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>> Oh, wait - I thought you meant you *actually* run a marathon one a year.
>> o_O
>
> No big deal, it is only about 115 meters per day.
Hmm. When you put it like that... even *I* probably walk further than
that on most days...
>>> Not all stories are intended to be 'happy'.
>>
>> Yeah, that's the part I never understood. If I /wanted/ to be unhappy, I
>> could just look at reality. I mean, in a few years' time I'm going to
>> die, alone and unloved, and nobody is going to care. That's prety much
>> sadder than anything any story writer can come up with.
>
> Says the guy who has a girlfriend.
Who, me? Nope; I'm completely single...
> Episode 3 is one of the most difficult films ever made from a scripting
> point of view.
Well, there's not much argument about that.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:04:16 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 9/27/2011 14:02, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> It's also clear that the Emperor was pushing his buttons all along,
>
> I found that when watching the prequels, it makes way more sense if you
> think of them as being about Palpintine instead of Anikin. (Or however
> you spell those.)
That does make sense....
Jim
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:32:32 -0400, Alain wrote:
> Le 2011/09/29 12:22, nemesis a écrit :
>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:33:11 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> As an example, episode 3 does not really convey very well *why*
>>>>>> Anakin
>>>>>> chose the dark side.
>>>>> I think it could've been done better, sure - but I do think that the
>>>>> story did convey Annikin's reasons for switching pretty well.
>>>> This is the Metacritic effect I spoke of in another thread... Humans
>>>> are so utterly subjective, man!
>>>
>>> Absolutely, man! ;)
>>
>> They are not.
>
> The answer depends on your point of view. So, you are all both right
> *AND* wrong ;P
Hmm, so you're saying it's subjective. ;)
Jim
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:45:25 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> I watched the extended versions of all three LotR films in the same
>>> day once.
>>>
>>> I felt like I just ran a marathon or something...
>>
>> We do that once a year (this year twice, because we got the Blu-Ray
>> versions). It is a marathon, has to be started around 9 AM to finish
>> at a reasonable time. :)
>
> Oh, wait - I thought you meant you *actually* run a marathon one a year.
> o_O
Um, no. I don't have that kind of energy or ambition.
>>> That's the thing about Episode 3. Who wants to see a guy go mad and
>>> become evil? That's not a very happy story...
>>
>> Not all stories are intended to be 'happy'.
>
> Yeah, that's the part I never understood. If I /wanted/ to be unhappy, I
> could just look at reality. I mean, in a few years' time I'm going to
> die, alone and unloved, and nobody is going to care. That's prety much
> sadder than anything any story writer can come up with.
>
> I want stories as a /escape/ from reality. :-P
Some people like stories that are more like reality. I like when good/
evil is not clear cut.
>> Empire Strikes Back ends
>> with the rebels getting their asses handed to them. Not exactly a
>> cheerful ending, but most consider it the best of the 6 films.
>
> Um... it ends with the rebels describing the AWESOME PLAN they've
> hatched to epically overthrow the Empire. Which worked, by the way.
> Sounds like a pretty up-beat ending to me...
Seems like you saw a different film than I did. The rebels lost Hoth,
Luke lost his hand, Cloud City was in the hands of the Empire, Han Solo
was encased in Carbonite and needed to be rescued, and the rebels were
scattered across the galaxy.
Yeah, a *lot* to be happy about there.
>> I was glad that episode 3 ended the way it did - how else could it have
>> ended, given what the audience knows about Vader after episode 6?
>
> Well, that's the other thing. It's like watching Titanic. Everybody
> dies. You know that before the opening titles. So why bother watching?
Having the ending spoiled, for many people, doesn't ruin the film/story,
because it's about how they got there, rather than what the ending was.
Of the prequel films, I enjoyed the third the most *because* I knew where
it was going.
Jim
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>> Oh, wait - I thought you meant you *actually* run a marathon one a year.
>> o_O
>
> Um, no. I don't have that kind of energy or ambition.
Hahaha. :-D
>> I want stories as a /escape/ from reality. :-P
>
> Some people like stories that are more like reality. I like when good/
> evil is not clear cut.
I've noticed that a huge number of films have an evil guy who is evil
JUST TO BE EVIL. The real world doesn't work like that. Nobody does evil
things just because they want to be as evil as possible. They do it for
a *reason*. Even Hitler had reasons for doing what he did. I mean,
really poor reasons, but reasons none the less.
>>> Empire Strikes Back ends
>>> with the rebels getting their asses handed to them. Not exactly a
>>> cheerful ending, but most consider it the best of the 6 films.
>>
>> Um... it ends with the rebels describing the AWESOME PLAN they've
>> hatched to epically overthrow the Empire. Which worked, by the way.
>> Sounds like a pretty up-beat ending to me...
>
> Seems like you saw a different film than I did. The rebels lost Hoth,
> Luke lost his hand, Cloud City was in the hands of the Empire, Han Solo
> was encased in Carbonite and needed to be rescued, and the rebels were
> scattered across the galaxy.
>
> Yeah, a *lot* to be happy about there.
Sheesh, and people call *me* a pessimist...
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On 9/30/2011 0:57, Invisible wrote:
> Nobody does evil things
> just because they want to be as evil as possible. They do it for a *reason*.
There are very very few evil people. Selfish, yes, but very little actual
evil. Nobody thinks of themselves as evil.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:57:20 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> I want stories as a /escape/ from reality. :-P
>>
>> Some people like stories that are more like reality. I like when good/
>> evil is not clear cut.
>
> I've noticed that a huge number of films have an evil guy who is evil
> JUST TO BE EVIL. The real world doesn't work like that. Nobody does evil
> things just because they want to be as evil as possible. They do it for
> a *reason*. Even Hitler had reasons for doing what he did. I mean,
> really poor reasons, but reasons none the less.
Well, we judge them as really poor reasons, certainly. He obviously
didn't.
But <lafontaine> in a world where people just want to be entertained,
'evil' character's motiviations are less important</lafontaine>
>>>> Empire Strikes Back ends
>>>> with the rebels getting their asses handed to them. Not exactly a
>>>> cheerful ending, but most consider it the best of the 6 films.
>>>
>>> Um... it ends with the rebels describing the AWESOME PLAN they've
>>> hatched to epically overthrow the Empire. Which worked, by the way.
>>> Sounds like a pretty up-beat ending to me...
>>
>> Seems like you saw a different film than I did. The rebels lost Hoth,
>> Luke lost his hand, Cloud City was in the hands of the Empire, Han Solo
>> was encased in Carbonite and needed to be rescued, and the rebels were
>> scattered across the galaxy.
>>
>> Yeah, a *lot* to be happy about there.
>
> Sheesh, and people call *me* a pessimist...
There's a difference when talking about a work of fiction and real
life. ;)
Jim
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On 30/09/2011 05:36 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 9/30/2011 0:57, Invisible wrote:
>> Nobody does evil things
>> just because they want to be as evil as possible. They do it for a
>> *reason*.
>
> There are very very few evil people. Selfish, yes, but very little
> actual evil.
Agreed.
> Nobody thinks of themselves as evil.
Oh, I'm not so sure.
There are people who think of themselves as Napolean. I'm sure there are
lots of severely depressed people who genuinely believe they are evil.
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:04:54 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> On 30/09/2011 05:36 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 9/30/2011 0:57, Invisible wrote:
>>> Nobody does evil things
>>> just because they want to be as evil as possible. They do it for a
>>> *reason*.
>>
>> There are very very few evil people. Selfish, yes, but very little
>> actual evil.
>
> Agreed.
>
>> Nobody thinks of themselves as evil.
>
> Oh, I'm not so sure.
>
> There are people who think of themselves as Napolean. I'm sure there are
> lots of severely depressed people who genuinely believe they are evil.
No, most severely depressed people genuinely believe they're worthless.
Jim
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Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
> The Distressed Watcher's
> take on the trilogy, while still at points a bit over-the-top, seemed more
> rational than anything else I have seen, and has actually convinced me a
> bit that perhaps they aren't such great movies after all.
Btw, since he quit TGWTG it's a bit hard to find the videos, so here are
direct links to all 9 parts:
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/the-phantom-menace-part-one-3593824
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/the-phantom-menace-part-two-3630540
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/the-phantom-menace-part-three-3691839
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/attack-of-the-clones-part-1-3708436
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/attack-of-the-clones-part-2-3715758
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/attack-of-the-clones-part-3-3726051
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/revenge-of-the-sith-part-1-3766936
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/revenge-of-the-sith-part-2-3775762
http://blip.tv/thedistressedwatcher/revenge-of-the-sith-part-3-3784932
--
- Warp
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