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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Really?
Date: 1 Sep 2014 14:11:05
Message: <5404b6b9$1@news.povray.org>
http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/phone/numbering/dial-the-code/

Due to telephone number exhaustion, they're asking everybody to upgrade 
to IPv6 - er, I mean, they're changing the numbering plan.

Currently, all area codes start with 0. But that means you cannot assign 
anybody a telephone number that starts with 0, see? So they're making it 
so you always have to dial the area code. That way, we know it's the 
area code because it's at the beginning of the number, not because it 
starts with a 0.

Rather than, say, add new area codes or something, which would only 
affect people assigned these new numbers.

Still, I guess it could be worse...


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 1 Sep 2014 15:48:24
Message: <5404cd88$1@news.povray.org>
On 01/09/2014 20:11, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/phone/numbering/dial-the-code/
> 
> Due to telephone number exhaustion, they're asking everybody to upgrade
> to IPv6 - er, I mean, they're changing the numbering plan.
> 
> Currently, all area codes start with 0. But that means you cannot assign
> anybody a telephone number that starts with 0, see? So they're making it
> so you always have to dial the area code. That way, we know it's the
> area code because it's at the beginning of the number, not because it
> starts with a 0.
> 
> Rather than, say, add new area codes or something, which would only
> affect people assigned these new numbers.
> 
> Still, I guess it could be worse...

So, how many digits in your new number ?

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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 1 Sep 2014 16:19:21
Message: <5404d4c9$1@news.povray.org>
On 01/09/2014 08:48 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> On 01/09/2014 20:11, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/phone/numbering/dial-the-code/
>>
>> Due to telephone number exhaustion, they're asking everybody to upgrade
>> to IPv6 - er, I mean, they're changing the numbering plan.
>>
>> Currently, all area codes start with 0. But that means you cannot assign
>> anybody a telephone number that starts with 0, see? So they're making it
>> so you always have to dial the area code. That way, we know it's the
>> area code because it's at the beginning of the number, not because it
>> starts with a 0.
>>
>> Rather than, say, add new area codes or something, which would only
>> affect people assigned these new numbers.
>>
>> Still, I guess it could be worse...
>
> So, how many digits in your new number ?

It's exactly the same as the old number, except that now you always have 
to dial the area code, rather than only needing to dial it from outside 
the area.

...then again, everybody has mobile phones now, which don't have an 
"area", so...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 2 Sep 2014 03:28:45
Message: <540571ad$1@news.povray.org>
On 1-9-2014 21:48, Le_Forgeron wrote:

> So, how many digits in your new number ?
>

Here we have this system already in place for some years now. All 
numbers have 10 digits, same as mobile numbers by the way.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 2 Sep 2014 04:26:53
Message: <54057f4d$1@news.povray.org>
On 02/09/2014 08:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 1-9-2014 21:48, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>
>> So, how many digits in your new number ?
>>
>
> Here we have this system already in place for some years now. All
> numbers have 10 digits, same as mobile numbers by the way.
>
> Thomas

In the days of local exchanges. We could connect to another phone on it 
by dialling 1234. As the system was modernised the local exchange became 
larger and to phone anyone in it you would dial 567 1237 and to dial 
outside your area 041 567 1234. The post office/BT has tried to keep 
this facility but with more sophisticated networks it is an overhead.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 2 Sep 2014 05:01:08
Message: <54058754$1@news.povray.org>
> Due to telephone number exhaustion, they're asking everybody to upgrade
> to IPv6 - er, I mean, they're changing the numbering plan.

You'd think they could just come up with a system that didn't require a 
"fix" every few years.

> Currently, all area codes start with 0. But that means you cannot assign
> anybody a telephone number that starts with 0, see? So they're making it
> so you always have to dial the area code. That way, we know it's the
> area code because it's at the beginning of the number, not because it
> starts with a 0.

Seems like only a temporary fix.

> Rather than, say, add new area codes or something, which would only
> affect people assigned these new numbers.

Their previous response to exchanges running out of numbers was to move 
them on to 02x area codes with 8 digit phone numbers - but obviously you 
can only have 10 of them, and I guess they are all used now. Maybe they 
need to introduce 7 digit phone numbers with a 0xxx area code for 
medium-large cities. What about 04xx, 05xx, 06xx numbers, are they used 
for anything?


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 2 Sep 2014 07:31:41
Message: <5405aa9d$1@news.povray.org>
On 2-9-2014 10:26, Stephen wrote:

> In the days of local exchanges. We could connect to another phone on it
> by dialling 1234. As the system was modernised the local exchange became
> larger and to phone anyone in it you would dial 567 1237 and to dial
> outside your area 041 567 1234. The post office/BT has tried to keep
> this facility but with more sophisticated networks it is an overhead.

The good old days indeed. I remember those in France when the area code 
was a town name. Ours was Tremblay. You dialled only the first three 
letters which were written on the dial, much as letters are now given on 
cell phones.

Thomas


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 2 Sep 2014 08:09:24
Message: <5405b374$1@news.povray.org>
On 02/09/2014 10:01 AM, scott wrote:
>> Due to telephone number exhaustion, they're asking everybody to upgrade
>> to IPv6 - er, I mean, they're changing the numbering plan.
>
> You'd think they could just come up with a system that didn't require a
> "fix" every few years.

You'd think that with everybody moving to VOIP, demand for actual 
telephone numbers would be *rapidly decreasing*...

> Seems like only a temporary fix.

Well, yeah... but so is IPv6, technically. ;-)

(Has anybody started using that yet? I know a fair few Linux distros 
enable it by default now - and won't tell you how to reliably turn it off!)

> Their previous response to exchanges running out of numbers was to move
> them on to 02x area codes with 8 digit phone numbers - but obviously you
> can only have 10 of them, and I guess they are all used now. Maybe they
> need to introduce 7 digit phone numbers with a 0xxx area code for
> medium-large cities. What about 04xx, 05xx, 06xx numbers, are they used
> for anything?

And to think, the dance school only just replaced their sign with one 
that says 01908 rather than 0908...

Still, at least they're not running out of country codes, eh?


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 2 Sep 2014 08:43:01
Message: <5405bb55$1@news.povray.org>

> http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/phone/numbering/dial-the-code/
>
> Due to telephone number exhaustion, they're asking everybody to upgrade
> to IPv6 - er, I mean, they're changing the numbering plan.
>
> Currently, all area codes start with 0. But that means you cannot assign
> anybody a telephone number that starts with 0, see? So they're making it
> so you always have to dial the area code. That way, we know it's the
> area code because it's at the beginning of the number, not because it
> starts with a 0.
>
> Rather than, say, add new area codes or something, which would only
> affect people assigned these new numbers.

that's the goal.

Now that people always have to dial the 10 digits, you no longer need:

if ( first digit == 0 )
then { expect 10 digits because it's a long-distance call}
else { expect 8 digits because it's a local call}

So you can introduce new area codes that start with any number.

In North America, it used to be that the 2nd digit of the area code had 
to be 0 or 1, and the 2nd digit of the exchange couldn't.  This was 
because the selectors were hard wired to route the call to external 
turnks.

In the mid 90s, when cell phones became popular, they removed that 
restriction since by then, all phone switches were digital and you no 
longer had that hard-wiring restriction.  this allowed them to create 
new area codes that had any digit in the 2nd position, as well as 
assigning local exchanges with 0 or 1 in that position.  Giving north 
America 800 new available area codes, and each area code 20,000 new 
possible numbers.


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 2 Sep 2014 08:46:44
Message: <5405bc34$1@news.povray.org>


QUALITY CONTROL!


>> http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/phone/numbering/dial-the-code/
>>
>> Due to telephone number exhaustion, they're asking everybody to upgrade
>> to IPv6 - er, I mean, they're changing the numbering plan.
>>
>> Currently, all area codes start with 0. But that means you cannot assign
>> anybody a telephone number that starts with 0, see? So they're making it
>> so you always have to dial the area code. That way, we know it's the
>> area code because it's at the beginning of the number, not because it
>> starts with a 0.
>>
>> Rather than, say, add new area codes or something, which would only
>> affect people assigned these new numbers.
>
> that's the goal.
>
> Now that people always have to dial the 10 digits, you no longer need:
>
> if ( first digit == 0 )
> then { expect 10 digits because it's a long-distance call}
> else { expect 8 digits because it's a local call}
>
> So you can introduce new area codes that start with any number.
>
> In North America, it used to be that the 2nd digit of the area code had
> to be 0 or 1, and the 2nd digit of the exchange couldn't.  This was
> because the selectors were hard wired to route the call to external turnks.
                        ^                                              ^^
                        in the phone swith                         trunks

>
> In the mid 90s, when cell phones became popular, they removed that
> restriction since by then, all phone switches were digital and you no
> longer had that hard-wiring restriction.  this allowed them to create
> new area codes that had any digit in the 2nd position, as well as
> assigning local exchanges with 0 or 1 in that position.  Giving north
> America 800 new available area codes, and each area code 20,000 new
                                                            ^^^^^^
                                                           200,000
> possible numbers.
>
>


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