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Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > On 7/27/2012 19:41, Tim Cook wrote:
> > > The book was written in conjunction with the movie, and quite clearly
> > > explains what's going on in the scenes in the end sequence.
>
> > There's a difference between "it explains what's going on" and "you're
> > supposed to understand it."
>
> > Consider, for example, the typical time-travel paradox story. It can explain
> > what happens quite clearly without you understanding what's going on.
>
> > The sequence at the end of 2001 is the hyper-intelligent alien whatever
> > magically transporting Dave. Even tho Dave says "it's full of stars", you
> > aren't necessarily understanding *how* or *why* it is full of stars.
>
> Also note that the book was written *after* the movie, in other words,
> the movie was original and not based on any book.
>
> AFAIK Kubrick didn't have anything particular in mind when he made the
> final sequence. Just randomness. Of course there's no way of knowing for
> sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kubrick made it random on purpose,
> just to "troll" the viewers and make them try to make some sense of it.
>
> I haven't read the book (or if I have, it was really, really long time ago
> and I don't remember anything), but AFAIK Clarke tried to put some sense
> into the ending in the book, but that doesn't make the original scene in
> the movie any less random...
it's not random at all.
Dave gets near the monolith and utters "It's full of stars", then a long
sequence of abstract psychdelic patterns and figures resembling galaxies and
planets suggests Dave has entered some kind of portal into hyperspace for a very
long travel. Obviously, this is the doing of some alien intelligence. When he
arrives at the destination, after an uncertain time until he regains
counsciosness, he finds himself in a replica hall of some of his time buildings,
all alone. The camera then plays with the loneliness of this laboratory by
contrasting several time lapses of Dave's life in this environment superimposed
one against the other, as if his former self is looking at his older one. Until
we get to the final shot of the star child, whose meaning is up to metaphysical
interpretation...
It was a mind-expanding movie back then and still holds wonderfuly well against
modern day empty blockbusters.
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Am 29.07.2012 04:23, schrieb nemesis:
> it's not random at all.
>
> Dave gets near the monolith and utters "It's full of stars", then a long
> sequence of abstract psychdelic patterns and figures resembling galaxies and
> planets
The association with galaxies and planets is pretty far-fetched.
> suggests Dave has entered some kind of portal into hyperspace for a very
> long travel. Obviously, this is the doing of some alien intelligence.
Uh-huh... that, or he(*) has taken some funky pills. Occam's razor
suggests the latter.
(*that is either Dave or the script author)
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> and utters "It's full of stars"
Actually that doesn't happen in the movie. (They put it in the sequel,
though.)
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On 28/07/2012 8:52 PM, Warp wrote:
> I haven't read the book (or if I have, it was really, really long time ago
> and I don't remember anything), but AFAIK Clarke tried to put some sense
> into the ending in the book, but that doesn't make the original scene in
> the movie any less random...
If anyone wants to borrow them, I have mp3 versions of the four Odyssey
audio books with Sir Arthur speaking a preface. Well he does on the
first two, I took a break in reading them so I can't say about the last two.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 28/07/2012 8:52 PM, Warp wrote:
> > I haven't read the book (or if I have, it was really, really long time ago
> > and I don't remember anything), but AFAIK Clarke tried to put some sense
> > into the ending in the book, but that doesn't make the original scene in
> > the movie any less random...
> If anyone wants to borrow them, I have mp3 versions of the four Odyssey
> audio books with Sir Arthur speaking a preface. Well he does on the
> first two, I took a break in reading them so I can't say about the last two.
I don't think sending an mp3 to someone constitutes "borrowing"...
--
- Warp
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On 29/07/2012 9:28 AM, Warp wrote:
> I don't think sending an mp3 to someone constitutes "borrowing"...
Just keeping to the niceties amongst friends.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 25/07/2012 10:14 PM, Warp wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1<voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> For example, both Captain Sparrow and Captain Barbosa are pirates. They
>> both lie, cheat, steal, and generally look out only for themselves. And
>> yet, somehow Sparrow is the hero, and Barbosa isn't.
>
> Who has the more charisma?
That's a big of an open question. Like I said, a lot of the best
villains have charisma. And, indeed, at the end of Dead Man's Chest,
Barbosa returns as something of a hero. It's not like there aren't
scenes where Jack is the enemy.
I think perhaps what it comes down to is that Jack seems averse to
killing people, whereas Barbosa does not hesitate. Perhaps that's it.
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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 29/07/2012 9:28 AM, Warp wrote:
> > I don't think sending an mp3 to someone constitutes "borrowing"...
>
> Just keeping to the niceties amongst friends.
you should wait about, hmm, 65 more years to make the dead author happy with his
royalties?
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 29.07.2012 04:23, schrieb nemesis:
>
> > it's not random at all.
> >
> > Dave gets near the monolith and utters "It's full of stars", then a long
> > sequence of abstract psychdelic patterns and figures resembling galaxies and
> > planets
>
> The association with galaxies and planets is pretty far-fetched.
It's not. Amongst this very long sequence there are landscapes in funky
photographic coloring and some early special effects like milk diluted in water
in slow motion to make it look like galaxies. The other caleidoscopic patterns
do look a bit like what SW would do to represent hyperspace traveling a decade
later...
> > suggests Dave has entered some kind of portal into hyperspace for a very
> > long travel. Obviously, this is the doing of some alien intelligence.
>
> Uh-huh... that, or he(*) has taken some funky pills. Occam's razor
> suggests the latter.
>
> (*that is either Dave or the script author)
could be. Dave shut off the computer who ran the ship and with no way to get
back home safely, decides for suicide via overdose of LSD. A valid
interpretation no doubt. Drugs can always explain all scifi speculations, like
in Matrix too...
except, of course, why speculate in the first place then only to explain it all
as the doing of drugs or a bad dream? That's a hallmark of bad fiction.
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> > On 29/07/2012 9:28 AM, Warp wrote:
> > > I don't think sending an mp3 to someone constitutes "borrowing"...
> >
> > Just keeping to the niceties amongst friends.
> you should wait about, hmm, 65 more years to make the dead author happy with his
> royalties?
Probably not going to help as long as Disney exists. And they are going
to exist for a long time.
--
- Warp
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