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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Date: 29 Sep 2011 13:04:07
Message: <4e84a507@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:22:07 -0300, nemesis wrote:
> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:33:11 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>
>>>>> As an example, episode 3 does not really convey very well *why*
>>>>> Anakin
>>>>> chose the dark side.
>>>> I think it could've been done better, sure - but I do think that the
>>>> story did convey Annikin's reasons for switching pretty well.
>>> This is the Metacritic effect I spoke of in another thread... Humans
>>> are so utterly subjective, man!
>>
>> Absolutely, man! ;)
>
> They are not.
Are so! ;)
Jim
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Le 2011/09/29 12:22, nemesis a écrit :
> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:33:11 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>
>>>>> As an example, episode 3 does not really convey very well *why*
>>>>> Anakin
>>>>> chose the dark side.
>>>> I think it could've been done better, sure - but I do think that the
>>>> story did convey Annikin's reasons for switching pretty well.
>>> This is the Metacritic effect I spoke of in another thread... Humans are
>>> so utterly subjective, man!
>>
>> Absolutely, man! ;)
>
> They are not.
The answer depends on your point of view. So, you are all both right
*AND* wrong ;P
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>>>> This is the Metacritic effect I spoke of in another thread... Humans
>>>> are so utterly subjective, man!
>>>
>>> Absolutely, man! ;)
>>
>> They are not.
>
> The answer depends on your point of view. So, you are all both right
> *AND* wrong ;P
Ah, the Law of the Excluded Middle...
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> I watched the extended versions of all three LotR films in the same day
>> once.
>>
>> I felt like I just ran a marathon or something...
>
> We do that once a year (this year twice, because we got the Blu-Ray
> versions). It is a marathon, has to be started around 9 AM to finish at
> a reasonable time. :)
Oh, wait - I thought you meant you *actually* run a marathon one a year. o_O
>> That's the thing about Episode 3. Who wants to see a guy go mad and
>> become evil? That's not a very happy story...
>
> Not all stories are intended to be 'happy'.
Yeah, that's the part I never understood. If I /wanted/ to be unhappy, I
could just look at reality. I mean, in a few years' time I'm going to
die, alone and unloved, and nobody is going to care. That's prety much
sadder than anything any story writer can come up with.
I want stories as a /escape/ from reality. :-P
> Empire Strikes Back ends
> with the rebels getting their asses handed to them. Not exactly a
> cheerful ending, but most consider it the best of the 6 films.
Um... it ends with the rebels describing the AWESOME PLAN they've
hatched to epically overthrow the Empire. Which worked, by the way.
Sounds like a pretty up-beat ending to me...
> I was glad that episode 3 ended the way it did - how else could it have
> ended, given what the audience knows about Vader after episode 6?
Well, that's the other thing. It's like watching Titanic. Everybody
dies. You know that before the opening titles. So why bother watching?
(Unless you're like those kids who were overheard laughing at the idea
that the events debated REALLY DID HAPPEN...)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 9/28/2011 13:40, nemesis wrote:
> It starts in the 3rd episode
Not originally. There was no "Episode IV" in the first release of the film.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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On 9/27/2011 14:02, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> It's also clear that the Emperor was pushing
> his buttons all along,
I found that when watching the prequels, it makes way more sense if you
think of them as being about Palpintine instead of Anikin. (Or however you
spell those.)
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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On 29-9-2011 21:45, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> I watched the extended versions of all three LotR films in the same day
>>> once.
>>>
>>> I felt like I just ran a marathon or something...
>>
>> We do that once a year (this year twice, because we got the Blu-Ray
>> versions). It is a marathon, has to be started around 9 AM to finish at
>> a reasonable time. :)
>
> Oh, wait - I thought you meant you *actually* run a marathon one a year.
> o_O
No big deal, it is only about 115 meters per day.
>>> That's the thing about Episode 3. Who wants to see a guy go mad and
>>> become evil? That's not a very happy story...
>>
>> Not all stories are intended to be 'happy'.
>
> Yeah, that's the part I never understood. If I /wanted/ to be unhappy, I
> could just look at reality. I mean, in a few years' time I'm going to
> die, alone and unloved, and nobody is going to care. That's prety much
> sadder than anything any story writer can come up with.
Says the guy who has a girlfriend.
> I want stories as a /escape/ from reality. :-P
>
>> Empire Strikes Back ends
>> with the rebels getting their asses handed to them. Not exactly a
>> cheerful ending, but most consider it the best of the 6 films.
>
> Um... it ends with the rebels describing the AWESOME PLAN they've
> hatched to epically overthrow the Empire. Which worked, by the way.
> Sounds like a pretty up-beat ending to me...
>
>> I was glad that episode 3 ended the way it did - how else could it have
>> ended, given what the audience knows about Vader after episode 6?
>
> Well, that's the other thing. It's like watching Titanic. Everybody
> dies. You know that before the opening titles. So why bother watching?
>
> (Unless you're like those kids who were overheard laughing at the idea
> that the events debated REALLY DID HAPPEN...)
Episode 3 is one of the most difficult films ever made from a scripting
point of view. The entire audience knows all the characters and all they
have done. There are numerous of gaps between 2 and 4 and you have to
fill them all and still make something interesting, preferably adding
new ideas in the little time that remains between the must do's.
--
Apparently you can afford your own dictator for less than 10 cents per
citizen per day.
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>> Oh, wait - I thought you meant you *actually* run a marathon one a year.
>> o_O
>
> No big deal, it is only about 115 meters per day.
Hmm. When you put it like that... even *I* probably walk further than
that on most days...
>>> Not all stories are intended to be 'happy'.
>>
>> Yeah, that's the part I never understood. If I /wanted/ to be unhappy, I
>> could just look at reality. I mean, in a few years' time I'm going to
>> die, alone and unloved, and nobody is going to care. That's prety much
>> sadder than anything any story writer can come up with.
>
> Says the guy who has a girlfriend.
Who, me? Nope; I'm completely single...
> Episode 3 is one of the most difficult films ever made from a scripting
> point of view.
Well, there's not much argument about that.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:04:16 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 9/27/2011 14:02, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> It's also clear that the Emperor was pushing his buttons all along,
>
> I found that when watching the prequels, it makes way more sense if you
> think of them as being about Palpintine instead of Anikin. (Or however
> you spell those.)
That does make sense....
Jim
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:32:32 -0400, Alain wrote:
> Le 2011/09/29 12:22, nemesis a écrit :
>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:33:11 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> As an example, episode 3 does not really convey very well *why*
>>>>>> Anakin
>>>>>> chose the dark side.
>>>>> I think it could've been done better, sure - but I do think that the
>>>>> story did convey Annikin's reasons for switching pretty well.
>>>> This is the Metacritic effect I spoke of in another thread... Humans
>>>> are so utterly subjective, man!
>>>
>>> Absolutely, man! ;)
>>
>> They are not.
>
> The answer depends on your point of view. So, you are all both right
> *AND* wrong ;P
Hmm, so you're saying it's subjective. ;)
Jim
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