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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:43:49 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>>> Not for the right employer.
>>>
>>> Yeah, well, there aren't too many of those around.
>>
>> That's your experience, maybe. Others have a different experience.
>
> There are a huge number of companies out there. Not all of them are any
> good though. ;-)
Even given your limited experience, that's an astute observation. :)
>> I've fought this one for a long time. I refused to get certifications
>> and relied instead on having proven experience. That did disqualify me
>> from some jobs (Iomega once upon a time) - but I used it as an employer
>> litmus test; if they were more interested in the piece of paper than in
>> my actual abilities, I wouldn't want to work for them anyways, because
>> if there was ever a question about who was right on something, it'd be
>> the one who earned the certification rather than the one who had the
>> experience.
>
> Amen.
What it means is when you *do* find the right place, they respect you for
the right reasons. For me, that is worth a lot.
>>> Don't give a damn about any other qualities you may have. If you don't
>>> already know X, you're no good to us.
>>
>> If they're trying to fill a very specific need, then that becomes a
>> rather important qualification.
>>
>>> Because, let's face it, a guy with a weak knowledge of X is far more
>>> desirable than a day with the capacity to learn everything there is to
>>> know about X, Y, Z, Q, W, V and R and then some. Right?
>>
>> In some cases, yes, actually.
>
> I could understand "in some cases".
>
> What I'm rather bemused about is the "in ALL cases" part. I have yet to
> meet a single employer who was the /slightest/ bit interested in what I
> might be capable of learning.
As you observed, there are a lot of companies out there. So it's not
"all cases", it's just "all cases within [your] experience".
>> That's why I have someone else to do that for me. :)
>
> Nice...
You could probably do so as well. You write well enough (that's what I
end up doing) - but the person I'm working with deals primarily with US-
based companies. I could ask her if she knows anyone who does what she
does in the UK, though, if you like. She may.
One thing that is *really* helpful in this particular line of work is an
ability to learn new technologies quickly. That becomes a HUGE asset.
Jim
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>> It seems that in general companies are only interested in what's
>> happening /right now/, and anything further out than that is irrelevant.
>
> Public companies are run on a quarter-by-quarter basis (at least in the
> US, but probably elsewhere as well). Everything is driven by immediate
> needs and quarterly earnings results.
>
> That's one of the major problems IMHO with publicly traded corporations.
> Private corporations can focus on a longer game.
Isn't this exactly the same problem as democratic government? The people
in power want to stay in power, and the electorate only seem to be
interested in what's happening today, so...
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> On 04/08/2012 09:09 PM, waggy wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> You know someone, and they recommend a position for you. If you were
>>> willing
>>> to move to where someone on p.o-t lives, there would probably be people
>>> offering you jobs based on what they know of you here.
>>>
>> This. Looking back on it, most of the positions I've held, including
>> those
>> while I was active duty in the military, I got through word-of-mouth
>> referral,
>> despite the fact that I suck at networking.
>
> ...right... so given that I don't know anybody, I should just give up
> now? Is that what you're saying?
Aren't you in a dance club or class or something? Do any of these
people work in some sort of office, or company? ASK them if they know
of any openings at their workplace.
On a semi-related note, when we were grown up enough that my mom decided
to re-enter the job market, someone told her to take a piece of paper
and fill it with the word "NO", but and the very end write "YES". For
every job you don't get, you scratch one of the NOs. Don't despair
until you get to the YES.
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>> ...right... so given that I don't know anybody, I should just give up
>> now? Is that what you're saying?
>
> Aren't you in a dance club or class or something? Do any of these people
> work in some sort of office, or company? ASK them if they know of any
> openings at their workplace.
I'll give it a go. I doubt I'll get many offers though...
> Don't despair until you get to the YES.
Right. Because /now/ you're in your own personal Dilbert strip. ;-)
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 08:54:51 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> It seems that in general companies are only interested in what's
>>> happening /right now/, and anything further out than that is
>>> irrelevant.
>>
>> Public companies are run on a quarter-by-quarter basis (at least in the
>> US, but probably elsewhere as well). Everything is driven by immediate
>> needs and quarterly earnings results.
>>
>> That's one of the major problems IMHO with publicly traded
>> corporations.
>> Private corporations can focus on a longer game.
>
> Isn't this exactly the same problem as democratic government? The people
> in power want to stay in power, and the electorate only seem to be
> interested in what's happening today, so...
Not really - though part of the problem is that problems aren't solved
quickly, possibly as a means of extending the need to stay in office.
But the electorate - at re-election time - if they don't like what's
happening, in theory can vote out the bums in office and put new bums in
office.
Jim
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:44:14 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> ...right... so given that I don't know anybody, I should just give up
>>> now? Is that what you're saying?
>>
>> Aren't you in a dance club or class or something? Do any of these
>> people work in some sort of office, or company? ASK them if they know
>> of any openings at their workplace.
>
> I'll give it a go. I doubt I'll get many offers though...
They may not be the hiring manager; that doesn't mean that they can't
refer you. We've talekd about this before.
Jim
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On 06/08/2012 7:35 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I have worked several ghosters (two shifts of 12 hours)...
> Hate when that happens.
Nah! I have dined out on that tale for years.
And it was an experience. :-D
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 06/08/2012 7:33 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> I think people's principles evolve and change over time.
>
That is true but when I weigh up cash in one hand and perceived
principles on the other. I find that multi nationals are a way of life.
And what would the world be like with out oil? No PovRay for one thing.
>> Most people I meet don't like working. They do it like your friend, to
>> put bread on the table.
>
> I think overall it's about 50/50 for me - in terms of the people I meet.
>
When I worked in factories and the like. It was more 95/5. But in my
present job the most of the people I meet are very enthusiastic about
their work. But then they have got on and are successful.
> It's a very fortunate thing indeed to take something you love doing and
> to be able to make a career out of it.
>
>
It is indeed.
When I tell people that my hobby is 3D computer graphics they cannot
understand that I can spend all day at a computer and hours at night.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:27:27 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 06/08/2012 7:35 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I have worked several ghosters (two shifts of 12 hours)...
>
>> Hate when that happens.
>
> Nah! I have dined out on that tale for years.
Well, at least something good came from it. :)
> And it was an experience. :-D
That could be said about anything that happens to you, though. ;)
Jim
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On 07/08/2012 9:36 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:27:27 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/2012 7:35 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> I have worked several ghosters (two shifts of 12 hours)...
>>
>>> Hate when that happens.
>>
>> Nah! I have dined out on that tale for years.
>
> Well, at least something good came from it. :)
Yes indeed. :-)
>
>> And it was an experience. :-D
>
> That could be said about anything that happens to you, though. ;)
>
Well it has not been a humdrum life, so far. And to think that I wanted
to be a school teacher.
--
Regards
Stephen
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