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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:30 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:26:15 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> No Linux drivers for what high-end expensive graphics cards, exactly?
>>>
>>> No accelerated Linux drivers for almost any graphics card.
>>>
>>> ...I mean for DirectFB, not X :D
>>
>> I don't know that that's a true statement, but I don't use DirectFB on
>> my systems. :-)
>
> In practice, I think DirectFB it's only used by embedded developers, and
> by the people working on DirectFB itself :)
In which case it's a sort of "who cares?" situation. :-)
Jim
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:54:24 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Either way, don't you find that huge amounts of hardware stops working
> properly when you start it back up again?
Maybe that happens on Windows, but I don't have that experience on
openSUSE 11. Therefore, Windows sucks. ;-)
Jim
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>> Either way, don't you find that huge amounts of hardware stops working
>> properly when you start it back up again?
>
> Maybe that happens on Windows, but I don't have that experience on
> openSUSE 11. Therefore, Windows sucks. ;-)
I just observe that there's a *vast* list of KB articles about "device X
does something weird after hibernation", "device Y does something weird
after hibernation", "device Z stops working after hibernation"... Maybe
they fixed all the problems by now, but the fact that so many exist in
the first place suggests that getting this to work properly is
fundamentally "difficult".
(Personally, I wouldn't know. I never, ever, use any kind of standby
mode. My PC is always on, or off.)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>>> 2006 is about 4 generations ago for openSUSE.
>> Actually is was (IIRC) Debian at the time, but whatever. ;-)
>
> It's still "n" generations.
OK, fair enough.
>> All I remember is that even after endless fiddling, I couldn't get 3D
>> acceleration to work. (Actually producing a picture didn't require any
>> special attention at all.)
>
> Yes. *Used* to be. Not anymore.
When last I heard, all the nVidia and ATi offerings for Linux were a
half-empty token gesture. I'd be surprised if they seriously changed
their minds about it... but stranger things have happened.
>> OK, to be completely clear: It booted, but X wouldn't run.
>
> That's quite different from "the Linux partition was non-bootable", which
> is almost a direct quote of what you originally said. X not running is
> something that used to be an issue with a kernel update. It's rare now.
I didn't do anything to the kernel - I changed the graphics card. And
witout X, I have *no idea* how to configure X. (Well, without
reinstalling anyway. And that's so much bother...)
OpenSUSE has fixed this; you can now run the configuration tools in
text-mode.
>> Most of which is only marginally functional.
>
> Percentagewise, perhaps - look at the raw number of usable applications.
> It's not "6".
I'll take your word for it.
>> (E.g., klogic. It does almost exactly what I want. But it doesn't *work*
>> properly. It randomly segfaults, and sometimes it GIVES YOU THE WRONG
>> ANSWER. It's also fiddly to use for no good reason.)
>
> And did you submit bugs against this, or did you just say "this thing
> doesn't work" to yourself and go somewhere else.
Well, without an Internet connection, how am I going to file a bug?
>> Anyway, how much *commercial* software (such as big-budget games) are
>> there for Linux?
>
> Ever hear of Cedega? Transgaming? Loki Games?
Nope.
> If I can find a quality OSS solution for
> no cost, why would I look to a commercial application?
There *is* that of course. ;-)
>> It's news to me that *anything* works under WINE yet. (But then,
>> admittedly it's not something I follow closely. If I want to run Windows
>> software, I just run Windows...)
>
> Go and look at the Wine AppDB. The list of supported apps is
> significant.
Mmm, that's impressive. (Given that what Wine does should be impossible
in the first place...)
>> Of course, it depends what you're trying to do with your PC...
>
> Exactly. And that's part of the reason why the approach of saying what
> you said that got me started is the wrong approach.
Hmm. OK, now I'm confused. :-}
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:54:24 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>
>> Either way, don't you find that huge amounts of hardware stops working
>> properly when you start it back up again?
>
> Maybe that happens on Windows, but I don't have that experience on
> openSUSE 11. Therefore, Windows sucks. ;-)
With RedHat 7.something in 2001-2002 I had to ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
after hibernating HP Omnibook 6000. I never tried the onboard modem, though.
So I guess Linux sucks also :p.
> Jim
-Aero
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> (Given that what Wine does should be impossible
> in the first place...)
You keep saying things like this. It's very useful to distinguish between
"should be impossible", "in actuality is exceedingly difficult", and
"possible but really not worth the effort."
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Maybe that happens on Windows, but I don't have that experience on
> openSUSE 11. Therefore, Windows sucks. ;-)
I never had that trouble on Linux, because I've never run it on a machine
where either hibernate or standby even starts to work. ;-)
Even under VirtualPC, hibernate works, but it crashes when you start it up
again, then goes thru a presumedly longer boot sequence where it finds the
hibernation file and reloads it, so it works better under VirtualPC than it
ever did for me on actual hardware. (Of course, I'm one of those for whom
Linux is cursed, so YMMV.)
Under Windows, only my TV tuner card doesn't recover reliably from anything
but being turned off for several minutes, but it used to work, so I'm
thinking that might be a hardware problem. It used to work, but I think I
might have overheated the machine it was originally in. One of these days, I
need to take the 10 minutes it would take to change it out for the other
card and see if it's any better.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Go and look at the Wine AppDB. The list of supported apps is
> significant. Which reminds me, I need to try running Framemaker 8 under
> it. One less reason to run Windows in a VMware session.
Significant and impressive. However, chances are that if you have a
well known big budget game and want to get it running under Wine, it
likely won't work.
--
Beware of quantum ducks. Quark! Quark!
/\ /\ /\ /
/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawaz org<<<<<<
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> -----Original Message-----
> I saw an interesting project where people were figuring out what steps
> you
> could cut out of a Linux boot for known hardware (like a laptop) to get
> it
> to boot all the way to logged in under X in less than five seconds.
> They
> apparently got it working, too.
Why should it even take that long? Personally, I would have thought that
by 2009 we would have instant-on computers.
By the way, how hard would it be to keep a cheap battery on the
motherboard and, when the computer powers down, keep the RAM running long
enough to copy it all into flash memory? Then, when you want to turn it
on, you only have to wait long enough to transfer it from the flash to the
system RAM (and said copy could be high parallelized). No booting, no
sleeping, just on and off.
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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Chambers wrote:
> Why should it even take that long?
Physics? There's a certain upper limit on (say) how fast disks can spin up,
how fast you can poll a USB root, how fast you can initialize gigabytes of
memory, etc.
Maybe if you compiled your code for exactly precisely the hardware you were
going to use, you could go faster. But you'd be SOL if you spilled soda on
your keyboard and had to plug one in via USB to get your data off.
> By the way, how hard would it be to keep a cheap battery on the
> motherboard and, when the computer powers down, keep the RAM running long
> enough to copy it all into flash memory?
Heck, just use core memory and don't worry about it. ;-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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