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From: Invisible
Subject: So many questions
Date: 7 Jun 2011 04:43:16
Message: <4dede4a4@news.povray.org>
Fact: The shear modulus of the human brain matter is 1680 Pa.

Question: Why /the hell/ does Wolfram Alpha know this??

Seriously. Like, somebody took a sample of human brain and actually 
measured how hard you can squish it? WHY?!?


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 7 Jun 2011 05:07:33
Message: <4dedea55$1@news.povray.org>
Am 07.06.2011 10:43, schrieb Invisible:
> Fact: The shear modulus of the human brain matter is 1680 Pa.
>
> Question: Why /the hell/ does Wolfram Alpha know this??

Next Question:

Why /the hell/ do you know that WA knows this??

> Seriously. Like, somebody took a sample of human brain and actually
> measured how hard you can squish it? WHY?!?

Forensics? Better evaluation of crash test results?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 7 Jun 2011 05:10:56
Message: <4dedeb20$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2011 10:07 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 07.06.2011 10:43, schrieb Invisible:
>> Fact: The shear modulus of the human brain matter is 1680 Pa.
>>
>> Question: Why /the hell/ does Wolfram Alpha know this??
>
> Next Question:
>
> Why /the hell/ do you know that WA knows this??

I was actually looking for the number of neurons in a typical human 
brain. I guess my query wasn't specific enough. Instead, I got a list of 
parameters including "Poisson's ratio", "specific heat" and density of 
the brain. (Why the *hell* would you measure the brain's specific heat??)

>> Seriously. Like, somebody took a sample of human brain and actually
>> measured how hard you can squish it? WHY?!?
>
> Forensics? Better evaluation of crash test results?

Hmm, yes, that's about the only sane explanation I can think of...


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 7 Jun 2011 08:25:00
Message: <web.4dee185ea2fb4aff9a1bcfb90@news.povray.org>
clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 07.06.2011 10:43, schrieb Invisible:
> > Fact: The shear modulus of the human brain matter is 1680 Pa.
> > Seriously. Like, somebody took a sample of human brain and actually
> > measured how hard you can squish it? WHY?!?
>
> Forensics? Better evaluation of crash test results?

BTW, some times japanese manga comes up with some interesting thoughts.  I read
in Blade of the Immortal a suggestion that europeans had quite a better grasp on
medicine as opposed to the traditional chinese medicine because they had quite
good knowledge of the human body and its inner workings for all the centuries
worth of painful and barbaric tortures and death penalties.  Europeans were
making surgery while chinese were still drinking bitter tea.

I'm sure there was plenty of torture in china too, but while europeans were
cracking open bodies and letting them rot in public places during the dark ages,
china was in the height of a sophisticated civilization.  Death penalties were
usually carried out quickly rather than in agony.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 7 Jun 2011 08:33:32
Message: <4dee1a9c$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2011 01:23 PM, nemesis wrote:

> BTW, some times japanese manga comes up with some interesting thoughts.  I read
> in Blade of the Immortal a suggestion that europeans had quite a better grasp on
> medicine as opposed to the traditional chinese medicine because they had quite
> good knowledge of the human body and its inner workings for all the centuries
> worth of painful and barbaric tortures and death penalties.  Europeans were
> making surgery while chinese were still drinking bitter tea.
>
> I'm sure there was plenty of torture in china too, but while europeans were
> cracking open bodies and letting them rot in public places during the dark ages,
> china was in the height of a sophisticated civilization.  Death penalties were
> usually carried out quickly rather than in agony.

I heard QI assert that the invention of china held China back 
technologically for several centuries. The gist of it being that since 
they had china cups to drink out of, they didn't develop glass, so they 
didn't have sophisticated optical lenses, nor high-temperature furnaces 
for smelting iron, etc. Or something like that. (I can't remember off 
the top of my head whether it was china, paper or tea, but it was 
something innocuous like that.)


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 7 Jun 2011 09:19:49
Message: <4dee2575$1@news.povray.org>

> Am 07.06.2011 10:43, schrieb Invisible:
>> Fact: The shear modulus of the human brain matter is 1680 Pa.
>>
>> Question: Why /the hell/ does Wolfram Alpha know this??
>
> Next Question:
>
> Why /the hell/ do you know that WA knows this??
>
>> Seriously. Like, somebody took a sample of human brain and actually
>> measured how hard you can squish it? WHY?!?
>
> Forensics? Better evaluation of crash test results?

Making brain surgery simulators that behave like the real thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDHqWcK3XNo

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 7 Jun 2011 12:42:58
Message: <4dee5512@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
> On 07/06/2011 01:23 PM, nemesis wrote:
> 
>> BTW, some times japanese manga comes up with some interesting 
>> thoughts.  I read
>> in Blade of the Immortal a suggestion that europeans had quite a 
>> better grasp on
>> medicine as opposed to the traditional chinese medicine because they 
>> had quite
>> good knowledge of the human body and its inner workings for all the 
>> centuries
>> worth of painful and barbaric tortures and death penalties.  Europeans 
>> were
>> making surgery while chinese were still drinking bitter tea.
>>
>> I'm sure there was plenty of torture in china too, but while europeans 
>> were
>> cracking open bodies and letting them rot in public places during the 
>> dark ages,
>> china was in the height of a sophisticated civilization.  Death 
>> penalties were
>> usually carried out quickly rather than in agony.
> 
> I heard QI

?

> assert that the invention of china held China back 
> technologically for several centuries. The gist of it being that since 
> they had china cups to drink out of, they didn't develop glass, so they 
> didn't have sophisticated optical lenses, nor high-temperature furnaces 
> for smelting iron, etc. Or something like that. (I can't remember off 
> the top of my head whether it was china, paper or tea, but it was 
> something innocuous like that.)

an interesting conjecture, no doubt.  OTOH, the chinese discovered powder.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 8 Jun 2011 08:39:04
Message: <4def6d68@news.povray.org>
nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> BTW, some times japanese manga comes up with some interesting thoughts.  I read
> in Blade of the Immortal a suggestion that europeans had quite a better grasp on
> medicine as opposed to the traditional chinese medicine because they had quite
> good knowledge of the human body and its inner workings for all the centuries
> worth of painful and barbaric tortures and death penalties.  Europeans were
> making surgery while chinese were still drinking bitter tea.

> I'm sure there was plenty of torture in china too, but while europeans were
> cracking open bodies and letting them rot in public places during the dark ages,
> china was in the height of a sophisticated civilization.  Death penalties were
> usually carried out quickly rather than in agony.

  Interesting hypothesis, but I don't think it's the real explanation.
On the contrary, medicine in the middle ages was pretty much stagnant
because the church had forbidden the study of corpses. It was not until
the age of enlightenment, when science successfully separated itself from
the church that people got to investigate how stuff really works and things
got to progress forward.

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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 8 Jun 2011 15:35:24
Message: <4defcefc$1@news.povray.org>
On 6/8/2011 5:39 AM, Warp wrote:
> nemesis<nam### [at] gmailcom>  wrote:
>> BTW, some times japanese manga comes up with some interesting thoughts.  I read
>> in Blade of the Immortal a suggestion that europeans had quite a better grasp on
>> medicine as opposed to the traditional chinese medicine because they had quite
>> good knowledge of the human body and its inner workings for all the centuries
>> worth of painful and barbaric tortures and death penalties.  Europeans were
>> making surgery while chinese were still drinking bitter tea.
>
>> I'm sure there was plenty of torture in china too, but while europeans were
>> cracking open bodies and letting them rot in public places during the dark ages,
>> china was in the height of a sophisticated civilization.  Death penalties were
>> usually carried out quickly rather than in agony.
>
>    Interesting hypothesis, but I don't think it's the real explanation.
> On the contrary, medicine in the middle ages was pretty much stagnant
> because the church had forbidden the study of corpses. It was not until
> the age of enlightenment, when science successfully separated itself from
> the church that people got to investigate how stuff really works and things
> got to progress forward.
>
Actually, it was often worse than that. A lot of stuff had to be 
"reinvented", because, while Galen had come up with a lot of instruments 
and methods, those where declared, by the same church, illegal, as they 
did with any else not, "approved by them, or invented by 'their' 
scholars". It didn't just stagnate, in some respects it went backwards.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: So many questions
Date: 11 Jun 2011 12:37:46
Message: <4DF399D9.5090800@gmail.com>
On 7-6-2011 18:42, nemesis wrote:
> Invisible escreveu:
>> On 07/06/2011 01:23 PM, nemesis wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, some times japanese manga comes up with some interesting
>>> thoughts. I read
>>> in Blade of the Immortal a suggestion that europeans had quite a
>>> better grasp on
>>> medicine as opposed to the traditional chinese medicine because they
>>> had quite
>>> good knowledge of the human body and its inner workings for all the
>>> centuries
>>> worth of painful and barbaric tortures and death penalties. Europeans
>>> were
>>> making surgery while chinese were still drinking bitter tea.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there was plenty of torture in china too, but while
>>> europeans were
>>> cracking open bodies and letting them rot in public places during the
>>> dark ages,
>>> china was in the height of a sophisticated civilization. Death
>>> penalties were
>>> usually carried out quickly rather than in agony.
>>
>> I heard QI
>
> ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Ff0D-dWew

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