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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:58:59
Message: <497f3d53$1@news.povray.org>
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Invisible wrote:
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> As far as I know, M$ makes more money out of Office than Windows.
> (Notice how Office only runs on Windows - and Mac OS, weirdly enough...)
> Clearly Office only runs on desktops, not servers.
>
Those two because supporting Office on Linux would be a nightmare. Of
course, I suppose they could release it for Fedora as their only
officially supported distro.
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> Current levels of Linux uptake don't really pose a threat. I guess M$ is
> worried about what Linux might become, rather than what it is today. Who
> knows what goes in in their little heads?
>
I don't see Linux gaining the end user desktop market in the foreseeable
future.
>
> That isn't the way M$ does business. Typically they achieve market share
> by eliminating competition rather than producing quality products.
>
Adobe is much worse about this than MS... How many things that didn't
used to have Adobe in front of them now do?
--
~Mike
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:11:36
Message: <497f4048@news.povray.org>
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Mike Raiford escreveu:
>> That isn't the way M$ does business. Typically they achieve market
>> share by eliminating competition rather than producing quality products.
>>
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> Adobe is much worse about this than MS... How many things that didn't
> used to have Adobe in front of them now do?
Adobe? Ever heard of Autodesk? ;)
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nemesis wrote:
> I think they are more worried about enterprise Linux server installs,
> which go beyond that puny 1% mark.
That, and maybe stuff like OpenOffice? MS wouldn't want an open source
competitor to Exchange that runs on Linux either. If you can FUD about
Linux being useless for the desktop, and you can FUD that you can't get
Linux and Windows to cooperate even with OSS software, you can keep
something like ExchangeSubstitute from getting good.
> It means suddenly Visual Studio developers may be targetting MySQL or
> PostgreSQL databases rather than SQL Server, for instance. Heck, they
> may end up even using open-source libs rather than what's in the Windows
> API if control is too loose over them... :P
If you're doing Windows stuff that ports to Linux, you're better off
building Linux libs that mimic the Windows stuff anyway, methinks.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Warp wrote:
> Big deal? I really think MS is just being paranoid and making a lot
> of noise over nothing.
Maybe by making a lot of noise over Linux, they think they can distract
attention from Apple and Sun? :-)
> IMO they should invest their resources on making better products
The people creating the FUD about Linux aren't the people writing the MS
software. :-)
> You don't get a positive image of yourself by bashing your opponents.
> You do it by doing
> a good job and offering high-quality products, and letting your products
> speak for you.
I think MS makes good products and many people bash MS, to the point where
there are people around that are just as much anti-MS-fanboys as there are
Apple-fanboys. It's hard to say whether simply having the best product is
sufficient.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Invisible wrote:
> That isn't the way M$ does business. Typically they achieve market share
> by eliminating competition rather than producing quality products.
See?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:33:34
Message: <497f456e@news.povray.org>
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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmail com> wrote in message
news:497f4048@news.povray.org...
> Adobe? Ever heard of Autodesk? ;)
Or Corel.
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
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Tim Cook wrote:
> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
> news:497f4048@news.povray.org...
>> Adobe? Ever heard of Autodesk? ;)
>
> Or Corel.
Corel is still around and assimilating. I'm not sure what the point is?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:51:24
Message: <497f499c@news.povray.org>
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Darren New escreveu:
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
>> news:497f4048@news.povray.org...
>>> Adobe? Ever heard of Autodesk? ;)
>>
>> Or Corel.
>
> Corel is still around and assimilating. I'm not sure what the point is?
Corel is the only real and far away competition to Adobe imaging
offerings as far as I know. An underdog.
Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software: AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the crying
in many forums worldwide suggests...
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:26:24
Message: <497f51d0@news.povray.org>
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > IMO they should invest their resources on making better products
> The people creating the FUD about Linux aren't the people writing the MS
> software. :-)
But they are getting money which would be better spent in improving
the products.
> > You don't get a positive image of yourself by bashing your opponents.
> > You do it by doing
> > a good job and offering high-quality products, and letting your products
> > speak for you.
> I think MS makes good products and many people bash MS, to the point where
> there are people around that are just as much anti-MS-fanboys as there are
> Apple-fanboys. It's hard to say whether simply having the best product is
> sufficient.
Why do you think MS is so hated and eg. Apple isn't? Because Apple doesn't
use so many glaringly dubious attack tactics and get the hatred of every
living being on Earth.
If Microsoft (and especially Steve Ballmer) stopped trolling around and
concentrated only on what they are good at, they could get a better
reputation. But no. I think that at least with Steve Ballmer it's some
kind of odd twisted imago reputation which he *wants* to maintain, for
some incomprehensible reason.
--
- Warp
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:46:54
Message: <497f569e@news.povray.org>
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:13:35 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> MS wouldn't want an open source
> competitor to Exchange that runs on Linux either
Such a program does in fact exist, though.
There's OpenXchange, and another I've heard of called Zimbra, I think.
Jim
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