On 1/14/2014 4:40 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> Patrick, I give you a challenge. You have one year to learn the
> 'tricks'. We will then face up in a neutral environment and take the
> tests. If I win, you publicly apologise and if you win, I do the same. Deal?
>
Uh, no thanks. Really not interested. Mind... in 8th grade they had to 
send off for college levels tests to determine what my skill levels 
where (which where screwing up their, "we wedge everyone into the same 
box, then wonder why some of them get bored", theory of education, and 
my parents still won't tell me what the tests said. Not sure why, today 
it would just be information, but.. I suppose, back then my attitude 
tended to be that everyone else around me was a bloody idiot.

>> Its all well and good to have a club, but.. Mensa is a bit like a
>> "gentleman's club", it comes with the flawed assumption that they are
>> there because they are inherently better, and the ones not in the club,
>> thus, have huge, substantial, mental flaws.
>
> So, you've been a member, have you? Please don't make assumptions based
> on zero experience.
No, I just know how people act when they isolated themselves from the 
rest of society based on some attribute, *especially* if the attribute 
is something they can stand around with medals, rewards, trophies, or 
an, sometimes, inappropriate sense of being better and privileged.

> ...and how are we to judge ability then? A BA, MA or even PhD (or other
> qualifications) certificate says certain things about you. Apply for a
> job through me with one of those in your hand and I would be willing to
> give you a hearing. Come to me and say "I'm good but I can't be arsed to
> prove it" then you won't even get through the front door.
>
Except, those things prove you worked at them, and presumably, achieved 
something. Being in Mensa.. means you passed a test, and then... maybe 
didn't do anything at all after. Mind, this may only be true of a small 
percentage, but.. its still not a sign of achievement, its being picked 
for the team, then, some of them just sit the bench, and gloat at being 
on the team.

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