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From: Darren New
Subject: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 01:43:27
Message: <4fb09b7f$1@news.povray.org>
I don't think Warp gets to complain about politics in his home country any more.

http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm

(It *is* Finland, right?)
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
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From: JimT
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 07:10:01
Message: <web.4fb0e7c69994ef1ebe7517870@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> I don't think Warp gets to complain about politics in his home country any more.
>
> http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm
>
> (It *is* Finland, right?)
> --
> Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
>    "Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
>    "Don't panic. There's beans and filters
>     in the cabinet."

Singapore: 5th for corruption, 72nd for democracy. So you can't buy politicians
and can't vote for them. What do you do?

Apparently not a problem for Eduardo Saverin (5% of Facebook) who is now a
resident of Singapore, having renounced US citizenship ahead of the Facebook
float (and subsequent tax demand).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-11/facebook-co-founder-saverin-gives-up-u-s-citizenship-before-ipo.html


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 07:18:09
Message: <4fb0e9f1$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/05/2012 12:08 PM, JimT wrote:

> Singapore: 5th for corruption, 72nd for democracy. So you can't buy politicians
> and can't vote for them. What do you do?

Apparently 1st place on the corruption list means that you are the 
/least/ corrupt country. Am I the only person who thinks this is 
counter-intuitive?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 07:25:24
Message: <4fb0eba4$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/05/2012 12:18 PM, Invisible wrote:
> On 14/05/2012 12:08 PM, JimT wrote:
>
>> Singapore: 5th for corruption, 72nd for democracy. So you can't buy
>> politicians
>> and can't vote for them. What do you do?
>
> Apparently 1st place on the corruption list means that you are the
> /least/ corrupt country. Am I the only person who thinks this is
> counter-intuitive?

No. It wasn't until I checked Nigeria's position that I realised it was 
topsy turvy.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 07:53:50
Message: <4fb0f24e$1@news.povray.org>
>> Apparently 1st place on the corruption list means that you are the
>> /least/ corrupt country. Am I the only person who thinks this is
>> counter-intuitive?
>
> No. It wasn't until I checked Nigeria's position that I realised it was
> topsy turvy.

Perhaps "integrity" would be a better heading? Or basically any other 
antonym of "corruption". :-P


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 08:02:29
Message: <4fb0f455$1@news.povray.org>

>
> Singapore: 5th for corruption, 72nd for democracy. So you can't buy politicians
> and can't vote for them. What do you do?
>

You do what you're told, and you like it.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 08:47:49
Message: <4fb0fef5$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/05/2012 12:53 PM, Invisible wrote:
> Perhaps "integrity" would be a better heading? Or basically any other
> antonym of "corruption". :-P

True.

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     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 12:48:13
Message: <4fb1374c@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> I don't think Warp gets to complain about politics in his home country any more.

> http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm

> (It *is* Finland, right?)

  All the years I have lived in Finland, I don't remember reading/hearing
about even one case of police brutality, excessive use of force, bribery
or other type of corruption. In fact, I have seen many videos (filmed by
bystanders) of police handling eg. an aggressive individual where they
handle it very carefully, in that they do not resort to extreme measures
such as stun guns or, heaven forbid, real firearms. (I even remember one
video where one of the police officers got hit in the face with a stick
and got a bloody nose. They *still* wouldn't resort to stun guns or the
like. They were able to apprehend the guy by fully unarmed means.)

  Corrupt politicians are probably not completely unheard of, but really
rare. I don't remember ever seeing some front page news about some
politician having been caught doing something illegal or dubious.

  I don't think there's even such a concept as censorship of the press.
(OTOH, the Finnish press, much like that of almost all of western Europe,
is quite left-wing, and engages in heavy self-censorship with certain
subject matters, as well as distorting and inventing stories about some
individuals, especially some politicians. OTOH, there's nothing even close
to eg. Fox News here. And nevertheless, that cannot be technically speaking
deemed as "corruption". At most the Finnish press on the large pressures
*itself* to be left-winged, rather than somebody else, eg. the government,
doing it.)

  So no, I wouldn't say there's any significant corruption in Finland.

  OTOH that doesn't mean I agree with all of the government's policies...

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 12:49:30
Message: <4fb1379a@news.povray.org>
And while we are on the subject...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlOfZL_J5fo

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Finland
Date: 14 May 2012 15:40:00
Message: <web.4fb15e969994ef1e352a052d0@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 14/05/2012 12:18 PM, Invisible wrote:
> > On 14/05/2012 12:08 PM, JimT wrote:
> >
> >> Singapore: 5th for corruption, 72nd for democracy. So you can't buy
> >> politicians
> >> and can't vote for them. What do you do?
> >
> > Apparently 1st place on the corruption list means that you are the
> > /least/ corrupt country. Am I the only person who thinks this is
> > counter-intuitive?
>
> No. It wasn't until I checked Nigeria's position that I realised it was
> topsy turvy.

same here.

BTW, best things from Finland to me are the Linux kernel and Elwood.


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