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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 4 Jun 2012 08:15:36
Message: <4fcca6e8$1@news.povray.org>

> Francois Labreque<fla### [at] videotronca>  wrote:
>>   I can tell by the pixels
>
>    Please elaborate.
>

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/120/117/Shoppp.jpg?1304525891

Internet meme.

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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 4 Jun 2012 08:25:16
Message: <4fcca92c$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2012-06-03 15:10, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
>>>> Yes, but not in this case. It's stitched together from multiple images
>>>> into the appropriate projection.
>>>
>>> How is that possible, thought? How would you ever hold the camera still
>>> enough?
>>
>> A tripod.
>
> So how do you shoot 360° without the tripod in view?

If one take the ltteral interpretation of your question, then the answer 
is easy:  The tripod is below the field of view of the camera. 
Therefore you can rotate the camera a full 360° about the z axis without 
ever seeing the tripod legs.

What you meant to ask was "how do you shoot a complete spherical view 
without seeing the tripod?  Then the answer is two fold:
- there are tripods that allow you to also rotate the camera to point 
straight up or straight down.
- the photographer can take multiple shots with the camera legs in 
different spots and then overlay those shots to take out the camera legs 
(just like SFX guys do in movies, for example when they rotoscope out 
Gary Sinise's legs in forrest Gump)
- The photographer used the clone stamp tool to "erase" the tripod legs.

Also, in the APoD picture I linked, you can clearly see the tripod legs 
in the center of the pic.

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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 4 Jun 2012 08:44:37
Message: <4fccadb5$1@news.povray.org>

>>> How the holy hell do you make a camera lens /that/ shape? And what the
>>> heck is holding the camera up??
>>
>> This looks shopped. I can tell by the pixels
>
> If it was a synthetic image, would it have this much chromatic dispersion?
>
>> Also, http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100803.html
>
> I still can't figure out how they did this...

Did you read the explanation in the links below the picture?

For your Parisian dawn picture, here's what you need to do:
- Put your tripod on a bridge.

- Change lense to use a fish-eye lens.  Take a picture looking straight 
down from yout tripod.  (You could maybe fake this in The Gimp, but 
you'd need at least a wide-angle lens and a very tall tripod to be able 
to get the Seine and the whole bridge in your field of view)
- Go back home.
- Load the pictures onto your computer
- In The Gimp,
  - Stich the pictures into a panorama.
  - use the "convert to polar cordinates" filter to bend your panorama 
into a doughnut.
  - stich the fish-eye picture in the doughnut hole.

The end.

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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 4 Jun 2012 08:44:48
Message: <4fccadc0$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/06/2012 01:25 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:

> What you meant to ask was "how do you shoot a complete spherical view
> without seeing the tripod? Then the answer is two fold:
> - there are tripods that allow you to also rotate the camera to point
> straight up or straight down.

Sure. But then you'd still see the legs.

> - the photographer can take multiple shots with the camera legs in
> different spots and then overlay those shots to take out the camera legs

Given that the whole point of the tripod in the first place is to solve 
the problem of holding the camera perfectly stationary in space while 
you shoot different angles, moving the tripod would seem to completely 
defeat that objective.

> - The photographer used the clone stamp tool to "erase" the tripod legs.

...which leaves this as the only sensible option. Of course, I've yet to 
discover a way of using the clone tool in a way that doesn't scream 
"this image has been cloned"...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 4 Jun 2012 13:27:47
Message: <4fccf013@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:44:46 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> Given that the whole point of the tripod in the first place is to solve
> the problem of holding the camera perfectly stationary in space while
> you shoot different angles, moving the tripod would seem to completely
> defeat that objective.

You don't move the tripod.  You rotate the camera on the tripod so you 
can see what's behind the tripod's legs in the first shot.

Then you overlay the second shot on the first shot to remove the legs 
from the first shot.

Easy.

Jim


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 5 Jun 2012 09:00:51
Message: <4fce0303$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2012-06-04 08:44, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
> On 04/06/2012 01:25 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>> - The photographer used the clone stamp tool to "erase" the tripod legs.
>
> ...which leaves this as the only sensible option. Of course, I've yet to
> discover a way of using the clone tool in a way that doesn't scream
> "this image has been cloned"...

A soft-edge brush helps.  As well as using the healing brush tool.

http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/atomic-clown-explosion.jpg

Apart from the fact that actual subject of the picture is impossible, I 
don't think you can tell where the clone stamp was used.

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 5 Jun 2012 14:05:01
Message: <web.4fce49a67efbccb67f3049370@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > Given that the whole point of the tripod in the first place is to solve
> > the problem of holding the camera perfectly stationary in space while
> > you shoot different angles, moving the tripod would seem to completely
> > defeat that objective.
>
> You don't move the tripod.  You rotate the camera on the tripod so you
> can see what's behind the tripod's legs in the first shot.
>
> Then you overlay the second shot on the first shot to remove the legs
> from the first shot.

Or you can do something like this guy did:
http://www.panoramas.dk/panorama/nadir/

Not exactly trivial, but with practice and planning I imagine it would be quick
to perform.


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Impossible photograph
Date: 6 Jun 2012 15:32:02
Message: <4fcfb032$1@news.povray.org>
> http://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/atomic-clown-explosion.jpg

This is the most terrifying thing I've seen today. o_O


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