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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 17:56:00
Message: <53d2d270$1@news.povray.org>
On 25/07/14 22:52, Stephen wrote:
> But strangely  enough when I let it be known that I was Obeah (Juju).
> Life got simpler and I became Uncle Stephen. o_O
> 
> 

John (sacrifices a black cockerel to Uncle Stephen)
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 18:05:03
Message: <53d2d48f$1@news.povray.org>
On 25/07/2014 22:55, Doctor John wrote:
> On 25/07/14 22:52, Stephen wrote:
>> But strangely  enough when I let it be known that I was Obeah (Juju).
>> Life got simpler and I became Uncle Stephen. o_O
>>
>>
>
> John (sacrifices a black cockerel to Uncle Stephen)
>
Goats! I prefer goats.
(There is more meat on them and I like goat curry.)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 18:41:13
Message: <53d2dd09$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:27:43 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 24/07/2014 11:09, James Holsenback wrote:
>>
>> LOL ... maybe that's where I'm living! My next door neighbor has a
>> large "God Delivers" sign in his front yard.
> 
> "25¢ a slice." in the next yard? ;-)


LOL


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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 18:43:55
Message: <53d2ddab$1@news.povray.org>
Am 25.07.2014 18:47, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:00:22 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2014 12:10 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Well, there are a lot of things that didn't become an issue for the
>>> general public, partly because Romney wouldn't really talk about what
>>> he believes or what his church practices.  I may not have liked him as
>>> a candidate or as a person, but I can respect him for saying "that's
>>> not what this election is about" and refusing to talk about his faith.
>>> If he had been elected, I actually think he would have not had his
>>> faith be front and center, because he didn't want it in the spotlight.
>>> He considered it to be a very personal thing, and not relevant to his
>>> policy choices.
>>>
>> On that note - what the hell where his policies exactly, I never noted
>> him actually pinning any down, really, unless, "I picked a Tea Party nut
>> to replace me, should my brain melt down while trying to figure out what
>> I actually believe this week, and the VP has to take over."? lol
>
> Yeah, that was also a big problem with him - his stated policies and past
> policy decisions didn't line up very well, and he was all over the board
> on what he was for.  Most of his campaigning was based on "I'm against
> what Obama's doing".
>
> Pretty glad the electorate didn't fall for *that*, even though I'm not
> very happy with Obama's stand on intellectual property and privacy
> issues.  Right now, neither party is making me very happy.

I never got the hang of parties anyway... all the loud music and alcohol...

(strolls out the garden door with a soft drink)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 18:45:15
Message: <53d2ddfb$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:53:54 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> (A country that builds more churches than hospitals.)

Arguably, that's the case in the US as well.

And the UK.

Go to Google maps and put in (for example) "Hospitals in London, United 
Kingdom", and "Churches in London, United Kingdom".

Compare the number of dots on the map.

Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 19:20:08
Message: <53d2e628$1@news.povray.org>
Am 26.07.2014 00:45, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:53:54 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> (A country that builds more churches than hospitals.)
>
> Arguably, that's the case in the US as well.
>
> And the UK.

Germany, too. (*)

Does this make sense? Let's see:

In 2011, Baden-Wuerttemberg had a population of about 10.5 million, and 
285 hospitals with a total of 56910 beds and an average utilization of 
76.8%; thus, it can be concluded that on average about 1 in 240 people 
were in hospital at any given day. We can also conclude that an average 
hospital had 200 beds.

If we presume that a pious person would attend church services regularly 
at least on major holidays, such as Easter Sunday or Christmas, then it 
would take just 0.4% of the population to be pious in order to require 
about as many church seats as hospital beds.


(*) Actually, reading Stephen's posting more carefully: Maybe no. 
Germany /has/ more churches than hospitals, but whether more /new/ 
churches are being built than hospitals is difficult to tell. 
Statistical data from Baden-Wuerttemberg indicates that the number of 
hospitals is actually declining (as people remain hospitalized for ever 
shorter times), but I'll wager that the same goes for churches. Just 
noticed a New Apostolic Church building having been torn down a few 
weeks ago near where I live.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 19:30:39
Message: <53d2e89f@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 00:43:44 +0200, clipka wrote:

> Pretty glad the electorate didn't fall for *that*, even though I'm not
>> very happy with Obama's stand on intellectual property and privacy
>> issues.  Right now, neither party is making me very happy.
> 
> I never got the hang of parties anyway... all the loud music and
> alcohol...
> 
> (strolls out the garden door with a soft drink)

That sounds like a good option.  Though I don't have a garden door, I do 
have a balcony door.  And a soft drink.  And a laptop.  I could grab a 
table and sit outside and work this afternoon.  Hmmm.

Jim



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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 2014 19:31:30
Message: <53d2e8d2$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:19:55 +0200, clipka wrote:

> Actually, reading Stephen's posting more carefully: Maybe no. Germany
> /has/ more churches than hospitals, but whether more /new/
> churches are being built than hospitals is difficult to tell.

Hmm, fair point.

I think right now in the Seattle area, though, there aren't any new 
hospitals being built, but I'd be surprised if there weren't any new 
churches being built.

Jim
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 26 Jul 2014 01:01:57
Message: <53d33645@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Well, there are a lot of things that didn't become an issue for the 
> general public, partly because Romney wouldn't really talk about what he 
> believes or what his church practices.  I may not have liked him as a 
> candidate or as a person, but I can respect him for saying "that's not 
> what this election is about" and refusing to talk about his faith.  If he 
> had been elected, I actually think he would have not had his faith be 
> front and center, because he didn't want it in the spotlight.  He 
> considered it to be a very personal thing, and not relevant to his policy 
> choices.

I really have to wonder if he did that honestly, or because he (or his
advisors) thought that it would be better to not openly discuss his
beliefs because it would drive voters away...

> But there's still no way I would have voted for him.  But I do wish more 
> candidates would say "you know what?  My beliefs are not your business, 
> they're mine." - and then left it at that, and let their actions rather 
> than their beliefs (or perceptions about their beliefs) be what they were 
> judged on by the electorate.

That would probably be the best, but then, perhaps people would vote for
the one candidate who praises God all the time?

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stunned!!!!
Date: 26 Jul 2014 02:13:39
Message: <53d34713$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/07/2014 00:31, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 01:19:55 +0200, clipka wrote:
>
>> Actually, reading Stephen's posting more carefully: Maybe no. Germany
>> /has/ more churches than hospitals, but whether more /new/
>> churches are being built than hospitals is difficult to tell.
>
> Hmm, fair point.
>
> I think right now in the Seattle area, though, there aren't any new
> hospitals being built, but I'd be surprised if there weren't any new
> churches being built.
>
> Jim
>

As you know it was also a metaphor.
Churches, hospitals. Apples, oranges.

Hospitals need to be centralised to share the expensive machinery that 
goes Beep!
Churches serve smaller communities, except for cathedrals and the like.

Religion is the pillar of a lot of peoples lives. And a big distraction. 
IMO they have their priorities wrong.
In the UK the established churches are loosing influence with quite a 
few buildings being de-sanctified and sold off. To become temples to 
those other gods, food and drink. Hospitals are lurching from one crises 
to the next. Almost as if it (NHS) is being decommissioned. And to be 
sold off the the Temple of Mammon.
Bitter! Moi?

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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