In the History Channel 'UFO Files' at the end of one of the episodes a 
young man levitates a triangle induced with 50,000 volts, he said at the 
moment science can't explain it yet. On that series, a few people 
researched how to levitate wood chair and other non-magnetic stuff in in 
the passed century (1960 or later I think, I don't recall well), they 
were supposedly hired by USA military, in the episodes they show 
original footage made by the levitators.

I wonder why we don't have levitating commercial "planes", I think they 
could be safer since you don't need to fly at high altitudes since it's 
soundless, I guess carbohydrate fuel wins again, no electric cars neither.

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Even when both are clean energy.

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> In the History Channel 'UFO Files' at the end of one of the episodes a 
> young man levitates a triangle induced with 50,000 volts, he said at the 
> moment science can't explain it yet. On that series, a few people 
> researched how to levitate wood chair and other non-magnetic stuff in in 
> the passed century (1960 or later I think, I don't recall well), they 
> were supposedly hired by USA military, in the episodes they show 
> original footage made by the levitators.

  I wouldn't put too much trust in a TV show named like that.

  TV shows are made for entertainment. They lie if they have to. Everybody
knows that, yet people still fall for it.

  Now, if you give me actual references to peer-reviewed publications,
that's a different story. (And I'm not talking about the triangle levitating
thanks to the 50 kilovolts.)

> I wonder why we don't have levitating commercial "planes", I think they 
> could be safer since you don't need to fly at high altitudes since it's 
> soundless, I guess carbohydrate fuel wins again, no electric cars neither.

  There's no known physics to make a plane levitate.

  A superconductor levitates over a magnet because of the Meissner effect.
It requires a very specific set of circumstances which are quite hard, if
not impossible, to replicate for an airplane in normal outdoords conditions.
(Namely, the plane would have to be superconductive and floating above a
gigantic superpowerful magnet.)

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On 18/10/2011 10:38 PM, Warp wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U

That's just cool.

There are two things I can't figure out:

1. If it creates forces which hold the object in space, how come you can 
still move it?

2. Why does the condensation rise upwards instead of downwards? That 
makes no sense.

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On 10/19/2011 8:26, Invisible wrote:
> 1. If it creates forces which hold the object in space, how come you can
> still move it?

It holds it at the same angle relative to the magnetic field. Those lines in 
the video that get pinched going thru the superconductor are actually 
infinite in number (i.e., it's a drawing of a field, not actual lines), so 
as long as you don't try to move the pinches with respect to the field, the 
thing can move thru the field. (See, for example, the speed bump part of the 
video.)

> 2. Why does the condensation rise upwards instead of downwards? That makes
> no sense.

I thought it was the liquid nitrogen that was trapped inside the plastic 
wrap boiling off. I assumed the plastic wrap was open on the top side of the 
chip.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   How come I never get only one kudo?

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On 10/18/2011 10:39 PM, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> In the History Channel 'UFO Files' at the end of one of the episodes a
> young man levitates a triangle induced with 50,000 volts, he said at the
> moment science can't explain it yet.

If the levitating triangle was this: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft then the guy was delusional or 
flat out lying when he said that science can't explain it.  The upshot 
is that the voltage induces a slight air current through the triangle, 
and since the triangle is very lightweight this is sufficient to lift 
it. I believe it's not currently practical for "real-life" use because 
the voltage source would weigh significantly more than the lift it 
generates (which is why the demos you see are powered by an external 
voltage source).

As an aside, I believe the Mythbusters covered the ionocraft in an 
episode on levitation techniques.  If I remember correctly the craft 
worked, but took a large voltage supply to operate and, as you would 
expect, didn't operate in a vacuum.

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On 10/19/2011 9:29 AM, Darren New wrote:
> Those
> lines in the video that get pinched going thru the superconductor are
> actually infinite in number

I know jack-all about superconductors, so take this with a positively 
enormous grain of salt, but I think this isn't accurate.  The particular 
sort of levitation that you see in the video is an example of flux 
pinning, and is only possible with a particular type of superconductor 
(a type II superconductor) with defects in its crystal structure.  These 
material defects are what traps the "lines" of magnetic flux relative to 
the superconductor.  Since there would only be a finite number of such 
defects, there would be a finite number of "lines" where the field is 
trapped as illustrated in the video.

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On 10/19/2011 10:13, Kevin Wampler wrote:
> there would be a finite number of "lines" where the field is trapped as
> illustrated in the video.

Yes, but there are an infinite number of *possible* lines, so to speak. 
There isn't a flux line every millimeter, with no ability for the device to 
jump from one flux line to the next that's a millimeter away, in other words.

As long as the finite number of discrete flaws don't move to a different 
strength of field, the device can move freely.

I.e., the confusion seems to be that someone thinks the flux lines are like 
the lines you get sprinkling iron filings around a bar magnet and thinking 
there's no magnetism between the filings.

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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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Warp wrote:
> Saul Luizaga<sau### [at] netscapenet>  wrote:
>> In the History Channel 'UFO Files' at the end of one of the episodes a
>> young man levitates a triangle induced with 50,000 volts, he said at the
>> moment science can't explain it yet. On that series, a few people
>> researched how to levitate wood chair and other non-magnetic stuff in in
>> the passed century (1960 or later I think, I don't recall well), they
>> were supposedly hired by USA military, in the episodes they show
>> original footage made by the levitators.
>
>    I wouldn't put too much trust in a TV show named like that.
>
>    TV shows are made for entertainment. They lie if they have to. Everybody
> knows that, yet people still fall for it.
>
>    Now, if you give me actual references to peer-reviewed publications,
> that's a different story. (And I'm not talking about the triangle levitating
> thanks to the 50 kilovolts.)

Well I have tried to research how true are some the things showed and 
some are lies and others are true, but why would military will hide the 
research of people that levitated wood? that's anti-gravity and of 
course powerful technology if you can make a fighter with it which is 
probably what some paranoid military people thought when they took that 
away as soon it was known.

  You'll never get proof from things like this, is always a little shady 
but they have reasonable believable capability if you dig enough. 
Another case was the Roswell UFO fragment that was recorded in a 
cassette long ago in a unique interview in the '90s when the secretary 
that was shown the material took it in his hands and when she deformed 
it, it returned to its original shape and was told it was a space craft 
piece, she had a agreement to never talk about it, she said something 
like: "What are they gonna do to me, through me in jail or kill me? I 
think I can handle either one", she was at the time very old 70+ years, 
I think that was real adn I'm absolutely sure the 'Area 51' is 
developing secret military devices and hiding extraterrestrial UFO info 
all evidence points to that, just like the Big Bang Theory. 'Area 51' 
was admitted to exist by USA Gov. by a trail that it was won by skillful 
lawyer that defensed really sick, even terminal people that worked in a 
"non-existent Military facility", most of those people must have died by 
now and THAT is not fiction at all, they worked like 20-30+ years ago, 
there and got poisoned by radioactive and toxic waste they were in 
charge of disposal and the Gov. fired some of them for being sick, and 
didn't want to recognize they did it, nice huh? another powerful reason 
to not believe Governments of any Country, you have to be watchful always.


Is a interesting series that recollects from respected Ufologists and 
testimonials from people that had first contact, The Pacific Triangle, 
UFO in other Countries, like England ("England Roswell"), Brazil 
military documented people killed by UFOs, UFO today scientific analysis 
of a possible UFO craft with Michio Kaku helping describing some 
phenomena and other scientist, etc, I suggest you buy it or torrent it.

If you're only paying attention to things that you can prove 
scientifically or is scientifically accepted you're missing a great deal 
that science can't explain and is part of nature: Extraterrestrial life, 
alien spacecrafts & ghosts, etc. You don't believe them? fine, but there 
are indications of it all over the world and people doing scams don't 
mean is all false. Take the crop circles, the simpler ones are true UFO 
making because of the impossible way they're made of; impossible as in 
no human could bend & leave a little radiation that way; proof no, 
reasonable doubt, oh yes.

>> I wonder why we don't have levitating commercial "planes", I think they
>> could be safer since you don't need to fly at high altitudes since it's
>> soundless, I guess carbohydrate fuel wins again, no electric cars neither.
>
>    There's no known physics to make a plane levitate.
>
>    A superconductor levitates over a magnet because of the Meissner effect.
> It requires a very specific set of circumstances which are quite hard, if
> not impossible, to replicate for an airplane in normal outdoords conditions.
> (Namely, the plane would have to be superconductive and floating above a
> gigantic superpowerful magnet.)

Anti-gravity is something that I've seen all over the Internet some 
people have made it and that most if not all cases have been hidden by 
Gov. or Military specially in USA, the concept and experiments are not 
new, at least 50 years at the seems, but of course everyone that makes 
"UFO science" is discouraged with a "bullets are so cheap" or you dying 
of a mysterious or "natural" "heart attack" as probably happened to the 
lead actor of the series ____ that according to people was the closest 
to the truth someone ever made it a TV series.

This anti-gravity maybe could be fused or have a base on this magnetic 
locking or other super-conductivity experiments/theories, but as I wrote 
before, some technologies would kill current technologies eventually and 
trillions would be lost in current investments, maybe massive layoffs, 
huge economic quakes and desperation to get into the new developed tech 
could lead to a hard to handle chaotic society worldwide, if done the 
wrong way in this monetary system, which is something politician will 
do, part due to their natural incompetence of most of them and part 
because they will seen as the "saviors" of society, being the best a 
politicians would want for themselves, which in turn is power and power 
is money, this being their goal.

I honestly think that until we find a way to share resources in a better 
way, giving to the poor but not spoiling them and taking from the rich 
in a proportionate, efficient and fair for all ways, economic interests, 
hence money, is reason for doing or not things in this world. But 
monetary systems are long term self destructive systems as I have 
learned and will progress i the line of economic ways until that system 
collapses and maybe we can implement another that allows better 
implementation of a science-based economy/society I think then will make 
true progress in technology.

  You made a post a few months ago about this 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY and I did already see the 
video by the time I saw your post but the server won't let reply because 
it said it was too old, nobody replied it, yes nobody wants to see the 
drama of some realities in life. This video and other about Resource 
Based Economy tell how the economic system work and how it doesn't, so I 
know a little this is the root of many problems today.

This method alone would be of course stupid to try to make it work as a 
car-size vehicle to transport anything but it look promising, I hope 
someday scientists can make a practical use of it and Gov./Mil wont take 
it away.

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Yes that's the one. I forgot to tell that the guy was really young and 
that he told that it was believed that the electric field caused ionized 
the air around and made it lighter so it was pushed down generating 
lift. I can't believe there is no way till now to by any scientist to 
make a use of this and make a damn car, maybe it would generate more 
problems that solutions, people bumping on each other's cars... Imagine 
a 8 line highway car accident!

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