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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 3 Sep 2012 16:26:43
Message: <50451283$1@news.povray.org>
On 02/09/2012 8:52 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
> OK, well, the job spec clearly says they're looking for a VB programmer.
> I have never done any VB coding (as a cursory glance at my CV will
> readily confirm).
>
> Firstly, this raises the interesting question "why the hell are they
> even interviewing me?"

A legitimate question to ask but not in those terms.

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     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:19:10
Message: <5045ffce$1@news.povray.org>
On 02/09/2012 08:52 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Clearly I will not be looking at any further jobs in Oxford. The journey
> is just insane. I got stuck at one singe junction for 20 minute
> straight. This is at 3pm on a Friday afternoon. I hate to imagine what
> rush hour is like. (!)

Weirdly, at 9:30 in the morning, it's apparently pretty deserted. How odd...

Consequently, I arrived almost an hour early. (Still, arriving almost an 
hour late would be way, way worse!)

Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well - although 
I doubt they'll be offering me the job anytime soon. And honestly, would 
I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day? Plus 
they're talking about working 8am to 6pm (rather than the usual 9 to 5), 
plus most weekends. On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has 
quite a number of things against it.



Undeniably the /worst/ part, though, was getting home again.

I made the stupid mistake of trying to actually use the "park and ride" 
system that the signs scream about every 200 yards or so. The idea is 
that instead of driving into Oxford, where there is NO parking ANYWHERE, 
instead you park in a giant field several miles outside Oxford, and then 
get the bus into Oxford itself.

This part worked just fine. The problem happens when you try to get the 
bus BACK to your car! You see, the trouble is, of all the dozens of bus 
stops littered around the place, ZERO of them are for buses that go back 
to the car park. There are stops for buses going to Banbury, Witney, 
Woodstock, Kiddlington, Islip, but NOTHING going to the ****ing car 
park! >_<

Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that 
this is approximately 3 miles.) Perhaps most frustrating of all, a 
God-damned SAW several 300 buses go right past me. I just couldn't find 
ANY bus stops where the 300 actually stops. Instead, I trudged on and 
on, in unbearable summer heat, wearing my best new suit and my shiny 
office shoes that gave me blisters. And all because Oxford city council 
can't be ****ing bothered to provide a park and ride service that 
****ing works!

I have a damned good mind to demand my money back for my return ticket, 
since I was clearly unable to actually GET a return trip. :-P

I do not find it funny that I had to walk down the side of a high-speed 
4-lane road, being narrowly missed by thundering juggernauts, because of 
their stupidity. Even when I GOT to the car park, there's no way of 
actually CROSSING the road short of just playing chicken with the 
oncoming heavy goods traffic. I could have been killed!


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:23:05
Message: <504600b9$1@news.povray.org>

> Firstly, this raises the interesting question "why the hell are they
> even interviewing me?" Especially given how badly I did with the test
> they sent. Presumably the purpose of a test is to weed out the people
> who are completely unsuitable, so they can concentrate on the people who
> show at least a minimal aptitude for the work.
>

Possible answer #1:  You still did better than any other candidate.
Possible answer #2:  The questions you left blank were "traps" to weed 
out the BSers (I had a few questions like that when I was interviewing 
people).  By leaving them blank it showed them you weren't trying to 
show off.
Possible answer #3:  "Bob, this guy is not qualified for my position, 
but he would clearly be a good candidtate for you!  You should check him 
out"  I've done that with many CVs that were sent to me, and have also 
received a few people that were initially interviewed by other depts.


> None of this is stuff you want to say in a formal interview. So the
> question is... what the heck am I going to tell these guys? They're
> offering a job that's almost impossible to commute to, coding in a
> language I dislike. So why the heck did I apply?
>

Andy needs food.  Badly.

(Bonus points if you get the reference)

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:45:24
Message: <504605f4$1@news.povray.org>
Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:

> Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that
> this is approximately 3 miles.) Perhaps most frustrating of all, a
> God-damned SAW several 300 buses go right past me. I just couldn't find
> ANY bus stops where the 300 actually stops. Instead, I trudged on and
> on, in unbearable summer heat, wearing my best new suit and my shiny
> office shoes that gave me blisters. And all because Oxford city council
> can't be ****ing bothered to provide a park and ride service that
> ****ing works!

http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/main.php?page_id=61
http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/main.php?page_id=62


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:56:13
Message: <5046087d$1@news.povray.org>
Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:

> Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well - although
> I doubt they'll be offering me the job anytime soon. And honestly, would
> I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day? Plus
> they're talking about working 8am to 6pm (rather than the usual 9 to 5),
> plus most weekends. On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has
> quite a number of things against it.

What? 10 hours (including breaks) a day AND most weekends? What is this? 
An 18th century factory job?


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 14:57:40
Message: <50464f24$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 02:45 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:
>
>> Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that
>> this is approximately 3 miles.) Perhaps most frustrating of all, a
>> God-damned SAW several 300 buses go right past me. I just couldn't find
>> ANY bus stops where the 300 actually stops. Instead, I trudged on and
>> on, in unbearable summer heat, wearing my best new suit and my shiny
>> office shoes that gave me blisters. And all because Oxford city council
>> can't be ****ing bothered to provide a park and ride service that
>> ****ing works!
>
> http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/main.php?page_id=61

Wait - so you can only get ON the bus if you walk 5 miles into the 
center of the city first?! WTF?

(The stop I got off at is outside the area shown on the map.)


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 14:58:36
Message: <50464f5c$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 02:56 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:
>
>> Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well - although
>> I doubt they'll be offering me the job anytime soon. And honestly, would
>> I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day? Plus
>> they're talking about working 8am to 6pm (rather than the usual 9 to 5),
>> plus most weekends. On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has
>> quite a number of things against it.
>
> What? 10 hours (including breaks) a day AND most weekends? What is this?
> An 18th century factory job?

I have no answer to that.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 16:28:35
Message: <50466473$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 2:19 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>
> Weirdly, at 9:30 in the morning, it's apparently pretty deserted. How
> odd...
>

Nope, rush hour is over.

>
> Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well

Glad to hear it. :-D

>  And honestly, would
> I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day?

No, but I drive 150 miles a day. It is tiring.

On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has
> quite a number of things against it.
>
>
And a couple of things going for it too.
It is paid and it looks good stepping from one job to another (while you 
look for something more suitable).

>
> Undeniably the /worst/ part, though, was getting home again.
>
> I made the stupid mistake of trying to actually use the "park and ride"
> system that the signs scream about every 200 yards or so.

If you get the job you ask your co-workers what is the best thing to do.

> I could have been killed!

Personally I think that you did something wrong. :-P


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 16:31:57
Message: <5046653d$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 2:56 PM, clipka wrote:

> What? 10 hours (including breaks) a day AND most weekends? What is this?
> An 18th century factory job?

Welcome to modern Britain. ;-)

The client that I'm working for at the moment (Mercedes HPP) work from 
8am to 5:30, nominally. They do a lot of unpaid overtime as well. If it 
is a race weekend they work that too.

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 18:00:27
Message: <504679fb$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:28:37 +0100, Stephen wrote:

>> quite a number of things against it.
>>
>>
> And a couple of things going for it too.
> It is paid and it looks good stepping from one job to another (while you
> look for something more suitable).

Yup, sometimes you just need something to fill the gap.  Of course, you 
don't tell the prospective employer that.

Jim


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