Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> So why the fuss?
>>
>> What fuss? We're secure enough in the reliability and stability of our
>> OS not to have to make a song and dance about it. It's only commercial
>> pressures that require M$ to try and bullsh*t the average user that
>> external_show=internal_novelty
> 
> Well, if it's so great, why release a new version of the kernel?
> 
> And if the new kernel is exactly the same as the old one... what's the
> point...? I'm confused...
> 
Incremental improvement rather than massive change. Think of it as
evolution vs (un)ID

John

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Doctor John wrote:

> > Now, all you M$ cheerleaders when are we getting Vista for UltraSPARC?
> > ROTFLMAO

> SPARC still exists...?

  In your world there exists only two processor companies: Intel and AMD,
and there exists only two operating systems, Windows and Linux. Probably
also only two web browsers, IE and Firefox, two office software packages,
MS Office and OpenOffice, two image manipulation programs, Photoshop and
Gimp...

  The world is bigger than you think, and not everything is made of pairs.

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp wrote:
> Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
>> I'm currently compiling one (actually I was already, before reading this 
>> post) - for UltraSPARC :).
> 
>   Why would anyone want to run linux on an UltraSPARC? AFAIK linux still
> doesn't get even close to Solaris in scalability...
> 
http://www.michaeldolan.com/937

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> So why the fuss?
>>
>> What fuss? We're secure enough in the reliability and stability of our
>> OS not to have to make a song and dance about it. It's only commercial
>> pressures that require M$ to try and bullsh*t the average user that
>> external_show=internal_novelty
> 
> Well, if it's so great, why release a new version of the kernel?
> 
> And if the new kernel is exactly the same as the old one... what's the 
> point...? I'm confused...
> 


Are they the same?

http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges

In overall functionality, they are the same.  But changes in each 
version morph it into something that is more versatile.

So the average joe shouldn't run out and upgrade the kernel.

Those who are creating bleeding edge systems may need the most recent 
changes - even those not a part of the official release yet.




Tom

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>> SPARC still exists...?
> 
>   In your world there exists only two processor companies: Intel and AMD,
> and there exists only two operating systems, Windows and Linux. Probably
> also only two web browsers, IE and Firefox, two office software packages,
> MS Office and OpenOffice, two image manipulation programs, Photoshop and
> Gimp...
> 
>   The world is bigger than you think, and not everything is made of pairs.

Well, no, there are *lots* of CPU designs out there. It's just that most 
of them are legacy designs that used to be put in "computers", and now 
get put into TVs and toasters. I'm aware that SPARC used to be big 
business, I just hadn't heard it meantioned in ages, so I assumed it was 
no longer current technology...

As far as OS choices, you've got Windows, Linux and [apparently] OpenBSD 
(which, as best as I can figure out, is exactly like Linux, except that 
it it's also different somehow...) As far as I'm aware, there aren't any 
other operating systems for the IBM PC that are what you could describe 
as "usable" in the normal sense.

There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For 
reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my 
web logs anyway...]

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> As far as OS choices, you've got Windows, Linux and [apparently] OpenBSD 
> (which, as best as I can figure out, is exactly like Linux, except that 
> it it's also different somehow...)

  While OpenBSD and FreeBSD are their own OSes, you are most probably
thinking about NetBSD.

  They may "feel like" linux, but they have nothing to do with Linux.
They have their own kernel completely. Also they have many design principles
(eg. related to security) Linux doesn't. Read more at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbsd

> As far as I'm aware, there aren't any 
> other operating systems for the IBM PC that are what you could describe 
> as "usable" in the normal sense.

  I know you aren't aware of many things. For example that Solaris has been
a very viable alternative unix OS for the IBM PC for some years now (some
claim it has even better out-of-the-box hardware support than many popular
linux distros).

> There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For 
> reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my 
> web logs anyway...]

  Believe it or not, sometimes people must access the WWW without a
fancy graphical user interface, eg. from a text terminal. Firefox and
other similar browsers are absolutely useless in that kind of environment.

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Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> http://www.michaeldolan.com/937

  Sounds like anti-Solaris FUD to me.

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For 
> reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my 
> web logs anyway...]

     I've had the same too, not many granted. Have you seen this site?

       http://www.dejavu.org/

     Click around.  ;)

       ~Steve~




>
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>   While OpenBSD and FreeBSD are their own OSes, you are most probably
> thinking about NetBSD.
> 
>   They may "feel like" linux, but they have nothing to do with Linux.
> They have their own kernel completely. Also they have many design principles
> (eg. related to security) Linux doesn't. Read more at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbsd

Yeah, but aren't they all just implementations of the POSIX standard 
which basically defines exactly how everything has to work anyway?

[On the other hand, I haven't actually tried any of the BSD derivatives 
first, hand...]

>   I know you aren't aware of many things. For example that Solaris has been
> a very viable alternative unix OS for the IBM PC for some years now (some
> claim it has even better out-of-the-box hardware support than many popular
> linux distros).

Interesting. I thought that Solaris only works on Sun hardware. [And, 
either way, that it's quite expensive].

>> There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For 
>> reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my 
>> web logs anyway...]
> 
>   Believe it or not, sometimes people must access the WWW without a
> fancy graphical user interface, eg. from a text terminal.

Interesting... You would think that's a pretty rare requirement.

You would also think that nobody doing this would be bothering to read 
*my* insignificant blog, but hey...

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> Interesting... You would think that's a pretty rare requirement.

Go download Apache source code from a remote server you're ssh'ing to. 
Do you remember the URL to the .tar.gz? Probably not.

lynx httpd.apache.org, browse, and download.

Not to mention Googling for troubleshooting information from said 
server, and maybe ending up in a *blog* explaining how to fix a problem 
or another.

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