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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:02:05 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> Is it possible to buy a laptop that has built-in speakers which aren't a
> joke?
Yes, my T42p has pretty decent speakers on it....
I've also seen a few Dell models with reasonably good speakers on them -
D6xx series and C610/C640 series.
Jim
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:02:05 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>Is it possible to buy a laptop that has built-in speakers which aren't a
>joke?
>
>Is there some theoretical reason why the speakers in a laptop can't
>produce high-quality sound? Or is it merely that manufacturers are eager
>to fit the best, most powerful CPU and sell the unit for the lowest
>possible cost, and fitting a better set of speakers isn't a high priority?
>
>I'm just curios to know...
To get good quality sound from a speaker you need a large=ish speaker
and some volume behind it. So until we can invent a TARDIS like laptop
the answer is no.
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Regards
Stephen
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Is it possible to buy a laptop that has built-in speakers which aren't a
> joke?
>
> Is there some theoretical reason why the speakers in a laptop can't
> produce high-quality sound? Or is it merely that manufacturers are eager
> to fit the best, most powerful CPU and sell the unit for the lowest
> possible cost, and fitting a better set of speakers isn't a high priority?
>
> I'm just curios to know...
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
The Sony Vaio line offers the best built-ins I know about and they're just OK,
not great. They also offer portable and "docking station" type plug-in speakers
to upgrade. They are, however, (IMHO) a bit expensive for what you get.
MacBooks make strong claims about audio quality. I have no clue how true they
are... and again, we're talking bucks deluxe.
I believe the general approach taken by laptop designers is that since laptops
are nearly always single-user personal machines, HQ audio will come through HQ
headphones.
Good luck on the quest. Please post any noteworthy discoveries.
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:02:05 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>I'm just curios to know...
As a follow up question. Does anyone know of a good soundcard for a
laptop. One that has digital I/P and O/P and only needs to use stereo?
--
Regards
Stephen
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote
> Is it possible to buy a laptop that has built-in speakers which aren't a
> joke?
Depends on how big your lap is.
See for yourself why (especially towards the lower end of the audible
spectrum) you need a substantial size to get faithful reproduction:
http://www.mcsquared.com/wavelength.htm
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Is it possible to buy a laptop that has built-in speakers which aren't a
> joke?
I know next to nothing about audio and loudspeaker technology, but as
far as I understand the capability of a loudspeaker to play bass
frequencies is more or less directly proportional to the physical size
of the loudspeaker (you need a larger box to get lower frequencies).
Thus it's very difficult if not impossible to play low frequencies with
very small speakers which do not have any volume to them to speak of.
Thus you will never get high-quality sound from very small speakers.
(One could ask what about headphones. Those are pretty small speakers
and they can play pretty low frequencies. I assume it has something to
do with their physical location with respect to the ear canal.)
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- Warp
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> I've also seen a few Dell models with reasonably good speakers on them -
> D6xx series and C610/C640 series.
The built-in cucumber-cans of D610 and D620 are mostly pathetic.
> Jim
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http://www.zbxt.net
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:01:09 +0300, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>> I've also seen a few Dell models with reasonably good speakers on them
>> - D6xx series and C610/C640 series.
>
> The built-in cucumber-cans of D610 and D620 are mostly pathetic.
My kid just picked up a used D610 and he seemed happy with the speakers
so far.
Jim
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Warp wrote:
> I know next to nothing about audio and loudspeaker technology, but as
> far as I understand the capability of a loudspeaker to play bass
> frequencies is more or less directly proportional to the physical size
> of the loudspeaker (you need a larger box to get lower frequencies).
> Thus it's very difficult if not impossible to play low frequencies with
> very small speakers which do not have any volume to them to speak of.
> Thus you will never get high-quality sound from very small speakers.
>
> (One could ask what about headphones. Those are pretty small speakers
> and they can play pretty low frequencies. I assume it has something to
> do with their physical location with respect to the ear canal.)
Well, actually, I've found a pair of external speakers which are pretty
small, yet seem to produce a surprising amount of bass.
The interesting thing is that the bass frequencies seem to die away
*rapidly* as you move away from the speakers. So I'm hypothesizing that
it's not so much that small speakers don't generate bass, but rather
that it diminishes rapidly with distance. In other words, I hypothesize
that you need a physically large speaker to generate low frequency waves
that will *travel* some distance before dissapating.
What physical basis there is for this hypothesis, I have no idea...
[I also notice that the speakers in question are DAMN HEAVY. This may or
may not be significant...]
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> Yup. My laptop has Harman/Karton speakers. I'm not much into the sound
> industry, but I'm told those are high-qualtiy speakers.
> They certainly sound good. In fact, they sound better than my old TV did.
>
> Of course, I'm no sound expert....
My laptop has speakers that would compare poorly against almost any TV
set imaginable. They're very quiet (you often can't hear them over the
fan) and they rattle like hell at mid-range frequencies in a way that
only the cheapest disposible radio sets can. So if your laptop sounds in
any way comparable to a half-decent TV set, it's much better than what I
have!
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