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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Tips for finding a job
Date: 8 Apr 2011 17:35:14
Message: <4d9f7f92$1@news.povray.org>
Andy, this one's for you:

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/04/05/10-things-hr-wont-tell-you-about-
your-resume/

You'll notice that some of the things in this list (#3 for example) are 
things we've talked about here before as well.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Tips for finding a job
Date: 8 Apr 2011 20:15:09
Message: <4d9fa50d$1@news.povray.org>
On 4/8/2011 14:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
> http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/04/05/10-things-hr-wont-tell-you-about-
> your-resume/

Actually, most of those are more like "tips for not finding a job." They 
don't really give you an *answer* for most of the problems.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Coding without comments is like
    driving without turn signals."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tips for finding a job
Date: 9 Apr 2011 01:12:30
Message: <4d9feabe$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:15:07 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 4/8/2011 14:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/04/05/10-things-hr-wont-tell-you-
about-
>> your-resume/
> 
> Actually, most of those are more like "tips for not finding a job." They
> don't really give you an *answer* for most of the problems.

I don't know, #3 in particular (find the hiring manager or some way other 
than going through HR) is something I've actually done....

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Tips for finding a job
Date: 9 Apr 2011 05:29:48
Message: <4da0270c$1@news.povray.org>
On 09/04/2011 6:12 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:15:07 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2011 14:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/04/05/10-things-hr-wont-tell-you-
> about-
>>> your-resume/
>>
>> Actually, most of those are more like "tips for not finding a job." They
>> don't really give you an *answer* for most of the problems.
>

Yes things, what not to do.

> I don't know, #3 in particular (find the hiring manager or some way other
> than going through HR) is something I've actually done....
>

It is all very well saying that but for the ordinary person how easy is 
it? I got my current contract by contacting a previous employer for a 
reference who just happened to be looking for someone. Well done me! But 
that was just luck.
The only one of the hints I would agree with is number 5 but then that 
hasn't stopped Tek from getting a job (evilsuperbrain).

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Tips for finding a job
Date: 9 Apr 2011 14:10:35
Message: <4da0a11b@news.povray.org>
On 4/9/2011 2:29, Stephen wrote:
>> I don't know, #3 in particular (find the hiring manager or some way other
>> than going through HR) is something I've actually done....

I don't think I've ever gotten a job talking to HR. But yes, that's why I 
said "most".

> It is all very well saying that but for the ordinary person how easy is it?

I think it depends on the job you're looking for and who you know. I suspect 
very few corporate officers apply through HR. Meet someone big and important 
and impress them.  Or get an advanced degree.

I wonder how hard it is for, say, doctors to find a hospital to practice at 
and such.

> I got my current contract by contacting a previous employer for a reference
> who just happened to be looking for someone. Well done me! But that was just
> luck.

That's not luck. That's how you do it. Keep it up. :-)

> The only one of the hints I would agree with is number 5 but then that
> hasn't stopped Tek from getting a job (evilsuperbrain).

I think all of these hints are only broadly applicable and only to "common" 
jobs. Sure, if you spend six months and can't get a job as a web graphics 
designer, there might be something wrong. Six months unemployed as a 
university professor?

Again, if you're in your 50's and you spent 15 years in school, putting that 
on your resume is probably a good idea. If you have a bachelor's, nobody 
really cares at that point.  If you've been a research doctor or a 
university professor with dozens of publications and world-wide travel and 
speaking arrangements, yeah, a 2-page resume isn't going to cut it. But 
again, those are the people who don't go through HR to start with.

I'd say 5, 9, and 10 are always applicable.


-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Coding without comments is like
    driving without turn signals."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tips for finding a job
Date: 10 Apr 2011 14:41:34
Message: <4da1f9de$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:29:47 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 09/04/2011 6:12 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:15:07 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/8/2011 14:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/04/05/10-things-hr-wont-tell-you-
>> about-
>>>> your-resume/
>>>
>>> Actually, most of those are more like "tips for not finding a job."
>>> They don't really give you an *answer* for most of the problems.
>>
>>
> Yes things, what not to do.

I can see that, sure.

>> I don't know, #3 in particular (find the hiring manager or some way
>> other than going through HR) is something I've actually done....
>>
>>
> It is all very well saying that but for the ordinary person how easy is
> it? I got my current contract by contacting a previous employer for a
> reference who just happened to be looking for someone. Well done me! But
> that was just luck.
> The only one of the hints I would agree with is number 5 but then that
> hasn't stopped Tek from getting a job (evilsuperbrain).

But of course it's not easy to do #3, otherwise everyone would do it.  
But combine something like a good list of contacts on LinkedIn with it, 
and you can find a lot of things out about a company.

Jim


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