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On 26-7-2014 10:23, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/07/2014 09:13, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 26-7-2014 9:43, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 26/07/2014 08:36, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> And so starts corruption... down the slippery road to hell.
>>>
>>> A bit late for that. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> You had your curry then?
>>
>
> There's nae time for that.
> The Laird wants us up at the Big Hoose.
> So put aside that pie-grater and come along.
>
> (Warp: Even if Thomas does not get the reference. Jim Henderson and Dr
> John, will.)
>
God it! ;-)
Thomas
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On 26/07/14 09:23, Stephen wrote:
>
> There's nae time for that.
> The Laird wants us up at the Big Hoose.
> So put aside that pie-grater and come along.
>
> (Warp: Even if Thomas does not get the reference. Jim Henderson and Dr
> John, will.)
>
:-D
John
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Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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On 26-7-2014 10:23, Stephen wrote:
> There's nae time for that.
> The Laird wants us up at the Big Hoose.
> So put aside that pie-grater and come along.
>
> (Warp: Even if Thomas does not get the reference. Jim Henderson and Dr
> John, will.)
>
Not Robert Burns imho. I go for Walter Scott.
Thomas
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On 26/07/2014 15:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Not Robert Burns imho.
Correct.
> I go for Walter Scott.
Whatever. It is a free world. ;-)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:01:57 -0400, Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>> Well, there are a lot of things that didn't become an issue for the
>> general public, partly because Romney wouldn't really talk about what
>> he believes or what his church practices. I may not have liked him as
>> a candidate or as a person, but I can respect him for saying "that's
>> not what this election is about" and refusing to talk about his faith.
>> If he had been elected, I actually think he would have not had his
>> faith be front and center, because he didn't want it in the spotlight.
>> He considered it to be a very personal thing, and not relevant to his
>> policy choices.
>
> I really have to wonder if he did that honestly, or because he (or his
> advisors) thought that it would be better to not openly discuss his
> beliefs because it would drive voters away...
Oh, he probably was advised not to make it about his religion.
>> But there's still no way I would have voted for him. But I do wish
>> more candidates would say "you know what? My beliefs are not your
>> business, they're mine." - and then left it at that, and let their
>> actions rather than their beliefs (or perceptions about their beliefs)
>> be what they were judged on by the electorate.
>
> That would probably be the best, but then, perhaps people would vote for
> the one candidate who praises God all the time?
It's a question of making beliefs be private or "none" becoming the
norm. That's something that's going to take some time over here.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:56:47 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/07/2014 15:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Not Robert Burns imho.
>
> Correct.
>
>> I go for Walter Scott.
>
> Whatever. It is a free world. ;-)
LOL
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:13:39 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/07/2014 00:31, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:19:55 +0200, clipka wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, reading Stephen's posting more carefully: Maybe no. Germany
>>> /has/ more churches than hospitals, but whether more /new/
>>> churches are being built than hospitals is difficult to tell.
>>
>> Hmm, fair point.
>>
>> I think right now in the Seattle area, though, there aren't any new
>> hospitals being built, but I'd be surprised if there weren't any new
>> churches being built.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
> As you know it was also a metaphor.
> Churches, hospitals. Apples, oranges.
Well, yeah, but it's an interesting question as a non-metaphor.
> Hospitals need to be centralised to share the expensive machinery that
> goes Beep!
> Churches serve smaller communities, except for cathedrals and the like.
>
> Religion is the pillar of a lot of peoples lives. And a big distraction.
> IMO they have their priorities wrong.
Agreed.
I've reached the point of being an atheist with the point of view that
"if there is a supernatural world, and a deity that judges you when you
die, then if that deity's judgment is based not on you being a good
person but based on how much you worshiped the deity without evidence -
well, fuck 'em."
I'd rather be a good person than waste my life worshiping something just
to have a shot at beating Pascal's Wager.
> In the UK the established churches are loosing influence with quite a
> few buildings being de-sanctified and sold off. To become temples to
> those other gods, food and drink. Hospitals are lurching from one crises
> to the next. Almost as if it (NHS) is being decommissioned. And to be
> sold off the the Temple of Mammon.
> Bitter! Moi?
Nah, I'm not seeing you being bitter *at all* about it. ;)
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 09:11:04 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> It is a form of Juju that gives them a righteous feeling.
What's more, it's a form of Juju that gives them power.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:36:01 +0200, clipka wrote:
> Am 26.07.2014 10:28, schrieb Stephen:
>> On 26/07/2014 09:19, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> On 25/07/2014 11:45 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> Go to Google maps and put in (for example) "Hospitals in London,
>>>> United Kingdom", and "Churches in London, United Kingdom".
>>>>
>>>> Compare the number of dots on the map.
>>>
>>> Surely this only indicates that we *have built* more churches than
>>> hospitals, but than we *are building* more churches than hospitals...
>>
>> Don't be beguiled by logic. It is an Aunt Sally (straw man).
>
> Logic and reason is something for scared wimps without Strong Faith(TM).
We just need to believe *harder*. ;)
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Am 27.07.2014 00:40, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:36:01 +0200, clipka wrote:
>
>> Am 26.07.2014 10:28, schrieb Stephen:
>>> On 26/07/2014 09:19, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>>> On 25/07/2014 11:45 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> Go to Google maps and put in (for example) "Hospitals in London,
>>>>> United Kingdom", and "Churches in London, United Kingdom".
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare the number of dots on the map.
>>>>
>>>> Surely this only indicates that we *have built* more churches than
>>>> hospitals, but than we *are building* more churches than hospitals...
>>>
>>> Don't be beguiled by logic. It is an Aunt Sally (straw man).
>>
>> Logic and reason is something for scared wimps without Strong Faith(TM).
>
> We just need to believe *harder*. ;)
I do believe that it's hard to believe... does that suffice? ;-)
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