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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 10:24:59
Message: <47f1024b@news.povray.org>

> I thought that was especially amusing, given that at that exact moment 
> both of us were playing CSS - a game which exists only on the Windoze 
> platform...

Wine AppDB lists "Counter-Strike: Source Retail / Steam" in the top-10 
platinum list ("Applications which install and run flawlessly on an 
out-of-the-box Wine installation").


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 10:29:44
Message: <47f10368$1@news.povray.org>

> The newer Word format is supposedly more open. It's an XML-based format, 
> IIRC. I dunno what sort of proprietary stuff they've crammed into it, 
> though.

It's a direct dump of the binary format internal structure into XML. 
When you see a tag called <useWord97LineBreaks>, what should your 
implementation do?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 10:39:41
Message: <47f105bd@news.povray.org>
> Wine AppDB lists "Counter-Strike: Source Retail / Steam" in the top-10 
> platinum list ("Applications which install and run flawlessly on an 
> out-of-the-box Wine installation").

*one raised eyebrow*

You're telling me a game making intense use of 3D hardware [not to 
mention CPU-intensive physics simulations] will actually work under 
software emulation?

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 10:40:42
Message: <47f105fa@news.povray.org>
>> Similarly, do you know how to edit /etc/X11/Xconfig because you just
>> changed your video card and now X11 crashes on startup?
>>
> <irony> Back when Queen Victoria was a lad</irony> that is the way we
> all did it. If I've made any hardware changes I invariably boot into
> runlevel 3 then startx; if all looks good fine else fire up vi and away
> we go.

> Haven't used a distro's config for a few years now. Call me a dinosaur
> but at least if anything goes wrong I know what I did so I can reverse it.

Well, there are advantages to that too - but it does require you to be a 
complete expert in exactly how everything on the entire machine works in 
order to configure anything.

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From: scott
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 10:44:57
Message: <47f106f9$1@news.povray.org>
>> And yet, I run Vista (Home Premium, even!) on a rather moderate machine. 
>> 2.6 P4, 200GB harddrive, and 2.5G ram. It runs rather smoothly, actually. 
>> I didn't notice any considerable performance drop from WinXP to Vista.
>
> In which universe is a machine with a 200 GB HD and more than 1 GB of RAM 
> considered "moderate"? That sounds pretty high-end to me...

Well not your universe obvously ;-)  In our universe on dell.co.uk you can 
get a core2duo 2.3 GHz with a 20" LCD, 2GB RAM and 320 GB HD for 529 GBP 
total.  And as you keep telling us, Dell's prices are 73x more than 
everywhere else, so I think that is a pretty moderate spec to me :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 10:57:25
Message: <47f109e5@news.povray.org>
>> In which universe is a machine with a 200 GB HD and more than 1 GB of 
>> RAM considered "moderate"? That sounds pretty high-end to me...
> 
> Well not your universe obvously ;-)  In our universe on dell.co.uk you 
> can get a core2duo 2.3 GHz with a 20" LCD, 2GB RAM and 320 GB HD for 529 
> GBP total.  And as you keep telling us, Dell's prices are 73x more than 
> everywhere else, so I think that is a pretty moderate spec to me :-)

Damn. In my universe, anything that says Core 2 Duo on it is likely to 
cost several hundred pounds by itself... :-(

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 11:02:10
Message: <47f10b01@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Damn. In my universe, anything that says Core 2 Duo on it is likely to 
> cost several hundred pounds by itself... :-(

  You mean like in weight?

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 11:03:30
Message: <47f10b52$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Damn. In my universe, anything that says Core 2 Duo on it is likely to 
>> cost several hundred pounds by itself... :-(
> 
>   You mean like in weight?

Well, I've never held an Intel CPU before, but the AMD Athlon X2 I had 
the other week sure was damn heavy for such a tiny little thing...

[What's it made of? Lead??]

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 11:05:52
Message: <47f10be0$1@news.povray.org>

>> Wine AppDB lists "Counter-Strike: Source Retail / Steam" in the top-10 
>> platinum list ("Applications which install and run flawlessly on an 
>> out-of-the-box Wine installation").
> 
> *one raised eyebrow*
> 
> You're telling me a game making intense use of 3D hardware [not to 
> mention CPU-intensive physics simulations] will actually work under 
> software emulation?
> 

Software emulation???

Wine will convert the DirectX calls into OpenGL calls. (well, not 
"convert"; it just has a DirectX "library" where all functions just call 
OpenGL functions)


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 11:05:58
Message: <47f10be6@news.povray.org>
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:47f0f7bb$1@news.povray.org...
>
> And yet, I run Vista (Home Premium, even!) on a rather moderate machine.
>   2.6 P4, 200GB harddrive, and 2.5G ram. It runs rather smoothly,
> actually. I didn't notice any considerable performance drop from WinXP
> to Vista.

Vista Ultimate here on a laptop. Slightly higher spec than yours, but then I
run virtual PC and server apps on it, so it has to be. It plays games pretty
well too.

The only glitch I've had so far is when StarForce copy protection tried to
install itself. One of the 3 drivers isn't signed, so Vista refused to
install it. Would have been fine if StarForce had undone the installation
properly. As it was, I was left with 2 of the 3 drivers installed and got
dumped to the recovery console the next time the laptop booted. Only took
about 5 min to fix, once I found what the problem was.


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