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>> If you're intelligent at something
>
> Can you be, intelligent at something?
I'm certainly not very intelligent at wording things very well...
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On 15/01/2014 10:25 AM, scott wrote:
>>> If you're intelligent at something
>>
>> Can you be, intelligent at something?
>
> I'm certainly not very intelligent at wording things very well...
LOL Me too.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Am 15.01.2014 09:58, schrieb Stephen:
> On 14/01/2014 5:02 PM, scott wrote:
>> If you're intelligent at something
>
> Can you be, intelligent at something?
>
> And someone please explain to me, what IQ is?
IQ is a quantification of your intelligence in comparison to the average
person of your age.
Intelligence is the fitness to perform well in a so-called intelligence
test.
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Am 14.01.2014 23:10, schrieb Doctor John:
> However, and this not aimed at you, Andrew, it never ceases to amaze me
> how many people have a knee-jerk reaction to the subject of intelligence.
>
> If you can run 10,000 metres in under 27 minutes, you are a hero. If you
> can consistently knock a small white ball into a hole a few hundred
> metres distant, you are a hero and get paid $SILLYNUM for it. If you can
> string more than two words together, have a body like a god/dess and are
> willing to stand in front of a camera for interminable takes, everybody
> wants to have your babies. I also note that good athletes join athletics
> clubs, good soccer players join soccer clubs and Povray users eventually
> end up on news.povray.*. Where's the difference?
Interestingly, in Einstein's days there apparently wasn't. He was a kind
of pop icon of his time.
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On 15-1-2014 9:39, Stephen wrote:
> On 15/01/2014 5:48 AM, Sherry K. Shaw wrote:
>> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, they do allow
>>> women in
>>
>> Silly me...I thought it was about being able to walk into a room full of
>> people and have a conversation with some of them, without having to stop
>> and explain what I just said every couple of sentences. Or, just
>> possibly, without having to face the sullen, cowlike stares of people
>> who assume that women cannot possibly be very bright.
>>
> Hi Sherry, your annual visit? Good to see you.
>
> I don't think Patrick meant that the way you are taking it. I read it
> as, because they do let (and the word "let" is a signifier) women in.
> You can't criticise them for not letting women in. If you see what I mean?
>
> Hmm! Thinks before posting.
>
> That last sentence is more about my inability to express than your
> ability [as a woman {OMG (in these hallowed halls, what ever next?)} ;-)
> ] to understand.
Stephen, please, I know we don't have many women visitors here, but that
is no reason to start to babble incoherently when one turns up.
[looking aside] Oh hi Sherry, good to see you again. I am assuming that
my calendar starting to bleep your name today is just a coincidence that
we won't have to look into further.
--
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.
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On 1/14/2014 4:40 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> Patrick, I give you a challenge. You have one year to learn the
> 'tricks'. We will then face up in a neutral environment and take the
> tests. If I win, you publicly apologise and if you win, I do the same. Deal?
>
Uh, no thanks. Really not interested. Mind... in 8th grade they had to
send off for college levels tests to determine what my skill levels
where (which where screwing up their, "we wedge everyone into the same
box, then wonder why some of them get bored", theory of education, and
my parents still won't tell me what the tests said. Not sure why, today
it would just be information, but.. I suppose, back then my attitude
tended to be that everyone else around me was a bloody idiot.
>> Its all well and good to have a club, but.. Mensa is a bit like a
>> "gentleman's club", it comes with the flawed assumption that they are
>> there because they are inherently better, and the ones not in the club,
>> thus, have huge, substantial, mental flaws.
>
> So, you've been a member, have you? Please don't make assumptions based
> on zero experience.
No, I just know how people act when they isolated themselves from the
rest of society based on some attribute, *especially* if the attribute
is something they can stand around with medals, rewards, trophies, or
an, sometimes, inappropriate sense of being better and privileged.
> ...and how are we to judge ability then? A BA, MA or even PhD (or other
> qualifications) certificate says certain things about you. Apply for a
> job through me with one of those in your hand and I would be willing to
> give you a hearing. Come to me and say "I'm good but I can't be arsed to
> prove it" then you won't even get through the front door.
>
Except, those things prove you worked at them, and presumably, achieved
something. Being in Mensa.. means you passed a test, and then... maybe
didn't do anything at all after. Mind, this may only be true of a small
percentage, but.. its still not a sign of achievement, its being picked
for the team, then, some of them just sit the bench, and gloat at being
on the team.
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On 1/14/2014 10:48 PM, Sherry K. Shaw wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Unfortunately, they do allow
>> women in
>
> Silly me...I thought it was about being able to walk into a room full of
> people and have a conversation with some of them, without having to stop
> and explain what I just said every couple of sentences. Or, just
> possibly, without having to face the sullen, cowlike stares of people
> who assume that women cannot possibly be very bright.
>
> --Sherry Shaw
>
>
This was intended to be sarcastic - as in, unlike gentleman's clubs,
they don't exclude people based on sex, or get flustered, when they turn
out to have brains.
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:56:10 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>> Apply for a job through me with one of those in your hand and I would
>> be willing to give you a hearing. Come to me and say "I'm good but I
>> can't be arsed to prove it"
>
> Sad really that, that attitude still exists.
Boy, does it. 3 years, still looking for a full-time position because I
don't have that damned piece of paper.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 05:08:27 +0000, Doctor John wrote:
> On 15/01/14 01:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Well said, John. I couldn't agree with you more. Especially here in
>> the US, and as a smarter person in school growing up, I was ridiculed,
>> teased, and bullied (though my "bullying" wasn't anywhere near what
>> kids these days seem to be subjected to).
>>
>>
> I feel for the younger you. I was lucky in being strong enough to take
> care of myself. There are one or two people out there who will still
> remember the effect of a knee in the groin - not a dignified response,
> but effective just the same.
I was never quite brave (?) enough to try something like that. There
were a couple of kids on the football team (well, one in particular that
I remember well) who were really good to me, but mostly I just didn't
make friends easily because I was as I described.
>> All because I was smart, somewhat socially awkward, and "gifted" (gawd,
>> I *hate* that term) generally and at playing the violin.
>>
>>
> At last! Someone else who played the violin. Do you still play or did
> you do as I did and give up because of the bullying? I took up the
> guitar instead - gave me more street-cred.
I didn't give it up because of the bullying - I was actually pretty good
(though I do say so myself). I still have it, but I need to have some
work done on it before I can play it again - a repair gone bad several
years ago left the sound post stuck to the top face of the instrument,
and it's got a really bad wolf on the E string (the open E, at that).
I haven't played in years, though, because of that. One of our neighbors
is a violin maker, even, but he said it'd cost about $400 to get it
fixed, because he'd have to take the front off the instrument to fix it.
>> Meanwhile, we wonder (at least here in the US) why education is
>> failing.
>>
>> I guess it's because we don't believe in God hard enough. Yeah, that
>> must be it - it certainly can't be because STEM education standards
>> absolutely suck in a lot of the US. It couldn't possibly have to do
>> with anything about believing that "creationism" is science and
>> "evolution" is a myth. Couldn't f*cking have anything to do with that.
>>
>>
> We seem to be getting a similar mindset over here in UK.
Heh, I don't think you've got that disease to the extent we do in some
parts of the US (Texas, I'm looking at you. Mostly because Texas has
enough pull that the Texas Board of Education ends up picking what goes
in curriculum across the country).
>> Kinda a hot button for me, and I'm overtired and a bit stressed.
>> Sorry, carry on. ;)
>
> No need to apologise. I am aware of (some of) the complexities in your
> life.
>
> John (raising a cup of coffee in Jim's direction)
Thanks, that helps. Oooh, coffee. :)
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:58:33 +0000, scott wrote:
>> Well said, John. I couldn't agree with you more. Especially here in
>> the US, and as a smarter person in school growing up, I was ridiculed,
>> teased, and bullied (though my "bullying" wasn't anywhere near what
>> kids these days seem to be subjected to).
>>
>> All because I was smart, somewhat socially awkward, and "gifted" (gawd,
>> I *hate* that term) generally and at playing the violin.
>>
>> But people who are good at bashing other people's heads in playing
>> football, or dunking a ball through a hoop with a net - they're
>> "heroes".
>>
>> Meanwhile, we wonder (at least here in the US) why education is
>> failing.
>
> The problem is, and it's the same in the UK, it's "cool" to be dumb, or
> at least appear to be dumb. For what I've heard it's not so much like
> that in Asian countries though. I don't know how you would go about
> changing it, perhaps separate out by ability at a much earlier age?
In the US, all you have to do is look at politicians to see how cool it
is to be dumb. Being dumb gets you money and power. Being smart? Not
so much, at least in politics (though clearly there are some *very*
wealthy people over here who have a fair amount of brains).
But for popularity, one need look no further than, say, Sarah Palin (or
pretty much any Fox News personality) to see that dumb/ignorant makes you
popular. Some of the personalities on Fox News are *highly* educated,
but they say stupid things like "Santa is white. That's just the way it
is. And so was Jesus" because ignorance plays to the masses.
Which results in people in the general population wanting things like
"Government out of my Medicare" (Medicare is a government program. m-/ )
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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