is apparently making most of their money by
> selling the Poser software, and they know that content-wise they have
> tremendous allies in 3rd party shops, so they have no interest in
> keeping their user base limited to the SmithMicro shop. Daz3D on the
> other hand is obviously making most of their money by selling content,
> so they have great interest in binding customers to /their/ shop alone,
> which they do by making /their/ stuff install like a charm; and as far
> as I'm concerned, this strategy works perfectly.
>
Except, in this case, they have pissed me off enough, since just
installing their bloody program is such a pain, never mind something
else, that I don't plan to buy any newer version. So.. yeah, real
winning strategy there. At least, as Doctor John comments about
Microsoft, *they* had people by the balls, since there just wasn't any
other option but Windows, mostly. Smith Micro doesn't even have the lint
from people's underwear to grab hold of.
--
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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Am 21.12.2014 um 05:21 schrieb Patrick Elliott:
>> The thing is, SmithMicro is apparently making most of their money by
>> selling the Poser software, and they know that content-wise they have
>> tremendous allies in 3rd party shops, so they have no interest in
>> keeping their user base limited to the SmithMicro shop. Daz3D on the
>> other hand is obviously making most of their money by selling content,
>> so they have great interest in binding customers to /their/ shop alone,
>> which they do by making /their/ stuff install like a charm; and as far
>> as I'm concerned, this strategy works perfectly.
>>
> Except, in this case, they have pissed me off enough, since just
> installing their bloody program is such a pain, never mind something
> else, that I don't plan to buy any newer version. So.. yeah, real
> winning strategy there. At least, as Doctor John comments about
> Microsoft, *they* had people by the balls, since there just wasn't any
> other option but Windows, mostly. Smith Micro doesn't even have the lint
> from people's underwear to grab hold of.
They've lost me to Daz3D quite a while ago already. For me the thing
was, in the end I'd buy 3rd party content anyway, so why buy a new piece
of software every few years when I can get the competitor's product for
free.
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On 21-12-2014 8:39, clipka wrote:
> Am 21.12.2014 um 05:21 schrieb Patrick Elliott:
>
>>> The thing is, SmithMicro is apparently making most of their money by
>>> selling the Poser software, and they know that content-wise they have
>>> tremendous allies in 3rd party shops, so they have no interest in
>>> keeping their user base limited to the SmithMicro shop. Daz3D on the
>>> other hand is obviously making most of their money by selling content,
>>> so they have great interest in binding customers to /their/ shop alone,
>>> which they do by making /their/ stuff install like a charm; and as far
>>> as I'm concerned, this strategy works perfectly.
>>>
>> Except, in this case, they have pissed me off enough, since just
>> installing their bloody program is such a pain, never mind something
>> else, that I don't plan to buy any newer version. So.. yeah, real
>> winning strategy there. At least, as Doctor John comments about
>> Microsoft, *they* had people by the balls, since there just wasn't any
>> other option but Windows, mostly. Smith Micro doesn't even have the lint
>> from people's underwear to grab hold of.
>
> They've lost me to Daz3D quite a while ago already. For me the thing
> was, in the end I'd buy 3rd party content anyway, so why buy a new piece
> of software every few years when I can get the competitor's product for
> free.
>
Just for good measure, and to give another view, I never had problems
installing Poser although I agree it is not of the most comprehensive.
And as I almost never buy third party things, Daz3D is out for me. And
for the fact that it feels pretty basic to me and cannot do several of
the things I want Poser to do, like self-made dynamic clothes for
instance, which is sooo easy in Poser.
Patrick, you complained about time limited downloads, you can remedy
that by backing up your installation files. Re-installing is no problem
then and the key (if you kept it safe too) will work without complain.
However, maybe I misunderstood.
Thomas
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On 21/12/2014 08:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Just for good measure, and to give another view, I never had problems
> installing Poser although I agree it is not of the most comprehensive.
> And as I almost never buy third party things, Daz3D is out for me. And
> for the fact that it feels pretty basic to me and cannot do several of
> the things I want Poser to do, like self-made dynamic clothes for
> instance, which is sooo easy in Poser.
>
I agree with you. I think that the dynamic clothing is worth the cost.
Although having said that. I have never paid the full price. I started
off with a free version then upgraded when the exchange rate was favourable.
> Patrick, you complained about time limited downloads, you can remedy
> that by backing up your installation files. Re-installing is no problem
> then and the key (if you kept it safe too) will work without complain.
> However, maybe I misunderstood.
That is how I installed Poser on my new PC.
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Regards
Stephen
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On 12/21/2014 1:25 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 21-12-2014 8:39, clipka wrote:
>> Am 21.12.2014 um 05:21 schrieb Patrick Elliott:
>>
>>>> The thing is, SmithMicro is apparently making most of their money by
>>>> selling the Poser software, and they know that content-wise they have
>>>> tremendous allies in 3rd party shops, so they have no interest in
>>>> keeping their user base limited to the SmithMicro shop. Daz3D on the
>>>> other hand is obviously making most of their money by selling content,
>>>> so they have great interest in binding customers to /their/ shop alone,
>>>> which they do by making /their/ stuff install like a charm; and as far
>>>> as I'm concerned, this strategy works perfectly.
>>>>
>>> Except, in this case, they have pissed me off enough, since just
>>> installing their bloody program is such a pain, never mind something
>>> else, that I don't plan to buy any newer version. So.. yeah, real
>>> winning strategy there. At least, as Doctor John comments about
>>> Microsoft, *they* had people by the balls, since there just wasn't any
>>> other option but Windows, mostly. Smith Micro doesn't even have the lint
>>> from people's underwear to grab hold of.
>>
>> They've lost me to Daz3D quite a while ago already. For me the thing
>> was, in the end I'd buy 3rd party content anyway, so why buy a new piece
>> of software every few years when I can get the competitor's product for
>> free.
>>
> Just for good measure, and to give another view, I never had problems
> installing Poser although I agree it is not of the most comprehensive.
> And as I almost never buy third party things, Daz3D is out for me. And
> for the fact that it feels pretty basic to me and cannot do several of
> the things I want Poser to do, like self-made dynamic clothes for
> instance, which is sooo easy in Poser.
>
Installing from disk, or their silly downloads? They didn't even provide
like.. a text file, like just about anyone else, which said, "These need
to be unpacked to one place, then run the installer." Its lazy, sloppy,
and annoying.
> Patrick, you complained about time limited downloads, you can remedy
> that by backing up your installation files. Re-installing is no problem
> then and the key (if you kept it safe too) will work without complain.
> However, maybe I misunderstood.
>
Yeah. Then you lose the disk they are on, or **your hard drive crashes**
and takes the downloads with it. Oh, and, again, this means nothing, if
you forgot, from like 2 years ago, when you first installed it, all the
silly BS you had to do to install it.
Why make it even as difficult as they did? I mean, if you give a damn
about your customers? Who gives a frak, for example, if the guy with the
damn password and user name for an account downloads the bloody thing
again? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
--
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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On 22/12/2014 02:34, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Why make it even as difficult as they did? I mean, if you give a damn
> about your customers? Who gives a frak, for example, if the guy with the
> damn password and user name for an account downloads the bloody thing
> again? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
So that they can sell an "extended download period" service.
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Stephen
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On 12/22/2014 12:46 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 22/12/2014 02:34, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Why make it even as difficult as they did? I mean, if you give a damn
>> about your customers? Who gives a frak, for example, if the guy with the
>> damn password and user name for an account downloads the bloody thing
>> again? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> So that they can sell an "extended download period" service.
>
lol Yeah, now it makes sense.. Sort of like if you had a car, and your
options where, 'Rent it.", or, "Get and extended rental service." (i.e.,
buy it) That way they can still repo the damn thing down the road, or
something. Genius!!
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different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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