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On 7/13/2011 13:57, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> The writing system has over eight million characters, and it's *still*
> ambiguous?
It's still ambiguous without the context of a surrounding sentence.
Is "use" a verb or a noun? Is "read" present or past tense? Same thing.
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"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:56:34 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 13/07/2011 07:54 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> I was going to say, "Andrew Lloyd Webber" and "epic masterpiece" create
>> a fair amount of cognitive dissonance for me - those two things don't
>> really belong in the same sentence, IMNSHO.
>
> Yeah, weirdly a couple of people have voiced this incomprehensible
> opinion...
What's so incomprehensible about it? ALW's music has no redeeming
musical qualities that I've ever heard, basically a sort of feel-good-pop-
crap musical style.
Even hearing the name triggers my gag reflex.
Jim
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On 7/13/2011 16:13, Jim Henderson wrote:
> feel-good-pop-crap musical style.
Phantom of the Opera? Feel good pop crap?
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:57:41 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 16:13, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> feel-good-pop-crap musical style.
>
> Phantom of the Opera? Feel good pop crap?
OK, one possible exception (I don't know that one very well).
Jim
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:27:42 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:57:41 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>
>> On 7/13/2011 16:13, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> feel-good-pop-crap musical style.
>>
>> Phantom of the Opera? Feel good pop crap?
>
> OK, one possible exception (I don't know that one very well).
OK, and some of the stuff from Evita.
My perception is a bit colored, though, because I was required to play
"Memory" from _Cats_ in orchestra several years, and the simplified
version grated on me (and made me dislike the song and the composer .
Then to hear bits of things like "Jesus Christ Superstar" and "Joseph and
the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" - *those* definitely are puke-inducing
for me and fit my earlier description.
Jim
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On 13/07/2011 1:22 AM, Darren New wrote:
>> (Britons would have a fun time watching a Finn trying to pronounce
>> "Worcestershire".)
>
> Everyone has fun watching people say that one. ;-)
>
> There's a saying in the USA:
> In Texas, "yep" is three syllables. In Boston, "Worcestershire" is one.
Having been working in NM near the Texas border. I can confirm that
"yep" has three syllables.
How would you pronounce Milngavie, a town in Scotland?
Wikipedia makes a good stab at it.
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Stephen
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On 11/07/2011 3:29 PM, Tom Galvin wrote:
> On 7/8/2011 3:08 AM, Invisible wrote:
>
>>
>> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can determine, an "oreo"
>> is an obscure brand of biscuit. So... WTF?
>
> Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
In the UK it is "Bounty Bar"
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:29:19 -0600, Tom Galvin wrote:
> On 7/8/2011 3:08 AM, Invisible wrote:
>
>
>> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can determine, an "oreo"
>> is an obscure brand of biscuit. So... WTF?
>
> Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
I hadn't heard that - but I have heard it as a proposed "combined" name
for the cities of Orem and Provo here in Utah. (The two towns are
neighbors and there's no really straightforward demarcation at the
boundary between them, like so many neighboring cities/towns these days).
Jim
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On 13/07/2011 06:41 PM, nemesis wrote:
> Invisible escreveu:
>>> Take the lyrics of almost any song, remove the music and you get a poem.
>>
>> Yes. And typically not a very good one.
>
> precisely, yes. Lyrics is typically a bad poem relying on bad music and
> sugared chorus to try to make any impact at all.
We're not bitter here. :-P
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On 14/07/2011 04:06 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> My perception is a bit colored, though, because I was required to play
> "Memory" from _Cats_ in orchestra several years, and the simplified
> version grated on me (and made me dislike the song and the composer .
> Then to hear bits of things like "Jesus Christ Superstar" and "Joseph and
> the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" - *those* definitely are puke-inducing
> for me and fit my earlier description.
Memory is one of my least favourite songs from Cats. There are many
others in there which are much more enjoyable. Now if only I could
somehow obtain the score from somewhere...
I disliked Jesus Christ Superstar, but I really like Joseph and the
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. I've never seen an official production,
but my sister's school put on a performance. I'm really impressed with
how well the student orchestra managed to perform it. (With the possible
exception of the drummer, who didn't put out an especially steady beat.)
There was one girl in the school who honestly sang like a pro.
(I'm also impressed that a mere school would have a hall this huge, and
such professional facilities. Then again, maybe that's just because I
went to a tiny under-funded school myself where everything was always
crappy...)
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On 14/07/2011 12:13 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> What's so incomprehensible about it? ALW's music has no redeeming
> musical qualities that I've ever heard, basically a sort of feel-good-pop-
> crap musical style.
>
> Even hearing the name triggers my gag reflex.
Some people actually *like* feel-good music. Shockingly enough.
I will freely admit though, Starlight Express was surprisingly lame.
(And I don't mean just the music.)
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 9:31, Darren New wrote:
> > I don't think it's keyboards as much as it is collation by computers.
> Kind of related, but think about how Chinese dictionaries get sorted, given
> that each word is one character and there are tens of thousands of
> characters in the language, since Andrew brought up chinese to start with.
After seeing a (Japanese) phone directory in an anime, which was full of
kanji, I wondered how the names get sorted. (I think, although I can't
remember for sure now, that they get sorted by their transliteration to
hiragana, which has a unique and unambiguous ordering.) Then I wondered
how phone directories are sorted in China, given that they don't even have
an alternative script like Japanese has (namely hiragana/katakana). Someone
explained it to me, but I can't remember it now.
Another interesting question is how they support writing kanji in
cellphones (which have only the classical 0-9 numpad). Yes, they do
support it. It's a bit complicated.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> The same sound has up to four different tones possible. That doesn't make it
> unambiguous, tho. For each sound+tone, there's still dozens of meanings you
> need to disambiguate, even if it's written.
I have always wondered why in Japanese, and probably also in Chinese,
there's no strict one-to-one-to-one correspondence between a kanji symbol,
its meaning and its pronounciation. The whole writing system seems to be
designed precisely for that: One symbol has (exactly) one meaning and one
pronounciation, making it completely unambiguous.
But no, the same kanji can have a half dozen meanings, typically at least
two or three different pronounciations depending on context (at least in
Japanese), and moreover, the same word can sometimes be written with
different kanji symbols (again depending on context, meaning and/or the
phase of the Moon). So the whole idea with the kanji writing system seems
to be completely wasted, making it overly complicated for no good reason.
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:56:34 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> > On 13/07/2011 07:54 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> I was going to say, "Andrew Lloyd Webber" and "epic masterpiece" create
> >> a fair amount of cognitive dissonance for me - those two things don't
> >> really belong in the same sentence, IMNSHO.
> >
> > Yeah, weirdly a couple of people have voiced this incomprehensible
> > opinion...
>
> What's so incomprehensible about it? ALW's music has no redeeming
> musical qualities that I've ever heard, basically a sort of feel-good-pop-
> crap musical style.
>
> Even hearing the name triggers my gag reflex.
We're talking about Andrew here, same guy who doesn't dig Mozart, GEB and
poetry... :p
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Take the lyrics of almost any song, remove the music and you get a poem.
>
> Yes. And typically not a very good one.
>
> (If you actually sit down and think about it, it's surprising how many
> songs have lyrics which don't actually /make sense/ either.)
OK, now for some nice entirley comprehensible lyrics...
Brian Eno's "Kurt's Rejoinder":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJNl7NjtbEU
Enjoy!
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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On 14/07/2011 12:35 PM, nemesis wrote:
> We're talking about Andrew here, same guy who doesn't dig Mozart, GEB and
> poetry... :p
On the other hand, there are people who like hip-hop and rap. :-P
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On 7/14/2011 4:47, Mike the Elder wrote:
> OK, now for some nice entirley comprehensible lyrics...
In China, they teach english with The Carpenters. "Because you can
understand what they're saying. That's why they call it easy listening."
--
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On 7/14/2011 2:34, Warp wrote:
> Someone explained it to me, but I can't remember it now.
It is essentially sorted by how you write the character. Not the final
shape, but how you write it.
So first come all characters with a single stroke, vertical strokes before
horizontal strokes. Then all characters with two strokes, again vertical
sorting before horizontal. Etc. (Uh, approximately like that. Don't go
taking this post as authoritative, as I'm doing it from memory.)
If you know how to read Chinese but not write it, you have a very hard time
looking something up.
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driving without turn signals."
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On 7/14/2011 2:39, Warp wrote:
> I have always wondered why in Japanese, and probably also in Chinese,
> there's no strict one-to-one-to-one correspondence between a kanji symbol,
> its meaning and its pronounciation.
Because Chinese writing is at least 5000 years old or so. The same writing
system has been evolving for about as long as the pyramids have been around,
so rather a lot older than Judaism, for example. You expect anything used
by a billion people for 5000 years is going to be logical and consistent? :-)
> The whole writing system seems to be
> designed precisely for that: One symbol has (exactly) one meaning and one
> pronounciation, making it completely unambiguous.
I'm sure it started out that way. Now spread it slowly across warring
empires that spanned five time zones, let it stew for a few thousand years
without any means of communication faster than horses, and see if everyone
still agrees on the meaning and pronunciation of everything.
> So the whole idea with the kanji writing system seems
> to be completely wasted, making it overly complicated for no good reason.
I don't think saying "the whole idea with the kanji writing system." I think
saying "a logically designed ideographic writing system would have these
beneficial properties." But it wasn't logically designed, any more than
human bodies were.
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:38:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> Some people actually *like* feel-good music. Shockingly enough.
Sure, which is why we all can have different opinions about it.
Jim
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On 7/14/2011 10:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:38:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>> Some people actually *like* feel-good music. Shockingly enough.
>
> Sure, which is why we all can have different opinions about it.
Or, more precisely, that's why there exists any feel-good music at all. :-)
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:55:48 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/14/2011 10:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:38:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> Some people actually *like* feel-good music. Shockingly enough.
>>
>> Sure, which is why we all can have different opinions about it.
>
> Or, more precisely, that's why there exists any feel-good music at all.
> :-)
Well, that's another view, yes. :)
Jim
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On 14-7-2011 19:14, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/14/2011 4:47, Mike the Elder wrote:
>> OK, now for some nice entirley comprehensible lyrics...
>
> In China, they teach english with The Carpenters. "Because you can
> understand what they're saying. That's why they call it easy listening."
As far as understandable lyrics go I am still huge fan of Eric Bogle.
A song with some relation to this topic:
http://ericbogle.net/lyrics/lyricspdf/sillyslangsong.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdHNGG9yWU
--
Apparently you can afford your own dictator for less than 10 cents per
citizen per day.
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On 14/07/2011 9:07 PM, andrel wrote:
> As far as understandable lyrics go I am still huge fan of Eric Bogle.
> A song with some relation to this topic:
> http://ericbogle.net/lyrics/lyricspdf/sillyslangsong.pdf
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdHNGG9yWU
Thanks Andrel, I liked that.
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Stephen
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On 14/07/2011 9:38 AM, Invisible wrote:
>
> I will freely admit though, Starlight Express was surprisingly lame.
> (And I don't mean just the music.)
And racist IM(NS)HO
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Stephen
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On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> > Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
> I hadn't heard that -
Black on the outside. White on the inside.
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Stephen
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On 7/14/2011 18:07, Stephen wrote:
> On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> > Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
>> I hadn't heard that -
>
> Black on the outside. White on the inside.
Exactly. I think it refers to individuals of african descent who act in a
way the local community perceives as that of european descent. I.e., a black
guy sucking up to a white guy to get white guy perks would be an oreo.
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On 15/07/2011 3:18 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/14/2011 18:07, Stephen wrote:
>> On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> > Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
>>> I hadn't heard that -
>>
>> Black on the outside. White on the inside.
>
> Exactly. I think it refers to individuals of african descent who act in
> a way the local community perceives as that of european descent. I.e., a
> black guy sucking up to a white guy to get white guy perks would be an
> oreo.
>
You think? O_O ;-)
AFAIK It also applies to (I'm at a loss for the correct term) people of
colour who want to better themselves and leave their community behind.
Similar to working class folk who want to get out of the slums
--
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Stephen
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On 7/14/2011 19:55, Stephen wrote:
> You think? O_O ;-)
I wasn't explaining for *your* edification.
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On 15/07/2011 4:00 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/14/2011 19:55, Stephen wrote:
>> You think? O_O ;-)
>
> I wasn't explaining for *your* edification.
>
Sorry, jet lag.
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Stephen
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:07:01 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> > Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
>> I hadn't heard that -
>
> Black on the outside. White on the inside.
Ahh
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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> >> > Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
> > I hadn't heard that -
> Black on the outside. White on the inside.
Honestly, I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.
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Le 2011-07-15 01:53, Warp a écrit :
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
>>> I hadn't heard that -
>
>> Black on the outside. White on the inside.
>
> Honestly, I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.
>
A black person who doesn't act like the rest of their homies from the 'hood.
cf: Lewis Hamilton, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama.
The inverse (and quite derogatory) is "wigger". White folks who dress
with pants down to their knees and oversided basketball shirts. If I'm
not mistaken, the Brits call them "chavs".
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Francois Labreque <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> Le 2011-07-15 01:53, Warp a écrit :
> > Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> >> On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> >>>>> Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
> >>> I hadn't heard that -
> >
> >> Black on the outside. White on the inside.
> >
> > Honestly, I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.
> >
> A black person who doesn't act like the rest of their homies from the 'hood.
> cf: Lewis Hamilton, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama.
So it's a derogatory term used by other black people?
Why shouldn't a person be free to act however he likes?
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On 16/07/2011 6:56 AM, Warp wrote:
> So it's a derogatory term used by other black people?
>
Yes and some white people as well
> Why shouldn't a person be free to act however he likes?
No reason at all, at all. But that is what people are like.
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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 16/07/2011 6:56 AM, Warp wrote:
> > So it's a derogatory term used by other black people?
> Yes and some white people as well
I assume that with black people it's some kind of pride thing, and with
white people it's traditional racism? (Although the former is also racism,
technically speaking, although for some reason it's not PC to say it.)
> > Why shouldn't a person be free to act however he likes?
> No reason at all, at all. But that is what people are like.
I wish people acted more rationally about these things. Keeping a subculture
alive is ok and commendable (as long as the subculture in question isn't
destructive and harmful to others), but if you start denigrating and shunning
someone for not caring about it (or not wanting to be part of it), that just
goes too far. Freedom is the highest of virtues, and being able to live and
act however you want (as long as it's not harmful to others) is part of that,
and nobody should have a saying on it.
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On 16/07/2011 1:38 PM, Warp wrote:
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> On 16/07/2011 6:56 AM, Warp wrote:
>>> So it's a derogatory term used by other black people?
>
>> Yes and some white people as well
>
> I assume that with black people it's some kind of pride thing, and with
> white people it's traditional racism? (Although the former is also racism,
> technically speaking, although for some reason it's not PC to say it.)
>
Not necessarily, it could be sympathy, seeing things from an other
viewpoint.
>>> Why shouldn't a person be free to act however he likes?
>
>> No reason at all, at all. But that is what people are like.
>
> I wish people acted more rationally about these things. Keeping a subculture
> alive is ok and commendable (as long as the subculture in question isn't
> destructive and harmful to others), but if you start denigrating and shunning
> someone for not caring about it (or not wanting to be part of it), that just
> goes too far. Freedom is the highest of virtues, and being able to live and
> act however you want (as long as it's not harmful to others) is part of that,
> and nobody should have a saying on it.
>
I can't disagree with one word you have said.
Sometimes I get disapproval because I am a Scot living in London. (From
fellow Scots, that is. The English keep telling me that their
father/mother/grand-sires came from Scotland.)
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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> Sometimes I get disapproval because I am a Scot living in London.
I can't even begin to imagine the reasoning behind that. :)
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On 15-7-2011 3:02, Stephen wrote:
> On 14/07/2011 9:07 PM, andrel wrote:
>> As far as understandable lyrics go I am still huge fan of Eric Bogle.
>> A song with some relation to this topic:
>> http://ericbogle.net/lyrics/lyricspdf/sillyslangsong.pdf
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdHNGG9yWU
>
> Thanks Andrel, I liked that.
I though about asking if you were a Scot...
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On 16-7-2011 16:03, Stephen wrote:
> Sometimes I get disapproval because I am a Scot living in London. (From
> fellow Scots, that is.
... but you answered that yourself
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On 7/16/2011 5:38, Warp wrote:
> I assume that with black people it's some kind of pride thing, and with
> white people it's traditional racism?
Yes. Being an oreo to whites is not "oh, look, he's trying to better
himself" either. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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>> No reason at all, at all. But that is what people are like.
>
> I wish people acted more rationally about these things.
That's gotta be right up there with "imagine all the people living in
peace". And the guy who wrote that got assassinated...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 16/07/2011 4:55 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 15-7-2011 3:02, Stephen wrote:
>> On 14/07/2011 9:07 PM, andrel wrote:
>>> As far as understandable lyrics go I am still huge fan of Eric Bogle.
>>> A song with some relation to this topic:
>>> http://ericbogle.net/lyrics/lyricspdf/sillyslangsong.pdf
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdHNGG9yWU
>>
>> Thanks Andrel, I liked that.
>
> I though about asking if you were a Scot...
>
And did you?
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Stephen
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On 16/07/2011 6:48 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/16/2011 5:38, Warp wrote:
>> I assume that with black people it's some kind of pride thing, and with
>> white people it's traditional racism?
>
> Yes. Being an oreo to whites is not "oh, look, he's trying to better
> himself" either. :-)
>
LOL
Has anyone told you that you can be cruel?
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Regards
Stephen
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On 16/07/2011 4:55 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 16-7-2011 16:03, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Sometimes I get disapproval because I am a Scot living in London. (From
>> fellow Scots, that is.
>
> .... but you answered that yourself
You are just teasing Warp, now.
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Stephen
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On 16/07/2011 3:44 PM, Warp wrote:
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> Sometimes I get disapproval because I am a Scot living in London.
>
> I can't even begin to imagine the reasoning behind that. :)
>
I wouldn't dare put it in writing.
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Stephen
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On 7/17/2011 20:46, Stephen wrote:
> On 16/07/2011 6:48 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> On 7/16/2011 5:38, Warp wrote:
>>> I assume that with black people it's some kind of pride thing, and with
>>> white people it's traditional racism?
>>
>> Yes. Being an oreo to whites is not "oh, look, he's trying to better
>> himself" either. :-)
>>
>
> LOL
> Has anyone told you that you can be cruel?
>
Cruel would be including the word "uppity". ;-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On 18/07/2011 6:44 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 20:46, Stephen wrote:
>> On 16/07/2011 6:48 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>> On 7/16/2011 5:38, Warp wrote:
>>>> I assume that with black people it's some kind of pride thing, and with
>>>> white people it's traditional racism?
>>>
>>> Yes. Being an oreo to whites is not "oh, look, he's trying to better
>>> himself" either. :-)
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>> Has anyone told you that you can be cruel?
>>
>
> Cruel would be including the word "uppity". ;-)
>
Yup! :-)
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Regards
Stephen
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Le 2011/07/15 09:02, Francois Labreque a écrit :
> Le 2011-07-15 01:53, Warp a écrit :
>> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
>>> On 14/07/2011 6:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>> Oreo is also derogatory American slang.
>>>> I hadn't heard that -
>>
>>> Black on the outside. White on the inside.
>>
>> Honestly, I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.
>>
>
> A black person who doesn't act like the rest of their homies from the
> 'hood.
>
> cf: Lewis Hamilton, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama.
>
> The inverse (and quite derogatory) is "wigger". White folks who dress
> with pants down to their knees and oversided basketball shirts. If I'm
> not mistaken, the Brits call them "chavs".
So, it's a degoratory term used to designate someone from an unfavorable
origin, who, through hard work, sacrifices and perseverence, managed to
rise above that background.
If I was in that case, I would receive it as a GREAT compliment, an
awsome acknowlegement and recognaisance of the great hard work of my
parents, possibly grand-perents, and mine.
When you are from some gethoized culture, you realy have a duty of
getting OUT of it and it's stigma. You should never wilignly stay in those.
Alain
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Alain <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:
> So, it's a degoratory term used to designate someone from an unfavorable
> origin, who, through hard work, sacrifices and perseverence, managed to
> rise above that background.
If I understood correctly, it's probably more like they (ie. black people)
see him as a "traitor" to their subculture, one who doesn't want to belong
to his own people, to embrace their customs and culture, but instead tries
to live like the white people (who are often seen as the "oppressors", at
least by association).
Of course the problem here is that they see it as him "trying to be white"
(with all the related culture and customs), when in fact it's probably just
that he wants a better life, as you commented.
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- Warp
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