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On 03/16/2012 02:16 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 16/03/2012 5:04 PM, andrel wrote:
>> On 16-3-2012 15:57, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2012 2:38 PM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> And then of course, in everyday culture "hacking" refers only to
>>>> technical activities which are in some way /illegal/. :-P
>>>
>>> I will go with that definition ;-)
>>>
>> Yes, it is a form of hijacking. Hacking was a used to mean doing
>> something skilled. As long as that was among the small in-crowd that was
>> not a problem. The outside world started noticing this term when there
>> was interaction with the non-computer world. I.e. when they started
>> hacking other devices like telephone equipment. When computers became
>> more important people also started to notice it in the context of
>> breaking in into computers. Mostly still as a way to show it could be
>> done, not to cause harm. It is around this time that companies and
>> institutions that preferred to attack the hackers in stead of fixing the
>> issues hijacked the term and made it into something that people
>> associate with illegal.
>>
>> Nowadays there is still a group of amateur hackers, but the largest
>> scale hacking is done by governments. If that is still illegal can be
>> disputed. The chinese are constantly trying to break into every western
>> company and institution. From e.g. a US POV that is illegal, but they
>> are doing it from china and there this activity is legal. The same for
>> US intelligence services trying to hack chinese government sites.
>>
> Yes, but not necessarily skilful, in the early days. Just guessing
> passwords or trying command codes to see what would happen would be
> described as hacking.
> One example that I can remember was when I worked offshore and telephone
> calls were regulated. It was possible to dial a speed code to a company
> PABX without any restrictions applying. So you could use an internal
> phone to get international calls. Just someone messing about.
>
> I think that the rest of what you say is true.
>
well ... it's true enough that /some/ good has come from hacking
(soft/hardware) in the more benign sense, but lately, I would say the
term has taken a beating, a more negative context. Seems like it just
boils down to the fact that more folks are willing to push boundaries.
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On 3/16/2012 9:11, James Holsenback wrote:
> if we could catch them in any copy-right violations.
Reverse engineering is explicitly allowed by copyright law. Now, actually
stealing any microprocessor executable code is something different.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> On 3/16/2012 9:11, James Holsenback wrote:
> > if we could catch them in any copy-right violations.
> Reverse engineering is explicitly allowed by copyright law.
Not all countries have the same copyright law.
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- Warp
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On 3/16/2012 11:40, Warp wrote:
>> Reverse engineering is explicitly allowed by copyright law.
> Not all countries have the same copyright law.
Point to Gryphendor.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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On 3/16/2012 11:40, Warp wrote:
> Not all countries have the same copyright law.
On the other hand, the USA is certainly working to correct that flaw, eh? ;-)
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> On 3/16/2012 11:40, Warp wrote:
> > Not all countries have the same copyright law.
> On the other hand, the USA is certainly working to correct that flaw, eh? ;-)
Yeah, if someone breaks the copyright law of the USA, they will simply
demand the hosting country to extradit that person so that he can be put
in jail in the US. By using an international agreement created to fight
terrorism.
OTOH, "terrorism" nowadays means "everything we don't like".
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On 16/03/2012 7:41 PM, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> On 3/16/2012 11:40, Warp wrote:
>>> Not all countries have the same copyright law.
>
>> On the other hand, the USA is certainly working to correct that flaw, eh? ;-)
>
> Yeah, if someone breaks the copyright law of the USA, they will simply
> demand the hosting country to extradit that person so that he can be put
> in jail in the US. By using an international agreement created to fight
> terrorism.
>
> OTOH, "terrorism" nowadays means "everything we don't like".
>
Five points to Gryphendor. :-D
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Stephen
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On 16/03/2012 6:36 PM, James Holsenback wrote:
> well ... it's true enough that /some/ good has come from hacking
> (soft/hardware) in the more benign sense, but lately, I would say the
> term has taken a beating, a more negative context. Seems like it just
> boils down to the fact that more folks are willing to push boundaries.
Careful, with an attitude like that you could get extradited to the US.
Oops! I forgot. You already did. :-P
It seems to me that some people would rather use the law and a big stick
rather than do a proper job on their security.
First the war on drugs then the war on terrorism closely followed by the
war on sharing. What next, the war on not having the same opinion?
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Regards
Stephen
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> Five points to Gryphendor. :-D
For the love of God, Gryffindor.
GIYF.
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On 16/03/2012 10:04 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> Five points to Gryphendor. :-D
>
> For the love of God, Gryffindor.
>
Which God? and I'm dysloxic.
> GIYF.
LOL Get you.
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Stephen
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