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On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:09:41 -0400, Francois Labreque wrote:
> If you did raise a stink about it, and the company was forced to hire
> you,
> you'd know that this person would probably never fully trust you and it
> would make the workplace atmosphere very heavy.
The purpose in raising a stink about it isn't so much so they hire you,
but so they know that making hiring decisions in that way is in fact
illegal in the US.
I would never want to take a job with a company that put personal
religious belief before one's ability to do the job. There was a company
in that I considered working for, until I found this on their website:
"[company] started the company with a vision and core values inspired by
their religious beliefs and a desire to honor God by applying Biblical
principles in relation to employees, customers, and financial dealings."
I see that they have now clarified (they didn't at the time, as I recall)
that they don't have a particular religious *requirement*.
I didn't even bother applying. Not because I'm amoral, but because the
religious overtones left a bad impression. It's possible to say that you
expect people to be responsible and ethical (indeed, what company
*doesn't* want that?) without framing it in religious terms.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:38:11 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:09:41 -0400, Francois Labreque wrote:
>
>> If you did raise a stink about it, and the company was forced to hire
>> you,
>> you'd know that this person would probably never fully trust you and it
>> would make the workplace atmosphere very heavy.
>
> The purpose in raising a stink about it isn't so much so they hire you,
> but so they know that making hiring decisions in that way is in fact
> illegal in the US.
>
> I would never want to take a job with a company that put personal
> religious belief before one's ability to do the job. There was a
> company in that I considered working for, until I found this on their
> website:
>
> "[company] started the company with a vision and core values inspired by
> their religious beliefs and a desire to honor God by applying Biblical
> principles in relation to employees, customers, and financial dealings."
>
> I see that they have now clarified (they didn't at the time, as I
> recall)
> that they don't have a particular religious *requirement*.
>
> I didn't even bother applying. Not because I'm amoral, but because the
> religious overtones left a bad impression. It's possible to say that
> you expect people to be responsible and ethical (indeed, what company
> *doesn't* want that?) without framing it in religious terms.
>
> Jim
BTW, James, if you want to ping me offline (I believe you have my e-mail
address), I'd be happy to keep my eyes open in my own professional
network for positions that match up with what you're looking for.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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...in the HELL?!
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Le 2014-07-23 13:28, Jim Henderson a écrit :
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:37:59 -0400, James Holsenback wrote:
>
>> Sad
>> state of affairs ... don't you think?
>
> Very much so.
>
> If that question came up (it fortunately hasn't for me), my answer would
> probably be something along the lines of "The position in question is
> looking for a number of skills I have; how do my personal beliefs relate
> to the responsibilities of the job?"
>
> This seems good:
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/when-hr-asks-about-religion-in-
> interview-2014-5
I was going to say that we do most of our maintenance releases on
Saturdays, and this can cause problems with the more pious jews. but
apart from that, it shouldn't matter.
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>> Sad
>> state of affairs ... don't you think?
>
> Very much so.
>
> If that question came up (it fortunately hasn't for me), my answer would
> probably be something along the lines of "The position in question is
> looking for a number of skills I have; how do my personal beliefs relate
> to the responsibilities of the job?"
Or something like, "Oh - will it be a problem if I'm not available
Sunday mornings to work?" :-)
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I hear there are still some places in the US where there are basically
closet atheists who pretend to be Christians because else they would be
shunned and discriminated against. They would basically become outcasts.
Love and tolerance indeed...
--
- Warp
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On 07/24/2014 04:48 AM, Warp wrote:
> I hear there are still some places in the US where there are basically
> closet atheists who pretend to be Christians because else they would be
> shunned and discriminated against. They would basically become outcasts.
>
> Love and tolerance indeed...
>
and obviously telling lies isn't that big of a deal either ...
Me: Curious as to when I might expect some sort of decision.
Him: I've been buried with quoting a bunch of stuff with a new customer.
Hope to get back with you later this week.
Silence for 10 days ...
Me: I'm hoping you've found a moment or two to think about taking me on,
so I'm going to stick my neck out a bit and ask .... When do I start!
Nothing after 5 more days ...
Without getting into gory details I /was/ actually willing to choke down
the bile and take one for my team (family) and accept the position if it
was offered. Thanks goodness my ex-ex wife can still read me like a book
and has let me off the hook
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On 24/07/2014 09:48 AM, Warp wrote:
> I hear there are still some places in the US where there are basically
> closet atheists who pretend to be Christians because else they would be
> shunned and discriminated against. They would basically become outcasts.
>
> Love and tolerance indeed...
Never mind that - I'm told there are places where if you say, out loud,
that you don't believe in God, next day you'll find your house has been
burned to the ground. And don't bother reporting it to the police
either; they probably helped burn it.
Glad I don't live there...
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On 24/07/2014 11:36, James Holsenback wrote:
> On 07/24/2014 04:48 AM, Warp wrote:
>> I hear there are still some places in the US where there are basically
>> closet atheists who pretend to be Christians because else they would be
>> shunned and discriminated against. They would basically become outcasts.
>>
>> Love and tolerance indeed...
>>
>
> and obviously telling lies isn't that big of a deal either ...
>
> Me: Curious as to when I might expect some sort of decision.
> Him: I've been buried with quoting a bunch of stuff with a new customer.
> Hope to get back with you later this week.
>
> Silence for 10 days ...
> Me: I'm hoping you've found a moment or two to think about taking me on,
> so I'm going to stick my neck out a bit and ask .... When do I start!
>
> Nothing after 5 more days ...
>
> Without getting into gory details I /was/ actually willing to choke down
> the bile and take one for my team (family) and accept the position if it
> was offered. Thanks goodness my ex-ex wife can still read me like a book
> and has let me off the hook
From my top-boss, speaking about the owner: when owner say "I will call
you on that", it means there will be no call and the subject is not to
be raised again.
It's better once you got the sub-titles.
--
IQ of crossposters with FU: 100 / (number of groups)
IQ of crossposters without FU: 100 / (1 + number of groups)
IQ of multiposters: 100 / ( (number of groups) * (number of groups))
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On 07/24/2014 06:02 AM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 24/07/2014 09:48 AM, Warp wrote:
>> I hear there are still some places in the US where there are basically
>> closet atheists who pretend to be Christians because else they would be
>> shunned and discriminated against. They would basically become outcasts.
>>
>> Love and tolerance indeed...
>
> Never mind that - I'm told there are places where if you say, out loud,
> that you don't believe in God, next day you'll find your house has been
> burned to the ground. And don't bother reporting it to the police
> either; they probably helped burn it.
>
> Glad I don't live there...
LOL ... maybe that's where I'm living! My next door neighbor has a large
"God Delivers" sign in his front yard. Now he's a pleasant enough
fellow, who has been going through a rather rough patch lately. He's
never tired to sermonize but I often felt the urge to ask him ... how's
that working out for ya!
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