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Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
> Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> > Le 2012-01-22 02:09, Warp a écrit :
> > > The day after SOPA was rejected in the US congress, the US government
> > > took down megaupload.com. Coincidence?
> > >
> > > The prevailing theory is that they were planning on taking it down for
> > > some time (after all, the bureucracy and paperwork involved in this kind
> > > of operation is not something that's done in one day) and were only
> > > waiting for SOPA to pass in order to shut down the site, so that they
> > > would have a justification. It did not pass, so no justification. However,
> > > rather than let all the hard work go to waste, they took the website down
> > > anyways.
> > >
> > Using existing laws, proving that PIPA and SOPA were unnecessary after all.
>
> And now the US government has the IP addresses if millions of people who
> have uploaded and downloaded illegal material to megaupload.com. What do
> you think they will do with those addresses?
they'll put the whole of society in jail, aside from those running jailbreakers.
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Le 23/01/2012 15:27, Warp a écrit :
> And now the US government has the IP addresses if millions of people who
> have uploaded and downloaded illegal material to megaupload.com. What do
> you think they will do with those addresses?
>
They willsold them in auction to a texas based lawyers agency,
specialised in IP prosecution.
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 05:25:43 -0500, John VanSickle wrote:
> On 1/19/2012 12:31 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:56:30 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> If they were planning to make it legal to lock Americans up without
>>> trial, *that* would be seriously disturbing.
>>
>> They already have that. It was part of the most recent defense
>> appropriations bill that was signed into law.
>>
>> Obama issued a 'signing statement' saying that his administration
>> wouldn't use indefinite detention on American citizens, but there's
>> nothing to stop the next administration from doing that.
>
> So the next President could round up the Congressmen who wrote that
> provision, toss them in prison, and tell them that they can go free when
> they repeal it.
>
> I hereby announce my candidacy...
LOL, I have to admit, I like that. :)
Jim
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:14:24 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> On 21/01/2012 02:11 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
>> The super dumb comes from the presumption that they shouldn't have to
>> have just cause, or evidence, or a court order, or anything else,
>> presumably, other than some moron's "anonymous tip".
>
> Well, it /does/ make it very much easier to quietly censor things you
> don't want people to see, right?
Not so much, no. The Internet does an amazing job "routing around
damage".
Look at the number of times and ways various organisations have tried to
shut down The Pirate Bay.
Jim
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>>> The super dumb comes from the presumption that they shouldn't have to
>>> have just cause, or evidence, or a court order, or anything else,
>>> presumably, other than some moron's "anonymous tip".
>>
>> Well, it /does/ make it very much easier to quietly censor things you
>> don't want people to see, right?
>
> Not so much, no. The Internet does an amazing job "routing around
> damage".
Sure. Any technically sophisticated Internet user won't have too much
trouble getting around the blacklist. The clueless newbies? Not so much.
> Look at the number of times and ways various organisations have tried to
> shut down The Pirate Bay.
I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
*heard* of The Pirate Bay.
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:39:32 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>>> The super dumb comes from the presumption that they shouldn't have to
>>>> have just cause, or evidence, or a court order, or anything else,
>>>> presumably, other than some moron's "anonymous tip".
>>>
>>> Well, it /does/ make it very much easier to quietly censor things you
>>> don't want people to see, right?
>>
>> Not so much, no. The Internet does an amazing job "routing around
>> damage".
>
> Sure. Any technically sophisticated Internet user won't have too much
> trouble getting around the blacklist. The clueless newbies? Not so much.
Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route around
the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
>> Look at the number of times and ways various organisations have tried
>> to shut down The Pirate Bay.
>
> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
<boggle>
Jim
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>>>> Well, it /does/ make it very much easier to quietly censor things you
>>>> don't want people to see, right?
>>>
>>> Not so much, no. The Internet does an amazing job "routing around
>>> damage".
>>
>> Sure. Any technically sophisticated Internet user won't have too much
>> trouble getting around the blacklist. The clueless newbies? Not so much.
>
> Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
> than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route around
> the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
Am I missing something?
>>> Look at the number of times and ways various organisations have tried
>>> to shut down The Pirate Bay.
>>
>> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
>> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
>
> <boggle>
What? Like it's famous or something?
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On 23/01/2012 3:44 PM, Invisible wrote:
>> Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
>> than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route around
>> the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
>
> Am I missing something?
<boggle>
>
>>>> Look at the number of times and ways various organisations have tried
>>>> to shut down The Pirate Bay.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
>>> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
>>
>> <boggle>
>
> What? Like it's famous or something?
<boggle> <boggle>
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:44:47 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>>>> Well, it /does/ make it very much easier to quietly censor things
>>>>> you don't want people to see, right?
>>>>
>>>> Not so much, no. The Internet does an amazing job "routing around
>>>> damage".
>>>
>>> Sure. Any technically sophisticated Internet user won't have too much
>>> trouble getting around the blacklist. The clueless newbies? Not so
>>> much.
>>
>> Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
>> than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route
>> around the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
>
> Am I missing something?
You were aware that Hosni Mubarak is no longer in charge in Egypt and
that they had a "small" revolution last year, weren't you?
>>>> Look at the number of times and ways various organisations have tried
>>>> to shut down The Pirate Bay.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
>>> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
>>
>> <boggle>
>
> What? Like it's famous or something?
Arguably the most famous torrent site in the world.
Jim
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>>> Actually, I don't think many of the users in Egypt were anything more
>>> than normal users, but the techies made it easy for them to route
>>> around the government-imposed outage during the uprising there.
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>
> You were aware that Hosni Mubarak is no longer in charge in Egypt and
> that they had a "small" revolution last year, weren't you?
Nope. The politics of remote countries isn't something I generally keep
up with. (Heck, the politics of *this* country isn't something I avidly
follow...)
>>>> I have to admit, Wikipedia's blackout is the very first time I'd even
>>>> *heard* of The Pirate Bay.
>>>
>>> <boggle>
>>
>> What? Like it's famous or something?
>
> Arguably the most famous torrent site in the world.
And Edgar Froese is arguably the most famous band member ever to be in
Tangerine Dream... Have *you* ever heard of him?
Fame is a relative thing.
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