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Chambers wrote:
> Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> Listen I come from the time of MS DOS, I was a noob programmer back
>> then and among compilers, .dll and other basic programming components
>> the chat between close friends was don't use that MS
>> compiler/component/program is very slow, is buggy it doesn't do well
>> this... is crappy. Maybe MS has changed in part that but that's all
>> I'm admitting.
>
> So you don't like them today, because you heard gossip about their
> products 15 years ago?
I read tech news all the time and many ppl complains about MS not doing
something they should have, like in common sense.
>> About MS (lol)... a few months ago Internet Explorer 7 Team invited
>> some Mozilla FIreFox guys to help them better Integrate FireFox into
>> the, back then, up coming Windows "Long Horn" (Vista), but I read in
>> some other article later on, that they basically asked for help to
>> give IE7 tabbed capability and other FireFox security features, with
>> all the millions, sorry BILLIONS... they ask developers from a
>> freeware organization ADVICE. MS develops programming laguages...
>> enough said.
>
> Wow, you mean they were actually humble enough to ask for advice? That's
> really impressive, coming from such a big corporation!
In deed, when billions and the MSDN doesn't cut it YOU HAVE TO.
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I mean, I'm sure MS can do a clone of Firefox with little effort since
it has HUGE resources, they have the programing languages, the programes
and the time and money it would require, so I don't understand why MS
can do it? I'm sure they have very clever ppl that works on a excellence
basis, so why once in a while MS blows it, and yields crappy results, is
it marketing?, is it logistic?, is it administrative interference? human
error? I can, I truly can understand human error but Windows 95?! you
got to be kidding!
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Saul Luizaga escribió:
> The deal is simple: you don't mess with it, it wont mess with you.
It's not fun if I can't mess with it. That's why I prefer Linux :)
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Saul Luizaga escribió:
> I mean, I'm sure MS can do a clone of Firefox with little effort since
> it has HUGE resources, they have the programing languages, the programes
> and the time and money it would require, so I don't understand why MS
> can do it? I'm sure they have very clever ppl that works on a excellence
> basis, so why once in a while MS blows it, and yields crappy results, is
> it marketing?, is it logistic?, is it administrative interference? human
> error? I can, I truly can understand human error but Windows 95?! you
> got to be kidding!
Administrative interference most probably.
http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html
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> I mean, I'm sure MS can do a clone of Firefox with little effort since it
> has HUGE resources, they have the programing languages, the programes and
> the time and money it would require, so I don't understand why MS can do
> it?
Because they think their programmers will make the company more successful
by working on other stuff? It's not like they have 1000 programmers sitting
around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> I'm not sure how related this is...
>
> Three or four people were fired from the Yahoo! Widgets team today.
>
> http://twitter.com/rickyromero/statuses/704725872
Wow, looks like they fired those people, but got the original Yahoo
Widgets engineer back! :|
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:55:06 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:27:57 -0500, Warp wrote:
>>
>>> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscape net> wrote:
>>>> Windows 2000, for me, is
>>>> a master peace of OS, an example of low memory and extreme efficiency
>>> Was that some kind of subtle sarcasm?
>>
>> He meant "masterpiece" - as in he liked it.
>>
>> Jim
> lol, yeah sorry, my english is not very good, masterpiece, yes. I have
> pushed it to see how stable it is, an is ROCK SOLID. I have loaded about
> 45 apps while I was listening music in winamp 2.89, connected to
> internet and surfing/downloading on ADM K6 II-500 Mhz with 256 MB RAM.
> Unless you do a illigal stuff like deleting/closing system stuff in the
> registry/memory or files/folders, wont give you any kind of error.
>
> The deal is simple: you don't mess with it, it wont mess with you.
Yeah, I think of all the versions of Windows I've used, I preferred 2K
over the others. In fact, the VMware machine that I have with Windows in
it has 2000, and it was originally built about 7 years ago.
Jim
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scott wrote:
>> I mean, I'm sure MS can do a clone of Firefox with little effort since
>> it has HUGE resources, they have the programing languages, the
>> programes and the time and money it would require, so I don't
>> understand why MS can do it?
>
> Because they think their programmers will make the company more
> successful by working on other stuff? It's not like they have 1000
> programmers sitting around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.
>
>
For all the MS software out there, they have at least 1000 programmers
on pay roll, besides MS have recruited some of the best ones with their
programming Olympics or something like that.
Well, as someone says: you can manage to fuk up even the simplest thing
to do. Or something like that. There is effort and sacrifice in every
single thing crafted by men, so maybe I was too harsh on MS, maybe
they're solving problems so complicated that the common-sense-level ones
goes by their side without being noticed. But is very annoying anyway
and they replicate IN EVERY WINDOWS VERSION, including Vista: you look
for something that you think sgould be there and guess what MS manages
to put it in a place you'd never think of, not in the same features but
is the same behavior in all versions. The word INTUITIVE must not be
very popular in MS...
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Yeah, I think of all the versions of Windows I've used, I preferred 2K
> over the others. In fact, the VMware machine that I have with Windows in
> it has 2000, and it was originally built about 7 years ago.
>
> Jim
And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago, damn,
if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:41:02 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Yeah, I think of all the versions of Windows I've used, I preferred 2K
>> over the others. In fact, the VMware machine that I have with Windows
>> in it has 2000, and it was originally built about 7 years ago.
>>
>> Jim
>
> And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago, damn,
> if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com
Huh, I never heard of that one.
But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
pages.
Jim
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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> scott wrote:
>>> I mean, I'm sure MS can do a clone of Firefox with little effort
>>> since it has HUGE resources, they have the programing languages, the
>>> programes and the time and money it would require, so I don't
>>> understand why MS can do it?
>>
>> Because they think their programmers will make the company more
>> successful by working on other stuff? It's not like they have 1000
>> programmers sitting around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.
>>
>>
> For all the MS software out there, they have at least 1000 programmers
> on pay roll, besides MS have recruited some of the best ones with their
> programming Olympics or something like that.
>
> Well, as someone says: you can manage to fuk up even the simplest thing
> to do. Or something like that.
I don't know for sure, because my own experience is somewhat limited,
but I think most people who done some thinking on writing good quality
software agree that putting too many (>2) too intelligent (IQ>120)
people on a complicated task is the best way to ensure that you get a
program that a) works to specification b) has bugs in the specification
that no less intelligent person could have exploited and c) is
unmaintanable.
> There is effort and sacrifice in every
> single thing crafted by men, so maybe I was too harsh on MS, maybe
> they're solving problems so complicated that the common-sense-level ones
> goes by their side without being noticed. But is very annoying anyway
> and they replicate IN EVERY WINDOWS VERSION, including Vista: you look
> for something that you think sgould be there and guess what MS manages
> to put it in a place you'd never think of, not in the same features but
> is the same behavior in all versions. The word INTUITIVE must not be
> very popular in MS...
My guess is that in redmont they don't use a MS Windows system,
otherwise a couple of annoying features would have been fixed in w98.
OTOH I heard a rumour that Vista (not using Vista myself) has become
multitasking and that if something goes wrong during a multifile copy
you can now clean up the problem and continue. Or perhaps it was that
they merely finally added a 'no to all' to the 'file exists, replace?'
modal box. On the gripping hand, if they done the latter they could be
sued by Windows/Total Commander and the like for using there monopoly to
force out smaller companies by adding extensions to the OS (using OS in
the perverse way that seems to have become common since MS-windows).
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:29:12 +0100, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:41:02 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago, damn,
>> if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com
>
> Huh, I never heard of that one.
>
> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
> pages.
Try this one:
http://www.nliteos.com
--
FE
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:08 +0100, Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:29:12 +0100, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:41:02 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>>> And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago,
>>> damn, if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com
>>
>> Huh, I never heard of that one.
>>
>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>> pages.
>
>
> Try this one:
> http://www.nliteos.com
Ah, that's better - thanks. :-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
> pages.
ah yeah sorry about that.
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:46:05 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>> pages.
>
> ah yeah sorry about that.
No problem, got pointed to the right page. Looks interesting, might even
come in handy for work. :-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:46:05 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>>> pages.
>> ah yeah sorry about that.
>
> No problem, got pointed to the right page. Looks interesting, might even
> come in handy for work. :-)
>
> Jim
VERY, and to complement this u can buy a copy of Acronis True Image, to
mirror ur C:. For better results move My Documents and all useful data
to other partitions.
If u need easy manipulation of Partitions u can buy Acronis Disk
Director Suit.
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:50:13 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:46:05 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>>>> pages.
>>> ah yeah sorry about that.
>>
>> No problem, got pointed to the right page. Looks interesting, might
>> even come in handy for work. :-)
>>
>> Jim
> VERY, and to complement this u can buy a copy of Acronis True Image, to
> mirror ur C:. For better results move My Documents and all useful data
> to other partitions.
>
> If u need easy manipulation of Partitions u can buy Acronis Disk
> Director Suit.
Or I could use Ghost or ZENWorks Imaging (the latter being something I'm
able to get licenses for, since I work for the company <g> and we use it
for some of our course setups).
The thing we've been trying to resolve is Windows-based product setups.
Because we're not an OEM, we can't distribute Windows VMs to our training
partners. But I personally don't see why we couldn't use sysprep along
with something like this to build a minimalistic image that we could
distribute that the partners have to put their license keys into in order
to use them. We'd have to clear it all with Microsoft (and our own
lawyers), but I think it would fly.
Jim
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