On 11-10-2011 21:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>>
>> you are showing your age.
>
> Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}

Too young to have met with a VT100 and too old to have met Google.


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On 11/10/2011 07:46 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 1:29, Invisible wrote:
>> So how do you connect to it if it's behind two hardware firewalls plus
>> the Windows Firewall?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teredo_tunneling

OK... so if you implement IPv6, you can tunnel it over UDP. Not quite 
sure how that relates to the fact that inbound UDP is blocked at the 
firewall...

> Your incredulity fortunately does not eliminate the encryption.

That's very reassuring.

>>> That's kind of stupid. You'd be better off with no admin password at
>>> all.
>>
>> Well, yeah. Except that most things that ask you to log in as admin
>> tend not to work if the password is blank.
>
> Ding ding ding! That's what I meant. ;-)
>
>> (No, I have no idea why.)
>
> Because it's insecure.

Um... shouldn't that be /my/ decision? Like, if I'm running a test 
system or something which doesn't /need/ a password, why am I still 
forced to set one?

OK, wait a sec... I just remembered the target audience... As you were.

>> Still, when it's
>> impossible to log in at all unless you're in the building,
>
> Since you weren't aware that Teredo goes thru NAT and firewalls, chances
> are it's not impossible to log in if you aren't in the building.

Are you suggesting that this nuclear warhead is actually turned on by 
default?

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On 11/10/2011 08:21 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 11-10-2011 21:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>>>
>>> you are showing your age.
>>
>> Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}
>
> Too young to have met with a VT100 and too old to have met Google.

I was under the general impression that the VT100 was "expensive". 
Although I'm not sure exactly where I got that impression from. But 
anyway, rather too expensive for anybody to just have one laying around 
in their house...

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On 10/11/2011 12:10, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I suppose Windows also doesn't stop responding when you change your TCP/IP
> configuration settings?

Um, no?

> (Actually, that one seems to vary. On some
> computers, you change it and it doesn't even blink. On others, you change it
> and have to sit there for multiple minutes before it wakes up again...)

Maybe your DHCP server is hosed up or something?

>> And the whole GUI doesn't lock up; at
>> most, explorer waits for the CD to spin up. Again, it's that
>> overgeneralization. :-)
>
> Since Explorer is 90% of the Windows GUI, that's not a particularly drastic
> difference...

Only if you don't interact with actual programs. Saying "the GUI locks up" 
on Linux, for example, means every program stops responding because you just 
crashed the X server.

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On 10/11/2011 12:21, andrel wrote:
> On 11-10-2011 21:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>>>
>>> you are showing your age.
>>
>> Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}
>
> Too young to have met with a VT100 and too old to have met Google.

Ow!

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On 10/11/2011 12:14, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 08:08 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 10/11/2011 12:01, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>> a product that you already have lying around and try to sell it to a
>>>>> completely different audience...
>>>>
>>>> You'll notice that Blender is free, right?
>>>
>>> Sure. That doesn't mean it's well designed. ;-)
>>
>> It also means it isn't being sold to a different audience than it was
>> built for.
>
> Would it make you happier if I change "sold" to "provided to"?

Then it's not really a bad management decision, is it?  Is it a bad 
management decision to give to charity the curtains that no longer match 
your decoration after you've painted your house? I mean, shouldn't you have 
gotten the right color curtains in the first place, that would match both 
paint colors?

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On 10/11/2011 12:23, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> OK... so if you implement IPv6, you can tunnel it over UDP. Not quite sure
> how that relates to the fact that inbound UDP is blocked at the firewall...

Well, you *can* block it. It just, be default, isn't normally blocked.

Really, go on, give it a try. Not at your work's firewall, but from behind a 
normal user firewall of the type that would be used by someone who doesn't 
know what "mouse click" means.

>> Your incredulity fortunately does not eliminate the encryption.
>
> That's very reassuring.

Well, I'd point you to the open source client implementation, but you'd 
probably not believe that either.

> OK, wait a sec... I just remembered the target audience... As you were.

Exactly.

> Are you suggesting that this nuclear warhead is actually turned on by default?

You mean, the ability for programs on two cooperating machines to bypass 
both their firewalls and NATs? Yes.

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On 11/10/2011 08:41 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 12:10, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> I suppose Windows also doesn't stop responding when you change your
>> TCP/IP
>> configuration settings?
>
> Um, no?
>
>> (Actually, that one seems to vary. On some
>> computers, you change it and it doesn't even blink. On others, you
>> change it
>> and have to sit there for multiple minutes before it wakes up again...)
>
> Maybe your DHCP server is hosed up or something?

It seems to be more common with laptops, so maybe it's related to Wi-Fi 
or something... Or maybe I'm imaginig that part.

>> Since Explorer is 90% of the Windows GUI, that's not a particularly
>> drastic difference...
>
> Only if you don't interact with actual programs. Saying "the GUI locks
> up" on Linux, for example, means every program stops responding because
> you just crashed the X server.

OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and 
Alt+Tab isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's 
happening, I can't lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do 
anything]. But sure, if I happen to have an application open, maybe it 
stays running. [I haven't ever tested that.]

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>> Are you suggesting that this nuclear warhead is actually turned on by
>> default?
>
> You mean, the ability for programs on two cooperating machines to bypass
> both their firewalls and NATs? Yes.

So Microsoft has secretly implemented an undocumented system to allow 
any unauthenticated Internet node to bypass all security restrictions 
and access any port on a Windows PC? And they've turned this on by 
default in every Windows installation in the land?

...now I'm scared. o_O

(Although I still don't quite get how it can bypass a firewall that 
doesn't allow inbound traffic. Still, Wikipedia says it does, so it must 
be true.)

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On 10/11/2011 12:58, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> It seems to be more common with laptops, so maybe it's related to Wi-Fi or
> something... Or maybe I'm imaginig that part.

Lots of laptops come with crapware "device drivers" that try to do what 
Microsoft's drivers already do just fine.

> OK. I can't change window [because the task bar isn't working, and Alt+Tab
> isn't working], I can't open Task Manager to see what's happening, I can't
> lock or unlock the screen [Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't do anything]. But sure, if I
> happen to have an application open, maybe it stays running. [I haven't ever
> tested that.]

I have never had any of the problems you're describing, nor do I know anyone 
else who has. Not since Win98, at least.  Maybe you should look in your 
event manager and see what's happening.

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