Am 07.08.2014 09:28, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 6-8-2014 21:57, Stephen wrote:
>> On 05/08/2014 08:34, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 4-8-2014 18:55, Stephen wrote:
>>>> We must remember that the Founding Fathers did not leave Europe fleeing
>>>> religious intolerance. But to practice it.
>>>> Then the south had a lot of Scottish protestants settling it and a more
>>>> intolerant lot you would not meet in a month of Sundays.
>>>
>>> Ah, you confirm indeed to me what I have been musing about following
>>> this thread.
>>>
>>
>> Which part was confirmed? The bit where I got my Pilgrims confounded
>> with my Foundling?
>
> The Founding Fathers /and/ the Scottish Protestants. Besides, I guess
> that the massive arrivals of Irish and Italian Catholics in the 19th
> century again exacerbated the intolerance - on both sides probably. The
> result is a weird societal concoction.
>
>> Even the Netherlands was not liberal enough for them.
>
> Indeed. And maybe they felt they were in the devil's own country, who
> knows.
>
> We still have our own little bible belt though.

Same in Germany, too, as it seems.

In plenty of regions in Germany we have a tradition called 


shooting competition with small-caliber or air rifles (but more 
importantly for disposing of lots of beer, a task in which non-members 
also help generously). The winner of those competitions is then declared 


Now just a few days ago regional news reported of a case where a 


(and, as was noticed only then, also the rules of that particular 

christian faith.

So much for religious tolerance in Germany.

(It should be said though that there are other umbrella organizations 

all.)


Edit: Just read up the latest news on this topic: The umbrella 
organization in question, the "Bund der Historischen Deutschen 

decided in this particular case to make an exception, and allow the 

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On 7-8-2014 10:03, clipka wrote:
> Am 07.08.2014 09:28, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 6-8-2014 21:57, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2014 08:34, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 4-8-2014 18:55, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> We must remember that the Founding Fathers did not leave Europe
>>>>> fleeing
>>>>> religious intolerance. But to practice it.
>>>>> Then the south had a lot of Scottish protestants settling it and a
>>>>> more
>>>>> intolerant lot you would not meet in a month of Sundays.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, you confirm indeed to me what I have been musing about following
>>>> this thread.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which part was confirmed? The bit where I got my Pilgrims confounded
>>> with my Foundling?
>>
>> The Founding Fathers /and/ the Scottish Protestants. Besides, I guess
>> that the massive arrivals of Irish and Italian Catholics in the 19th
>> century again exacerbated the intolerance - on both sides probably. The
>> result is a weird societal concoction.
>>
>>> Even the Netherlands was not liberal enough for them.
>>
>> Indeed. And maybe they felt they were in the devil's own country, who
>> knows.
>>
>> We still have our own little bible belt though.
>
> Same in Germany, too, as it seems.
>
> In plenty of regions in Germany we have a tradition called


> shooting competition with small-caliber or air rifles (but more
> importantly for disposing of lots of beer, a task in which non-members
> also help generously). The winner of those competitions is then declared


Very quaint :-) I use to watch them on TV at their yearly parade.

[...]

> Edit: Just read up the latest news on this topic: The umbrella
> organization in question, the "Bund der Historischen Deutschen

> decided in this particular case to make an exception, and allow the

>

Yes it is indeed. It could be worse. The fact that there still is polio 
in the Netherlands for instance is because of religious obscurantism in 
certain (protestant) groups refusing vaccination.

Thomas

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On 07/08/2014 08:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> The Founding Fathers /and/ the Scottish Protestants.

Okay.

> Besides, I guess
> that the massive arrivals of Irish and Italian Catholics in the 19th
> century again exacerbated the intolerance - on both sides probably.

I would think, more on the protestant side. If history is anything to go 
by. (I was christened a Catholic but brought up a Prody in a sectarian 
society. I say protestant but it was the CoE, which was considered a bit 
too close to Rome for most peoples liking.)

> The result is a weird societal concoction.
>

No arguments there. ;-)

>> Even the Netherlands was not liberal enough for them.
>
> Indeed. And maybe they felt they were in the devil's own country, who
> knows.
>

Purgatory, not Hell, by comparison.

> We still have our own little bible belt though.


Don't we all. :-)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On 7-8-2014 15:14, Stephen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 08:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> The Founding Fathers /and/ the Scottish Protestants.
>
> Okay.
>
>> Besides, I guess
>> that the massive arrivals of Irish and Italian Catholics in the 19th
>> century again exacerbated the intolerance - on both sides probably.
>
> I would think, more on the protestant side. If history is anything to go
> by. (I was christened a Catholic but brought up a Prody in a sectarian
> society. I say protestant but it was the CoE, which was considered a bit
> too close to Rome for most peoples liking.)

Yes, You are right. I was brought up a Catholic and am glad I was, 
rather than another creed. ;-P

>
>> The result is a weird societal concoction.
>>
>
> No arguments there. ;-)
>
>>> Even the Netherlands was not liberal enough for them.
>>
>> Indeed. And maybe they felt they were in the devil's own country, who
>> knows.
>>
>
> Purgatory, not Hell, by comparison.

It depends how /liberalism/ was interpreted...

>
>> We still have our own little bible belt though.
>
>
> Don't we all. :-)

I suppose so. As long as one does not have to live within ;-)

Thomas

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