On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:09:55 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> but once you
>> do, those drivers get downloaded and installed automatically.
> 
> For you, maybe.

It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it 
failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it 
> failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)

Yep. I've already admitted my Linux experience seems cursed. On the other 
hand, the number of "Works for me!" types of replies to complaints are legend.

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Darren New escreveu:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it 
>> failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)
> 
> Yep. I've already admitted my Linux experience seems cursed. On the 
> other hand, the number of "Works for me!" types of replies to complaints 
> are legend.

It's not hard to understand:  works for some, doesn't others, specially 
the ones who wish it worked like Windows and with windows-only hardware 
in a breeze, rather than learn it and its limitations and 
compatibilities before buying new hardware.

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:12:05 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it
>> failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)
> 
> Yep. I've already admitted my Linux experience seems cursed. On the
> other hand, the number of "Works for me!" types of replies to complaints
> are legend.

Yeah, there are enough idiots regardless of OS to go around.  I may say 
"works for me", but in a discussion about how to get it to work, that's 
not the only thing I'll say - I'll also ask some questions to help 
troubleshoot the problem.

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
>> automatically updates the groceries and clothes account to reflect this.
> 
> But then do you have a "trash" account for when you throw the clothes
> away again? If not, it's still single-entry bookkeeping. :-)

	Hmm...I'm sure it can be simulated: Just create another account called
Trash.

	You have a checking account with $1000. You buy clothes for $50. Your
checking account now shows $950. Your clothes now shows $50. If you want
to throw those clothes away and really want that to be reflected in the
clothes account, then create a transaction transfering $50 from clothes
to trash. Clothes is now back to $0, and trash says $50, but you can
ignore that. It has a way to handle money coming in from nowhere (e.g.
someone giving you money), so I'm sure you can throw away some as well...
	
>>     Not sure what you mean by different files. 
> 
> You can't have the same account in both a single-entry system and a
> double-entry system, is all I meant. I was clarifying that I didn't want
> it to do single-entry and double-entry bookkeeping at the same time.

	I think they just call it double entry bookkeeping to do it the way I
described. Money has to be debited from one account, and credited into
another.

>>     I know they have some download capabilities from banks. I somehow
>> doubt
>> it's as convenient as Quicken et. al. You can try it.
> 
> OK.  We get account statements with hundreds of lines of stuff on it
> each month, which would be ... tedious to enter by hand. It's already
> tedious just fixing the stuff that the format isn't designed to handle,
> like stock ticker names changing.

	You'll have to try it yourself - I've never done downloading via any
software. I just have two bank accounts + a few CC accounts. I input the
stuff into gnucash when I make my purchases, and validate them when I
get my paper statement.

>>     Export to tax software - what format does it expect it in? It has no
>> custom feature for this - just a generic export command.
> 
> There are some fairly standard formats for this, at least in the USA.
> Basically, the file says "add $X to line Y of form Z".

	I quite doubt it can interface with any tax software. The best case is
if the tax software can import some format that gnucash can output.
Don't hold your breath, though.

> When Intuit finishes pissing me off, I'll go read up on gnucash,
> assuming their documentation doesn't suck.

	Do note that I brought gnucash into the thread as a complaint, not as a
recommendation.<G>

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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> 	You have a checking account with $1000.

And where did *that* come from?

> It has a way to handle money coming in from nowhere (e.g.
> someone giving you money), so I'm sure you can throw away some as well...

Not in double-entry bookkeeping.  If someone gives you money, it comes from 
the "we owe that person money" account. :-)
	
> 	I think they just call it double entry bookkeeping to do it the way I
> described. Money has to be debited from one account, and credited into
> another.

OK. That's double-entry.

> 	Do note that I brought gnucash into the thread as a complaint, not as a
> recommendation.<G>

Heh. Noted.

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   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Henderson [mailto:nos### [at] nospamcom]
> What's the most recent you tried?

Fedora, sometime in the last year.

...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren New [mailto:dne### [at] sanrrcom]
> Does it do both double and single entry bookkeeping (in different
> files,
> obviously)?  Does it download statements from your bank?  Does it
> export to
> tax preparation software?
>
> Those are the features I need. :-)

It only does double-entry.

It can download from some banks; in my case, my bank doesn't support ANY 
software downloading, so I'm stuck anyway (I actually contacted our IT 
department about this, and was told that the proper way to have your 
financial software "automatically" download statements was to go to their 
website, click on "download statement", and select my software to open the 
file by default!)


...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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Chambers wrote:
> It only does double-entry.

OK, thanks. :-)

> financial software "automatically" download statements was to go to their 
> website, click on "download statement", and select my software to open the 
> file by default!)

Depending on the file format, this might be the right answer. :-)

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren New [mailto:dne### [at] sanrrcom]
> Depending on the file format, this might be the right answer. :-)

It might be the closest thing they have, but I would hesitate (and 
probably choke on my own tongue) before I said the software was 
downloading statements for me!

...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

What's the difference between a drug dealer and a whore?
A whore can wash her crack and sell it again.

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