As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in 
bussiness what do you think?

I think they're doing fine and is not the money exclusively, is about a 
philanthropy/philosophy for service for the humanity, or at least is 
hwat I think about it.

Microsoft should invest in making a version of Windows that doesn't need 
so many security patches, since people pays for software now! not for: 
most of the software now and the rest in little peaces called patches 
LATER, oh but you want it faster? they pay for extra speed of support.

I think Microsoft is as pathetic as gigantic they're.

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in
> bussiness what do you think?
>
> I think Microsoft is as pathetic as gigantic they're.

I think M$ is an evil monopoly which should be exterminated.  I'm doing my part
at least...

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And lo on Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:14:12 -0000, Saul Luizaga  

<sau### [at] netscapenet> did spake, saying:

> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions.

It had come to my attention  

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in 
> bussiness what do you think?

  Who cares?

> I think they're doing fine and is not the money exclusively, is about a 
> philanthropy/philosophy for service for the humanity, or at least is 
> hwat I think about it.

  I would wholeheartedly agree if it was Google instead of Yahoo (and,
in fact, MS *has* tried buying Google, which refused).

  But Yahoo? To me it doesn't have such an image as eg. Google has.

  If MS tried to buy the Free Software Foundation, that would be interesting.

> Microsoft should invest in making a version of Windows that doesn't need 
> so many security patches

  I hate to defend Windows by principle, but I can't simply deny facts:
The need for security patches is not a flaw exclusive to Windows, nor one
can fairly expect an OS of that size to be completely flawless. The Linux
kernel receives regular security patches, and this is true for most other
OSes as well (such as Solaris and MacOS X).

  What MS should do is to make their OS more efficient, lighter and with
increased usability. They like to plagiate ideas from MacOS X, but they
fail to replicate its user-friendliness and robustness.

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Yahoo is evil and pathetic.  The cultures suffer from the same flaws. A nice
fit.

I think Google should not fight it.


"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> > As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in
> > bussiness what do you think?
> >
> > I think Microsoft is as pathetic as gigantic they're.
>
> I think M$ is an evil monopoly which should be exterminated.  I'm doing my part
> at least...

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> Microsoft should

MS has lots of money to pay very clever people with lots of experience to 
help decide their strategy - you think you can make MS more profitable than 
they can?

> invest in making a version of Windows that doesn't need so many security 
> patches, since people pays for software now! not for: most of the software 
> now and the rest in little peaces called patches LATER,

So you mean that instead of everyone in the world using Vista and finding 
bugs within a year, MS employees should do this (it would probably take 5 or 
10 years) and only then release Vista?  MS would probably be bankrupt by 
then!

> oh but you want it faster? they pay for extra speed of support.

Are you suggesting support should be free?  But it's not free, someone needs 
to pay for it, so it would go on the price of Windows, which would mean a 
lot of people paying for it who never use it, and more importantly, a lot of 
people not buying it because it's too expensive.

> I think Microsoft is as pathetic as gigantic they're.

The company accounts say otherwise...

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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in 
> bussiness what do you think?

Yahoo is still going?

Oh well, no loss...

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote

> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in
> bussiness what do you think?
>
> I think they're doing fine and is not the money exclusively, is about a
> philanthropy/philosophy for service for the humanity,

What are you smoking?

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Warp wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in 
>> bussiness what do you think?
> 
>   Who cares?
> 

I'm still trying to figure out why ...

> 
>   If MS tried to buy the Free Software Foundation, that would be interesting.
> 

Don't give them any bright ideas ;)

Though, I seemed to have read somewhere that MS was considering 
releasing the source to the .NET framework ....

nevermind, they already have: http://tinyurl.com/2cfh5w

>   I hate to defend Windows by principle, but I can't simply deny facts:
> The need for security patches is not a flaw exclusive to Windows, nor one
> can fairly expect an OS of that size to be completely flawless. The Linux
> kernel receives regular security patches, and this is true for most other
> OSes as well (such as Solaris and MacOS X).
> 
>   What MS should do is to make their OS more efficient, lighter and with
> increased usability. They like to plagiate ideas from MacOS X, but they
> fail to replicate its user-friendliness and robustness.

Well said. Most vulnerabilities crop up because someone found a clever 
way to circumvent the normal operation of an application in ways the 
original creator of the application never considered.

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>   But Yahoo? To me it doesn't have such an image as eg. Google has.

speaking of image, Yahoo has Flickr, which in my book is one of the best online
apps ever.  It pleases the eyes very much and my daughter loves searching for
doll photos...

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nemesis escribió:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>>   But Yahoo? To me it doesn't have such an image as eg. Google has.
> 
> speaking of image, Yahoo has Flickr, which in my book is one of the best online
> apps ever.  It pleases the eyes very much and my daughter loves searching for
> doll photos...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/knasclass/2249652433/in/pool-microsoft-keep-your-evil-grubby-hands-off-our-flickr

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> nemesis escribió:
> > Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> >>   But Yahoo? To me it doesn't have such an image as eg. Google has.
> >
> > speaking of image, Yahoo has Flickr, which in my book is one of the best online
> > apps ever.  It pleases the eyes very much and my daughter loves searching for
> > doll photos...
>
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/knasclass/2249652433/in/pool-microsoft-keep-your-evil-grubby-hands-off-our-flickr

LOL!  lots of sensible people there, no doubt! ;)

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nemesis escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
>> nemesis escribió:
>>> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>>>>   But Yahoo? To me it doesn't have such an image as eg. Google has.
>>> speaking of image, Yahoo has Flickr, which in my book is one of the best online
>>> apps ever.  It pleases the eyes very much and my daughter loves searching for
>>> doll photos...
>>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/knasclass/2249652433/in/pool-microsoft-keep-your-evil-grubby-hands-off-our-flickr
> 
> LOL!  lots of sensible people there, no doubt! ;)

Oops wrong link. I wanted to link to the whole group:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/microsoft-keep-your-evil-grubby-hands-off-our-flickr/pool/

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> nemesis escribió:
>> Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
>>> nemesis escribió:
>>>> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>>>>>   But Yahoo? To me it doesn't have such an image as eg. Google has.
>>>> speaking of image, Yahoo has Flickr, which in my book is one of the 
>>>> best online
>>>> apps ever.  It pleases the eyes very much and my daughter loves 
>>>> searching for
>>>> doll photos...
>>>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/knasclass/2249652433/in/pool-microsoft-keep-your-evil-grubby-hands-off-our-flickr

>>>
>>
>> LOL!  lots of sensible people there, no doubt! ;)
> 
> Oops wrong link. I wanted to link to the whole group:
>
http://www.flickr.com/groups/microsoft-keep-your-evil-grubby-hands-off-our-flickr/pool/

> 

Been wondering what would come of flickr if MS's deal to purchase Yahoo 
goes through. Hmmm.

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Mike Raiford escribió:
> Been wondering what would come of flickr if MS's deal to purchase Yahoo 
> goes through. Hmmm.

"What are we likely to see as the result of the Microsoft-Yahoo takeover?"
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3370651

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Warp wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in 
>> bussiness what do you think?
> 
>   Who cares?

Well, me for instance, and I don't have a yahoo free e-mail account but
millions of  people do, and competition among free e-mail suppliers is
good for quality service. Why you think Yahoo!, AIM, Hotmail and others
have now huge Inboxes (about 5 GB) and a year or 2 ago was only about
5MB? I think is worth it that yahoo! keeps walking by itself.

>   I would wholeheartedly agree if it was Google instead of Yahoo (and,
> in fact, MS *has* tried buying Google, which refused).
> 
>   But Yahoo? To me it doesn't have such an image as eg. Google has.

I know Google is the best thing on the Internet for what Google does,
(Internet and Office tools) but Yahoo! is good enough to stay on  The
Net, IMO.

> 
>   If MS tried to buy the Free Software Foundation, that would be interesting.

That is MS & Bill Gates wet dream, dooms day for MS competition at the
best price possible (free).

>   I hate to defend Windows by principle, but I can't simply deny facts:
> The need for security patches is not a flaw exclusive to Windows, nor one
> can fairly expect an OS of that size to be completely flawless. The Linux
> kernel receives regular security patches, and this is true for most other
> OSes as well (such as Solaris and MacOS X).
> 
>   What MS should do is to make their OS more efficient, lighter and with
> increased usability.

I agree completely, the only improvements MS does on their Windows OS
are on the next version they don't really add new functions or improve
the current ones, except maybe for SP2 of WinXP.

  They like to plagiate ideas from MacOS X, but they
> fail to replicate its user-friendliness and robustness.
> 
I know security patches even apply to software like FireFox, Seamonkey,
Adobe Acrobat Reader and other but I think MS is overdue on this aspect.

For example did you know that Messenger service must be disabled as a
security practice? Service like in Windows' Service, not the application
itself.

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scott wrote:
> MS has lots of money to pay very clever people with lots of experience 
> to help decide their strategy - you think you can make MS more 
> profitable than they can?

Yes  in fact I do, at least I'd doa better job than you since at the 
seems all you can think of is in a bunch of absurd and exaggerated ideas 
that can be confused with retarded ones. Try to give some more matures 
opinions would you?

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Invisible wrote:
> Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay 
>> in bussiness what do you think?
> 
> Yahoo is still going?
> 
> Oh well, no loss...
> 
Well actually I think indirectly we all loose if Yahoo! call it quits.

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somebody wrote:
> "Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote
> 
>> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in
>> bussiness what do you think?
>>
>> I think they're doing fine and is not the money exclusively, is about a
>> philanthropy/philosophy for service for the humanity,
> 
> What are you smoking?
> 
> 

What do you have for brains? can you think in something better to write?

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> >   If MS tried to buy the Free Software Foundation, that would be interesting.
>
> That is MS & Bill Gates wet dream, dooms day for MS competition at the
> best price possible (free).

That would only mean Bill'd be the copyright owner of several important GPL
projects.  Unfortunately for him, said copyright specifically grants the right
to others to copy and change the software the license covers.  If that day ever
happened, day 2 would see some thousands of forks for said software...

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > "Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote
> >
> >> As you maight know for $us. 44.6 Billions. I think Yahoo should stay in
> >> bussiness what do you think?
> >>
> >> I think they're doing fine and is not the money exclusively, is about a
> >> philanthropy/philosophy for service for the humanity,
> >
> > What are you smoking?
> >
> >
>
> What do you have for brains? can you think in something better to write?

well, you should agree that Yahoo! is not "about a philanthropy/philosophy for
service for the humanity".  They are at it for the money just as much as M$.

what I can't agree is this much influence, money and power concentrated so
tightly in the hands of a single american company...

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> a écrit dans le message de news: 
47ae138b@news.povray.org...
> I know Google is the best thing on the Internet for what Google does,
> (Internet and Office tools) but Yahoo! is good enough to stay on  The
> Net, IMO.

To make things clear: Google and Yahoo are *** advertising networks ***. 
This what they do for a living: sell advertising space and other marketing 
services. What they offer - search engines, image banks, email services, 
office apps etc. is just a sideshow, or to use marketroid speach, assets to 
be leveraged, that only exist to bring ads to your desktop.

Say what you want about Microsoft, it's still primarily a software company 
that creates and sells IT products. Google and Yahoo only exist to make you 
buy noodles, porn and garden tools. Of course, MS would like a piece of that 
cake too, but think twice about saying that "Google is the best thing on the 
internet".

G.

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> that only exist to bring ads to your desktop.

"It is to be remembered that the reason we have programs on television 
and music on radio is that nobody wants to listen to the advertisements."

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> "Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 47ae138b@news.povray.org...
>> I know Google is the best thing on the Internet for what Google does,
>> (Internet and Office tools) but Yahoo! is good enough to stay on  The
>> Net, IMO.
> 
> To make things clear: Google and Yahoo are *** advertising networks ***. 
> This what they do for a living: sell advertising space and other marketing 
> services. What they offer - search engines, image banks, email services, 
> office apps etc. is just a sideshow, or to use marketroid speach, assets to 
> be leveraged, that only exist to bring ads to your desktop.

Point taken. BUT some Google produts are free of ads and are useful so 
your afirmation falls short here.

> Say what you want about Microsoft, it's still primarily a software company 
> that creates and sells IT products.

Which are in many cases slower and sometimes so crappy. I've heard so 
many times saying I'm not using this MS product because is too slow, 
features are difficult to use, lacks of this and that, the GUI is a 
mess, this product does better on this and that... This is why they're 
are as pathetic as gigantic they are. Money doesn't mean necessarily 
that you have the best product or you're the best at something, but MS 
should since has all the resources it needs to accomplish that.

Many people buy MS just for the "compatibility" with Windows and because 
they think MS is just great for some reason I can't understand. One 
thing I can say about MS without fear of mistaken is that they excel in 
mediocrity.

> Google and Yahoo only exist to make you 
> buy noodles, porn and garden tools.

You fall short here too, they exist so that you don't spend countless 
hours searching for some product on your own, they have made bullet 
speed search engines and offer lots of resources to find the service you 
  need, no matter how odd it may seem.

> Of course, MS would like a piece of that 
> cake too,

they want a peace of everything so they can be mediocre on it.

  but think twice about saying that "Google is the best thing on the
> internet".
> 
> G.

I frankly think it is, I don't have to think twice about it, and you 
should read the whole sentence to realize what I meant, you missed :"... 
best thing on the internet for what they do", not on everything possible 
as you tried to show that I said that.

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nemesis wrote:
> well, you should agree that Yahoo! is not "about a philanthropy/philosophy for
> service for the humanity".  They are at it for the money just as much as M$.

http://forgood.yahoo.com/index.html

And Google has many tools you can use for free, I know everything free 
needs economic support anyway, hence the ads and the comercial versions, 
but is IMO is a low price to pay for so many useful things Google has to 
offer. I use mostly Google's search engine and "ad sense" brings a few 
lines of ads, oh please! Is ridiculously chep in exchange for the 
usefulness of the ingo I get. OK, take 'Google Desktop', makes a good 
job indexing your files and is free (you have a choice to not to install 
Google Toolbar on  the installation process).

For all this I say they strive for philanthropy/philosophy for
service for the humanity as much as possible.

> what I can't agree is this much influence, money and power concentrated so
> tightly in the hands of a single american company...

agree.

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> a écrit dans le message de news:
> You fall short here too, they exist so that you don't spend countless 
> hours searching for some product on your own, they have made bullet speed 
> search engines and offer lots of resources to find the service you need, 
> no matter how odd it may seem.

The search engines have exactly one purpose, which is to collect the search 
words from you and me and turn them into keywords (adwords) that are in turn 
sold to their clients (who bid on the words). The search engines and the 
other Google and Yahoo products are actually datamining tools, even if they 
don't carry ads themselves. This is why they are so efficient.
In 2006, 99% of Google's revenue (10.6 billion dollars) came from 
advertising 
(http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/000119312507044494/d10k.htm).

It doesn't meant that Google and Yahoo don't provide good services, but we 
shouldn't be blind to the reason why they provide these services. "Don't be 
evil" is nothing much than a marketing slogan. And if they were to 
disappear, the void would be filled instantly by other ad networks.

(by the way, I was always intrigued by the fact that a lot of Google 
services are in perpetual beta. A regular IT company would suffer from this 
(see what delaying Vista costed Microsoft), but Google, as an advertising 
company, obviously uses the betas as testbeds for datamining ideas, and 
drops them if they fail to generate ad revenue, direct or indirect).

G.


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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote

> > well, you should agree that Yahoo! is not "about a
philanthropy/philosophy for
> > service for the humanity".  They are at it for the money just as much as
M$.
>
> http://forgood.yahoo.com/index.html

Every large company has some sort of a "do good/feel good" program, it's a
marketing necessity nowadays, not out of "philanthropy/philosophy for
service for the humanity" (!?). And don't forget Bill & Melinda Gates
Foundation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

Knee jerk reaction is to root for the ""underdog"" and disparage the
"overdog", but MS is probably more "greener" than Yahoo, and if your motive
is truly philantrophy and not simply being anti-MS, it makes more sens to
root for Bill: More of each $1000 you put in Bill's pocket will go to good
causes than from $100 you put into pockets of 10 different people.

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speaking of internet ads, I've never clicked on them.  Save when trying to
support sites such as povray.org or slashdot.org.

Google ads are incredibly non-intrusive and actually fun to watch.  They are not
those whole-page Flash animation, but are very fun to watch when trying to match
my preferences based on email content... :)

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Saul Luizaga escribió:
> Gilles Tran wrote:
>>
>> To make things clear: Google and Yahoo are *** advertising networks 
>> ***. This what they do for a living: sell advertising space and other 
>> marketing services. What they offer - search engines, image banks, 
>> email services, office apps etc. is just a sideshow, or to use 
>> marketroid speach, assets to be leveraged, that only exist to bring 
>> ads to your desktop.
> 
> Point taken. BUT some Google produts are free of ads and are useful so 
> your afirmation falls short here.

AFAIK, their search engine was ad-free for a long while. Ads were added 
once they already had lots of users. So they will probably do the same 
with the rest of their products.

>> Say what you want about Microsoft, it's still primarily a software 
>> company that creates and sells IT products.
> 
> Which are in many cases slower and sometimes so crappy.

Slower than what? You better not be comparing speed between Microsoft 
software and Google web application! Nothing is slower than a web 
application :)

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Gilles Tran escribió:
> (by the way, I was always intrigued by the fact that a lot of Google 
> services are in perpetual beta. A regular IT company would suffer from this 
> (see what delaying Vista costed Microsoft), but Google, as an advertising 
> company, obviously uses the betas as testbeds for datamining ideas, and 
> drops them if they fail to generate ad revenue, direct or indirect).

Perpetual beta is a "feature" of Web 2.0. (Whatever that means)

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Saul Luizaga escribió:
> nemesis wrote:
>> well, you should agree that Yahoo! is not "about a 
>> philanthropy/philosophy for
>> service for the humanity".  They are at it for the money just as much 
>> as M$.
> 
> http://forgood.yahoo.com/index.html

And Microsoft donates LOTS to charity, and Google has 
http://google.org/. Your point?

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> Saul Luizaga escribió:
> > nemesis wrote:
> >> well, you should agree that Yahoo! is not "about a
> >> philanthropy/philosophy for
> >> service for the humanity".  They are at it for the money just as much
> >> as M$.
> >
> > http://forgood.yahoo.com/index.html
>
> And Microsoft donates LOTS to charity, and Google has
> http://google.org/. Your point?

oh, how beautiful!  Monopolies with a soul, megacorps with a soft spot... ain't
mankind making progress from the days where slavery was the rule and coal mine
workers died from lung cancer?...

Now we have megaoligopolies with a heart, execs in suit with a Mickey Mouse
positive thinking, caring for the well being of their employees and society.
They take billions a year and in return give away a few million bucks to help
out those poor souls who have no water, no food, no house and no Vista...

that's touching...

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> Gilles Tran escribió:
> > (by the way, I was always intrigued by the fact that a lot of Google
> > services are in perpetual beta. A regular IT company would suffer from this
> > (see what delaying Vista costed Microsoft), but Google, as an advertising
> > company, obviously uses the betas as testbeds for datamining ideas, and
> > drops them if they fail to generate ad revenue, direct or indirect).
>
> Perpetual beta is a "feature" of Web 2.0. (Whatever that means)

beta or not, I've never experienced crashes or much bugs with GMail (+Firefox)
or GoogleEarth as I have with M$oftware...

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
news:47aeba0a@news.povray.org...

> Point taken. BUT some Google produts are free of ads and are useful

As are a lot of MS products.

> > Say what you want about Microsoft, it's still primarily a software
company
> > that creates and sells IT products.

> Which are in many cases slower and sometimes so crappy.

Than what? How do you measure crappiness?

> I've heard so
> many times saying I'm not using this MS product because is too slow,
> features are difficult to use, lacks of this and that, the GUI is a
> mess, this product does better on this and that...

It's natural to say that about the software products you use. I've said that
about *all* software vendors I dealt with. The fact that MS singles out in
your mind only means that you have used more MS products than other vendors,
nothing more.

Software development isn't easy, unless you are a one trick pony, don't have
an installed customer base, have interoperability requirements, need to
support users, have to respect backwards compatibility, respond to user
demands... etc.

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somebody wrote:
> Every large company has some sort of a "do good/feel good" program, it's a
> marketing necessity nowadays, not out of "philanthropy/philosophy for
> service for the humanity" (!?).

It is, maybe not 100% altruistic but it is, and that si the important thing.

  And don't forget Bill & Melinda Gates
> Foundation:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
> 
> Knee jerk reaction is to root for the ""underdog"" and disparage the
> "overdog", but MS is probably more "greener" than Yahoo, and if your motive
> is truly philantrophy and not simply being anti-MS, it makes more sens to
> root for Bill: More of each $1000 you put in Bill's pocket will go to good
> causes than from $100 you put into pockets of 10 different people.
> 
> 
LOL, yeah right dude...

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Saul Luizaga escribió:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> well, you should agree that Yahoo! is not "about a 
>>> philanthropy/philosophy for
>>> service for the humanity".  They are at it for the money just as much 
>>> as M$.
>>
>> http://forgood.yahoo.com/index.html
> 
> And Microsoft donates LOTS to charity, and Google has 
> http://google.org/. Your point?
read the whole treead

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somebody wrote:
> "Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
> news:47aeba0a@news.povray.org...
> 
>> Point taken. BUT some Google produts are free of ads and are useful
> 
> As are a lot of MS products.
> 
>>> Say what you want about Microsoft, it's still primarily a software
> company
>>> that creates and sells IT products.
> 
>> Which are in many cases slower and sometimes so crappy.
> 
> Than what?

Than other products of course.

> How do you measure crappiness?

Does it matter? like everyone else then. I made the comparisions not 
only for applications but also for programing languages and components, 
so yes MS is  A CRAPPY COMPANY, and I don't care if everyone think 
otherwise.

>> I've heard so
>> many times saying I'm not using this MS product because is too slow,
>> features are difficult to use, lacks of this and that, the GUI is a
>> mess, this product does better on this and that...
> 
> It's natural to say that about the software products you use. I've said that
> about *all* software vendors I dealt with.

you have no judgment criteria then...

 > The fact that MS singles out in
> your mind only means that you have used more MS products than other vendors,
> nothing more.

hahaha, like you know my mind and you know exactly what software I have 
or not, you're so wrong here in so many levels.

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Don't make this into a flamewar, please...

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Don't make this into a flamewar, please...
I'm not the one pretending to know some guys' mind and software

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
news:47b095d1@news.povray.org...
> somebody wrote:

> > Every large company has some sort of a "do good/feel good" program, it's
a
> > marketing necessity nowadays, not out of "philanthropy/philosophy for
> > service for the humanity" (!?).

> It is, maybe not 100% altruistic but it is, and that si the important
thing.

Let me rephrase it: Yahoo is no more or no less altruistic than any other
company of that scale.

>>   And don't forget Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
> >
> > Knee jerk reaction is to root for the ""underdog"" and disparage the
> > "overdog", but MS is probably more "greener" than Yahoo, and if your
motive
> > is truly philantrophy and not simply being anti-MS, it makes more sens
to
> > root for Bill: More of each $1000 you put in Bill's pocket will go to
good
> > causes than from $100 you put into pockets of 10 different people.

> LOL, yeah right dude...

That's not an argument. Mine follows straightforward from the law of
diminishing returns.

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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> I'm not the one pretending to know some guys' mind and software

I think the problem is you're presenting personal judgements as facts. 
Rather than "I find MS's software to be crappy," you say "MS makes 
crappy software."  The very "MS is a crappy company, and it doesn't 
matter what everyone else thinks" sounds very bigoted.

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Darren New wrote:
> Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> I'm not the one pretending to know some guys' mind and software
> 
> I think the problem is you're presenting personal judgements as facts. 
> Rather than "I find MS's software to be crappy," you say "MS makes 
> crappy software."  The very "MS is a crappy company, and it doesn't 
> matter what everyone else thinks" sounds very bigoted.
> 
ok ok, maybe I'm exagerating here, but MS HAS done some very crappy 
software, you can't tell me I'm wrong in that. Windows 2000, for me, is 
a master peace of OS, an example of low memory and extreme efficiency 
and stability, something MS forgot when they made WinXP. Since WinXP is 
a hybrid between Win2K and WinME, I think they put too much of WinME in XP.

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somebody wrote:
> "Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
> news:47b095d1@news.povray.org...
>> somebody wrote:
> 
>>> Every large company has some sort of a "do good/feel good" program, it's
> a
>>> marketing necessity nowadays, not out of "philanthropy/philosophy for
>>> service for the humanity" (!?).
> 
>> It is, maybe not 100% altruistic but it is, and that si the important
> thing.
> 
> Let me rephrase it: Yahoo is no more or no less altruistic than any other
> company of that scale.

maybe... maybe not, I give them the benefit of doubt, unless of course, 
you know, first hand, better/otherwise.

>>>   And don't forget Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
>>>
>>> Knee jerk reaction is to root for the ""underdog"" and disparage the
>>> "overdog", but MS is probably more "greener" than Yahoo, and if your
> motive
>>> is truly philantrophy and not simply being anti-MS, it makes more sens
> to
>>> root for Bill: More of each $1000 you put in Bill's pocket will go to
> good
>>> causes than from $100 you put into pockets of 10 different people.
> 
>> LOL, yeah right dude...
> 
> That's not an argument. Mine follows straightforward from the law of
> diminishing returns.

   Oh dude... I don't have enough words to describe my disgust for Bill 
gates and Microcrap.

   Listen I come from the time of MS DOS, I was a noob programmer back 
then and among compilers, .dll and other basic programming components 
the chat between close friends was don't use that MS 
compiler/component/program is very slow, is buggy it doesn't do well 
this... is crappy. Maybe MS has changed in part that but that's all I'm 
admitting.


About MS (lol)... a few months ago Internet Explorer 7 Team invited some 
  Mozilla FIreFox guys to help them better Integrate FireFox into the, 
back then, up coming Windows "Long Horn" (Vista), but I read in some 
other article later on, that they basically asked for help to give IE7 
tabbed capability and other FireFox security features, with all the 
millions, sorry BILLIONS... they ask developers from a freeware 
organization ADVICE. MS develops programming laguages... enough said.

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I'm not sure how related this is...

Three or four people were fired from the Yahoo! Widgets team today.

http://twitter.com/rickyromero/statuses/704725872

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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> ok ok, maybe I'm exagerating here, but MS HAS done some very crappy 
> software, you can't tell me I'm wrong in that.

No dispute with that, indeed.  But it tends to disappear pretty quickly, 
just like everyone else's crappy software.  Microsoft Bob? Windows ME?

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Darren New wrote:
> Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> ok ok, maybe I'm exagerating here, but MS HAS done some very crappy 
>> software, you can't tell me I'm wrong in that.
> 
> No dispute with that, indeed.  But it tends to disappear pretty quickly, 
> just like everyone else's crappy software.  Microsoft Bob? Windows ME?
> 
True and I hope that tendecy continues :)

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Windows 2000, for me, is 
> a master peace of OS, an example of low memory and extreme efficiency

  Was that some kind of subtle sarcasm?

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Saul Luizaga wrote:
>   Listen I come from the time of MS DOS, I was a noob programmer back 
> then and among compilers, .dll and other basic programming components 
> the chat between close friends was don't use that MS 
> compiler/component/program is very slow, is buggy it doesn't do well 
> this... is crappy. Maybe MS has changed in part that but that's all I'm 
> admitting.

So you don't like them today, because you heard gossip about their 
products 15 years ago?

> About MS (lol)... a few months ago Internet Explorer 7 Team invited some 
>  Mozilla FIreFox guys to help them better Integrate FireFox into the, 
> back then, up coming Windows "Long Horn" (Vista), but I read in some 
> other article later on, that they basically asked for help to give IE7 
> tabbed capability and other FireFox security features, with all the 
> millions, sorry BILLIONS... they ask developers from a freeware 
> organization ADVICE. MS develops programming laguages... enough said.

Wow, you mean they were actually humble enough to ask for advice? 
That's really impressive, coming from such a big corporation!

-- 
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www.pacificwebguy.com

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:27:57 -0500, Warp wrote:

> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> Windows 2000, for me, is
>> a master peace of OS, an example of low memory and extreme efficiency
> 
>   Was that some kind of subtle sarcasm?

He meant "masterpiece" - as in he liked it.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:27:57 -0500, Warp wrote:
> 
>> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>>> Windows 2000, for me, is
>>> a master peace of OS, an example of low memory and extreme efficiency
>>   Was that some kind of subtle sarcasm?
> 
> He meant "masterpiece" - as in he liked it.
> 
> Jim
lol, yeah sorry, my english is not very good, masterpiece, yes. I have 
pushed it to see how stable it is, an is ROCK SOLID. I have loaded about 
45 apps while I was listening music in winamp 2.89, connected to 
internet and surfing/downloading on ADM K6 II-500 Mhz with 256 MB RAM. 
Unless you do a illigal stuff like deleting/closing system stuff in the 
registry/memory or files/folders, wont give you any kind of error.

  The deal is simple: you don't mess with it, it wont mess with you.

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