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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:07:26 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 11:40, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Good documentation with crap software doesn't really go far either.
>
> True, but at least with half-decent documentation, people might be more
> willing to help. If you can't even tell if what you're doing was
> *supposed* to work, even those who could improve it will be at a loss.
I kinda agree with you on this point - a lot of development is done in a
very collaborative way, so those who could/want to improve tend to not
work in isolation, but as part of a team that has ongoing communication.
In that respect, OSS isn't much different from closed-source development
(at least not in my experience). Closed-source software is developed
before documentation is completed - documentation tends to start being
written when the product is installable, because the screens (for
example) tend to change before release.
Jim
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>>> Plus, "redirector" and "connector" are terms that SMB uses to describe
>>> the different parts of the stack.
>>
>> Great if you already happen to know about that somehow.
>
> It's your job to learn this stuff. Now you know. Go read up how it
> works. :-)
Like, where?
>> Oh, wait. Windows costs hundreds of pounds, while Linux is given away for
>> free. Hmm, OK, maybe I should complain. :-P
>
> But it *is* documented. Indeed, I gave you the microsoft links that
> document it.
You have me a link that explains what event 3019 is. It doesn't explain
why the redirector exists or what it does or indeed anything further...
> Why do you keep complaining that Microsoft doesn't
> document this stuff, especially in response to a thread that points you
> at the microsoft documentation found with a trivial search of the obvious?
See above.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 4/19/2011 14:19, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I kinda agree with you on this point - a lot of development is done in a
> very collaborative way, so those who could/want to improve tend to not
> work in isolation, but as part of a team that has ongoing communication.
Bringing someone up to speed on the internals of a project that has no
internal documentation is extremely time consuming.
> In that respect, OSS isn't much different from closed-source development
> (at least not in my experience). Closed-source software is developed
> before documentation is completed - documentation tends to start being
> written when the product is installable, because the screens (for
> example) tend to change before release.
End-user documentation, yes. But most of the OSS projects are released
before there's any internal documentation either. Usually even worse.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On 4/19/2011 14:21, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> You have me a link that explains what event 3019 is. It doesn't explain why
> the redirector exists or what it does or indeed anything further...
On the same page, I gave you a link to an explanation of SMB caches and, if
you looked, a whole bunch of other tables of contentses.
Or type in "smb tutorial". (I've found that "tutorial" is a good keyword.)
http://oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/ch03_03.html
"What is an smb redirector"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa939514%28v=winembedded.5%29.aspx
What do you want to learn about? People publish books and technical papers
for all this stuff. You just have to want to read it.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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On 4/19/2011 14:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I don't see that that matters - they document that it's informational and
> nothing to worry about.
*And* they tell you what it means, so it's trivial to confirm that it's
nothing to worry about.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Coding without comments is like
driving without turn signals."
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Le 2011/04/19 16:31, Orchid XP v8 a écrit :
>>> Admittedly I don't know hundreds of thousands of people. Still, the vast
>>> majority of people I know IRL don't know what Linux is, have never heard
>>> of Firefox, and think MS Office is the only "proper" office suite. You
>>> know, as if anything you can download for free off the Internet is
>>> either an illegal pirate copy or a shoddy imitation.
>>
>> Many people do feel that way. I remember reading a story in the past
>> year about a teacher who told a student to get rid of that Linux stuff
>> because they must've pirated it - nobody gives stuff away for free.
>
> I remember reading about a memory of library stuff who saw somebody
> using Telnet. She screamed "OH MY GOD, YOU'RE HACKING OUR COMPUTERS!!!"
> and turned the computer off at the wall. The guy tried to explain what
> he was actually doing, but she wouldn't have it.
>
> Apparently there are a lot of stupid people...
>
Look at
http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/
for many samples.
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:24:20 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 14:19, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I kinda agree with you on this point - a lot of development is done in
>> a very collaborative way, so those who could/want to improve tend to
>> not work in isolation, but as part of a team that has ongoing
>> communication.
>
> Bringing someone up to speed on the internals of a project that has no
> internal documentation is extremely time consuming.
Sure, but that's different than poor end-user documentation, that's what
I'm saying.
>> In that respect, OSS isn't much different from closed-source
>> development (at least not in my experience). Closed-source software is
>> developed before documentation is completed - documentation tends to
>> start being written when the product is installable, because the
>> screens (for example) tend to change before release.
>
> End-user documentation, yes. But most of the OSS projects are released
> before there's any internal documentation either. Usually even worse.
Most OSS projects rely on code as the internal documentation. Which I
don't necessarily think is a good thing since not everyone codes in the
same style (though it helps when a project has coding style guidelines, I
think).
Jim
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:18:49 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 19/04/2011 10:11 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:31:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>
>>> I remember reading about a memory of library stuff who saw somebody
>>> using Telnet. She screamed "OH MY GOD, YOU'RE HACKING OUR
>>> COMPUTERS!!!" and turned the computer off at the wall. The guy tried
>>> to explain what he was actually doing, but she wouldn't have it.
>>>
>>> Apparently there are a lot of stupid people...
>>
>> There are a lot of uneducated people, certainly.
>
> Being uneducated is one thing. Assuming that you know what you're
> talking about when you don't is another.
That's a fair point - and something everyone should keep in mind when
making unsupportable declarations. ;)
Jim
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:19:16 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Man, I hope the ratings are *awesome*! :-D
>>
>> You bet, but you need to do better with the product placement. :)
>
> OMG, you guys know where I place my products?! o_O
LOL
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:31:42 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 4/19/2011 14:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I don't see that that matters - they document that it's informational
>> and nothing to worry about.
>
>
> *And* they tell you what it means, so it's trivial to confirm that it's
> nothing to worry about.
Yep.
Jim
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