On 10/11/2011 12:01, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> a product that you already have lying around and try to sell it to a
>>> completely different audience...
>>
>> You'll notice that Blender is free, right?
>
> Sure. That doesn't mean it's well designed. ;-)

It also means it isn't being sold to a different audience than it was built for.

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>> Sure. I mean, I've been seeing this behaviour on a daily basis for
>> over ten years now. Obviously I'm mistaken.
>
> Just because your system is broken doesn't mean everyones' is.

Yeah, true. Every Windows system I've ever worked with in my life just 
happens to be "broken" in the same way. That's completely plausible...

> Windows never "locked up" for me while looking for DHCP

I suppose Windows also doesn't stop responding when you change your 
TCP/IP configuration settings? (Actually, that one seems to vary. On 
some computers, you change it and it doesn't even blink. On others, you 
change it and have to sit there for multiple minutes before it wakes up 
again...)

> And the whole GUI doesn't lock up; at
> most, explorer waits for the CD to spin up. Again, it's that
> overgeneralization. :-)

Since Explorer is 90% of the Windows GUI, that's not a particularly 
drastic difference...

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On 11/10/2011 08:08 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 12:01, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> a product that you already have lying around and try to sell it to a
>>>> completely different audience...
>>>
>>> You'll notice that Blender is free, right?
>>
>> Sure. That doesn't mean it's well designed. ;-)
>
> It also means it isn't being sold to a different audience than it was
> built for.

Would it make you happier if I change "sold" to "provided to"?

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>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>
> you are showing your age.

Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}

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On 11-10-2011 21:08, Darren New wrote:

> It also means it isn't being sold to a different audience than it was
> built for.
>

Missed most of the communication on Blender (lack of time forces me to 
stop reading deep down levels of long communications).
Just dropping in here that Blender is very useable, provided that you 
work with it for some time. Unlike perhaps other software where the 
learning curve is shallower but much longer.

I have two students now to create some models, one mainly using Blender 
and one Maya. We will be playing around for one month and then decide 
which one we are going to use for the rest of their internship. It is 
not a clear cut win for Maya so far.


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On 11-10-2011 21:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>>
>> you are showing your age.
>
> Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}

Too young to have met with a VT100 and too old to have met Google.


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On 11/10/2011 07:46 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 1:29, Invisible wrote:
>> So how do you connect to it if it's behind two hardware firewalls plus
>> the Windows Firewall?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teredo_tunneling

OK... so if you implement IPv6, you can tunnel it over UDP. Not quite 
sure how that relates to the fact that inbound UDP is blocked at the 
firewall...

> Your incredulity fortunately does not eliminate the encryption.

That's very reassuring.

>>> That's kind of stupid. You'd be better off with no admin password at
>>> all.
>>
>> Well, yeah. Except that most things that ask you to log in as admin
>> tend not to work if the password is blank.
>
> Ding ding ding! That's what I meant. ;-)
>
>> (No, I have no idea why.)
>
> Because it's insecure.

Um... shouldn't that be /my/ decision? Like, if I'm running a test 
system or something which doesn't /need/ a password, why am I still 
forced to set one?

OK, wait a sec... I just remembered the target audience... As you were.

>> Still, when it's
>> impossible to log in at all unless you're in the building,
>
> Since you weren't aware that Teredo goes thru NAT and firewalls, chances
> are it's not impossible to log in if you aren't in the building.

Are you suggesting that this nuclear warhead is actually turned on by 
default?

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On 11/10/2011 08:21 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 11-10-2011 21:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>>>
>>> you are showing your age.
>>
>> Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}
>
> Too young to have met with a VT100 and too old to have met Google.

I was under the general impression that the VT100 was "expensive". 
Although I'm not sure exactly where I got that impression from. But 
anyway, rather too expensive for anybody to just have one laying around 
in their house...

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On 10/11/2011 12:10, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I suppose Windows also doesn't stop responding when you change your TCP/IP
> configuration settings?

Um, no?

> (Actually, that one seems to vary. On some
> computers, you change it and it doesn't even blink. On others, you change it
> and have to sit there for multiple minutes before it wakes up again...)

Maybe your DHCP server is hosed up or something?

>> And the whole GUI doesn't lock up; at
>> most, explorer waits for the CD to spin up. Again, it's that
>> overgeneralization. :-)
>
> Since Explorer is 90% of the Windows GUI, that's not a particularly drastic
> difference...

Only if you don't interact with actual programs. Saying "the GUI locks up" 
on Linux, for example, means every program stops responding because you just 
crashed the X server.

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On 10/11/2011 12:21, andrel wrote:
> On 11-10-2011 21:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Uh, what's a serial terminal? Also, what's a kernel debugger?
>>>
>>> you are showing your age.
>>
>> Well, yes... I thought it was common knowledge? :-}
>
> Too young to have met with a VT100 and too old to have met Google.

Ow!

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