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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 10:50:00
Message: <web.473c6a39e392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> >> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
> >
> > Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not pass the FDA
> > tests.
>
> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)

Sobriety!

Joking aside, my grandmother was prescribed a glass of Guinness a day after
being in hospital. Also alcohol is used in tinctures to dissolve other drugs.
BTW Queen Victoria was prescribed tincture of cannabis, so there, we were
amused :)


Stephen


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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 11:17:25
Message: <473c7115$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> 
>>> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
>>
>> Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not
>> pass the FDA
>> tests.
> 
> Random: It has been conjectured that Asprin would be prescription-only
> if it was discovered today.

If Asprin were not discovered till today, codeine would be over the
counter. Or we would have THC pain pills, or both.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 11:59:48
Message: <473c7b04@news.povray.org>
Sabrina Kilian nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/15 11:17:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
>>> Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not
>>> pass the FDA
>>> tests.
>> Random: It has been conjectured that Asprin would be prescription-only
>> if it was discovered today.
> 
> If Asprin were not discovered till today, codeine would be over the
> counter. Or we would have THC pain pills, or both.
You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the shelves.
You still have next to no chance of finding THC anywhere legaly.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
"Sure, everyone's in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but when you put it into 
the body of a great white shark, suddenly you're a madman." 
             --Futurama

Did you know that Al Capone's business card said he was a used furniture dealer.


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From: Ross
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 12:03:46
Message: <473c7bf2$1@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> Ross wrote:
>  > I hate going out with the sole purpose of drinking.
>
> Now, if you'd said 'the sole purpose of getting drunk' I'd agree, but I
> usually go to pubs with two main aims; a) socialising with friends, and
> b) (sometimes primarily) drinking fine beers whose taste I enjoy and
> savour. As a side effect, we naturally become somewhat slarmy and end
> up, obviously completely coincidentally, having a hilariously good time.
> ;-)
>
> I particularly like the mid-colour British real ales (as distinguished
> from the somewhat ambiguous term 'bitter' by their method of delivery -
> the good ales are usually hand-pulled from non-pressurised casks),
> grades B-D on the scale A-E, A being lager-coloured and E being
> Guinness-coloured.

Don't get me wrong, I love the taste of good beer. I've brewed my own in the
past. I'd rather do it in the comfort of a friends patio or home.


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 12:35:50
Message: <473c8376@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:

> 
> I particularly like the mid-colour British real ales (as distinguished 
> from the somewhat ambiguous term 'bitter' by their method of delivery - 
> the good ales are usually hand-pulled from non-pressurised casks), 
> grades B-D on the scale A-E, A being lager-coloured and E being 
> Guinness-coloured.
> 
> I'm also rather fond of German and Belgian beers (especially the ones 
> from those Trappist monasteries - consume with caution!), which for 
> sheer variety of flavour and strength cannot be beaten anywhere in the 
> world, although some New Zealand beers get quite close.
> 
I drink 2-3 beers a week, corresponding to the 2-3 days I teach each 
week. I find that after 7-8 hours on my feet in a classroom, that my 
tired legs and complaining stomach just can't seem to make it past a 
little establishment close to my apartment called 'Ryan's Pub.'  There 
is always an available table, I am served a cheeseburger done exactly 
how I like it, from a waiting staff of unflaggingly pretty and friendly 
young females.  I tip them obscenely, they attend to me in kind. There 
are a number of plasma screens with different sporting events, and it 
seems an all-around happy way to relax and be fed.

I enjoy the beer as food, rather than inebriant.  But I am unable to 
describe the type of beer I like reliably.  The descriptions of the 
different brands on the menu have little association for me. I guess I 
seek some sort of tradeoff between what I think of as a 'clean' taste, 
and the amount of flavor. I want clean, not watery.  Also I like a 
flavour a bit like roasted oats? Not sure what I mean by that myself. 
Anyway my current favourites are Stella Artois and Sapporo.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 15:23:40
Message: <473caacc$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)

I only drink for medicinal reasons. And I've been feeling rather poorly 
these past few years.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     Remember the good old days, when we
     used to complain about cryptography
     being export-restricted?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 15:24:50
Message: <473cab12$1@news.povray.org>
Alain wrote:
> You still have next to no chance of finding THC anywhere legaly.

Well, by prescription, it's not hard to find. It treats Gloucoma

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     Remember the good old days, when we
     used to complain about cryptography
     being export-restricted?


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 15:44:32
Message: <473cafb0@news.povray.org>
Alain wrote:

> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the 
> shelves.

I was going to say - isn't codeine a common ingredient in cough syrup?


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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 19:54:31
Message: <473cea47$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Alain wrote:
> 
>> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the
>> shelves.
> 
> I was going to say - isn't codeine a common ingredient in cough syrup?

Depends on the country. Even codeine cough syrup is restricted drug in
America. Putting a tiny bit with tylenol/paracetamol suddenly makes is
illegal to possess without a prescription.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 20:00:55
Message: <473cebc7$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v7 nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/15 15:44:
> Alain wrote:
> 
>> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the 
>> shelves.
> 
> I was going to say - isn't codeine a common ingredient in cough syrup?
Cough syrup, some analgesic pills, some others...
I can have many at my local pharmacy.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
   I was making love to this girl and she started crying. I said,  "Are you 
going to hate yourself in the morning?" She said, "No, I hate Myself now."
	Rodney Dangerfield


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 15 Nov 2007 20:43:36
Message: <473cf5c8$1@news.povray.org>
Sabrina Kilian escribió:
> Depends on the country. Even codeine cough syrup is restricted drug in
> America.

America is a continent. Maybe you meant that big country on the north?

</semi-rant>


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 16 Nov 2007 03:30:01
Message: <web.473d54b1e392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the shelves.
> You still have next to no chance of finding THC anywhere legaly.
>
>

Duh! I get my codeine from the doctor and my THC from the coffee shop. What is
wrong with life? :)

Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 16 Nov 2007 05:25:00
Message: <web.473d6f1be392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> >> Ross wrote:
> >
> >> I'm also rather fond of German and Belgian beers (especially the ones
> >> from those Trappist monasteries - consume with caution!), which for
> >> sheer variety of flavour and strength cannot be beaten anywhere in the
> >> world, although some New Zealand beers get quite close.
> >
> > Have you tried Hoegaarden? I must say that I am fond of it.
>
> Hmm, I can take or leave Hoegaarden; I find the taste a little strange.
> For widely available draught beer I prefer Leffe, especially the darker
> (brune) variety. That's the beauty of these beers though; the wide range
> caters to all tastes! Some of the fruit beers (e.g. Fruli) are starting
> to become available over here too now, although they're definitely not
> for all palates.
>
> > prefer the chemical stuff, I lost the taste for real beer in London and I can’t
> > get a pint of heavy.
>
> Ahh that's a shame. It's worth trying ales from all over the UK though,
> the flavours are as varied as the continental ones. Most real ale
> doesn't tend to travel very far because the breweries are small.

I lost the taste for real ales during a period when they tasted worse than my
home brew. Now because I travel a lot I’ll drink the local version of lager. I
like Stella and I liked Star in Nigeria, I’ll drink VB if I can get it but I
usually stick to Red Stripe. When I was working at D&G I promised to keep
drinking it to help their economy. That is true and it is one promise that I
will keep as long as I can. (Thanks Jenny) :)
As a side effect I don’t like the “heavy” (a type of beer) I used to drink when
I lived in Scotland.

> > You can certainly build up a tolerance :) I’ve lost mine for beer, the volume us
> > too much for my stomach. Three pints and I spin, pitch and yaw. But whisky, I
> > can drink that until I fall down and still feel OK.
>
> Ah, now whisky's another tipple I have time for, particularly the single
> malts. Scotch seems to have the widest range (Talisker is a personal
> favourite), but there are a couple of good Irish ones too (whiskey in
> that case - note the e, pedants). I'm not keen on bourbon; some might
> say it barely qualifies as whiskey but I shan't be going down that road
> today!
>
> I tend to get really wasted with really bad hangovers if I drink
> whisk(e)y with beer, but if I stick to one or the other I'm generally OK.

I prefer the whiskies from the east coast the ones that are not peaty, like
Glenmorangie and The Famous Grouse for blended. I like drinking beer with
whisky (our half and a half) as you shouldn’t drink spirits to quench your
thirst. But then I don’t get hangovers, except around the belt :)

> > You are right about alcohol disrupting your sleep. One drink can relax you but
> > more than that stimulates you unless you drink enough to fall into a drunken
> > stupor.
>
> I read somewhere that one or two actually act as stimulants but the
> depressant effects take over quickly after that. Apparently it
> suppresses REM sleep.

What I was told was; one relaxes you, two simulates you, more keeps you awake.

> >> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
> > Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not pass the FDA
> > tests.
>
> Ah, I was just being silly. If alcohol were invented today it'd probably
> be a class A. Kids! Don't take drugs! Leave some for the rest of us! :)
>
Phew! That is a relief for a moment I thought that …  :)



Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 16 Nov 2007 12:36:20
Message: <473dd514$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> America is a continent. Maybe you meant that big country on the north?

You know, when I was in Europe for six or seven weeks, people would ask 
me where I was from. I'd say "The United States."  The answer was 
invariably "You mean America?"

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     Remember the good old days, when we
     used to complain about cryptography
     being export-restricted?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 16 Nov 2007 15:22:12
Message: <473dfbf4$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:40:07 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:

> Not that I get drunk (though looking at the date...), but that's a
> pretty fair description from my perspective. Just add talking a lot more
> then when I'm sober, something Andrew might testify as not a good thing.

Depends on whether the "more talk" translates into "saying things I 
shouldn't" - something else I don't understand about some people who say 
they didn't know what they were doing.  How can you not know what you're 
doing?

>> The next morning, hungover, is not a fun feeling.  I started adding a
>> glass of water between beers when I was last in the UK, and that helped
>> a lot.  Ibuprofin helps as well.
> 
> One of those odd things no hangovers <shrugs>

Yeah, some people are fortunate that way.  I don't drink like I used to 
any more, so I also don't have hangovers any more...

Jim


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 17 Nov 2007 07:53:04
Message: <473ee430$1@news.povray.org>
"M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:473c59bc$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 473c55b9$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)
>
> Ask Ford Escort : muscle relaxant :-)

<nitpick>
Ford Prefect.
</nitpick>

But it was the right idea.


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 17 Nov 2007 17:52:23
Message: <473f70a7@news.povray.org>
"Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> a écrit dans le message de news: 
473ee430$1@news.povray.org...
> "M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
> news:473c59bc$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
>> 473c55b9$1@news.povray.org...
>>>
>>> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)
>>
>> Ask Ford Escort : muscle relaxant :-)
>
> <nitpick>
> Ford Prefect.
> </nitpick>
>
> But it was the right idea.
Oops I  mistook with the French version name of the character :-)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Escort_(personnage)

Marc


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 17 Nov 2007 18:12:59
Message: <473f757b$1@news.povray.org>
"M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:473f70a7@news.povray.org...
>
> "Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 473ee430$1@news.povray.org...
>> "M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
>> news:473c59bc$1@news.povray.org...
>>>
>>> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
>>> 473c55b9$1@news.povray.org...
>>>>
>>>> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)
>>>
>>> Ask Ford Escort : muscle relaxant :-)
>>
>> <nitpick>
>> Ford Prefect.
>> </nitpick>
>>
>> But it was the right idea.
> Oops I  mistook with the French version name of the character :-)
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Escort_(personnage)

I leaarn something new every day!  :-)
(retracts nitpick)


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 19 Nov 2007 05:48:34
Message: <op.t11cbdwuc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:22:12 -0000, Jim Henderson  
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:40:07 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Not that I get drunk (though looking at the date...), but that's a
>> pretty fair description from my perspective. Just add talking a lot more
>> then when I'm sober, something Andrew might testify as not a good thing.
>
> Depends on whether the "more talk" translates into "saying things I
> shouldn't"

Fortunately mostly the same old garbage with only the odd 'you shouldn't  
have said that'.

- something else I don't understand about some people who say
> they didn't know what they were doing.  How can you not know what you're
> doing?

Alcohol inhibition between short-term and long-term memories? Didn't they  
do tests on drunken goldfish?

>>> The next morning, hungover, is not a fun feeling.  I started adding a
>>> glass of water between beers when I was last in the UK, and that helped
>>> a lot.  Ibuprofin helps as well.
>>
>> One of those odd things no hangovers <shrugs>
>
> Yeah, some people are fortunate that way.  I don't drink like I used to
> any more, so I also don't have hangovers any more...

I don't tend to mix drinks, which I note others seem to do so may well be  
a factor.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 19 Nov 2007 06:22:30
Message: <op.t11dvwcsc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:36:21 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> America is a continent. Maybe you meant that big country on the north?
>
> You know, when I was in Europe for six or seven weeks, people would ask  
> me where I was from. I'd say "The United States."  The answer was  
> invariably "You mean America?"

As opposed to Mexico.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 19 Nov 2007 11:37:40
Message: <4741bbd4@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:48:39 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:

> And lo on Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:22:12 -0000, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> 
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:40:07 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I get drunk (though looking at the date...), but that's a
>>> pretty fair description from my perspective. Just add talking a lot
>>> more then when I'm sober, something Andrew might testify as not a good
>>> thing.
>>
>> Depends on whether the "more talk" translates into "saying things I
>> shouldn't"
> 
> Fortunately mostly the same old garbage with only the odd 'you shouldn't
> have said that'.

If that's the case for you, that's a good thing.  I also tend to not say 
things that I wouldn't otherwise say....

> - something else I don't understand about some people who say
>> they didn't know what they were doing.  How can you not know what
>> you're doing?
> 
> Alcohol inhibition between short-term and long-term memories? Didn't
> they do tests on drunken goldfish?

I dunno, but then again, goldfish supposedly have short memories 
(something the Mythbusters disproved, but anyways.....)

>>>> The next morning, hungover, is not a fun feeling.  I started adding a
>>>> glass of water between beers when I was last in the UK, and that
>>>> helped a lot.  Ibuprofin helps as well.
>>>
>>> One of those odd things no hangovers <shrugs>
>>
>> Yeah, some people are fortunate that way.  I don't drink like I used to
>> any more, so I also don't have hangovers any more...
> 
> I don't tend to mix drinks, which I note others seem to do so may well
> be a factor.

I think that's a factor as well as moderation....

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 19 Nov 2007 23:16:46
Message: <47425fae$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> As opposed to Mexico.

I don't know what opposed to. I don't look hispanic. I look German or 
so, if you had to guess.  (Not aryan german, old deep woods german.) I 
was guessing like United Arab Emerates or something, maybe.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 04:05:39
Message: <op.t1214gpcc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:16:46 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> As opposed to Mexico.
>
> I don't know what opposed to. I don't look hispanic. I look German or  
> so, if you had to guess.  (Not aryan german, old deep woods german.) I  
> was guessing like United Arab Emerates or something, maybe.

I meant the United States of Mexico :-)

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 04:32:39
Message: <4742a9b7$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:4741bbd4@news.povray.org...
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:48:39 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>> I don't tend to mix drinks, which I note others seem to do so may well
>> be a factor.
>
> I think that's a factor as well as moderation....

I haven't tried that one before.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 05:00:00
Message: <web.4742af06e392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
"Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4741bbd4@news.povray.org...
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:48:39 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
> >> I don't tend to mix drinks, which I note others seem to do so may well
> >> be a factor.
> >
> > I think that's a factor as well as moderation....
>
> I haven't tried that one before.

There is an old saying “Never mix the grape with the grain”.
And as far as moderation goes; Moderation in all things including moderation. So
get wasted occasionally.
That’s what has kept me going these past few millennium :)


Stephen


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From: alphaQuad
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 12:25:00
Message: <web.474317ade392abcbf0ad1f150@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote:
> ... that I'm thinking about
> it too much and killing the buzz, that I need to relax...
>
> Meh.
>


hmmm .... Here's a clue the "vile" stuff you were drinking is called ethanol.

It is one of the polar protic laboratory solvents. It easily causes brain (CNS)
damage. As for the "buzz", it not a buzz worth having. It is my opinion if one
likes the incapacitating effect, they must be sick.

the warning labels here say: drink responsibly.

No death tolls from alcohol,
no mention of the damage it will do to you,
will be found on the label.


drink responsibly means not at all.


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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 13:03:52
Message: <op.t13q4ujncs6ysw@e6600>
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:16:46 +0100, Darrenstiltskin <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
wrote:
> I look German or so, if you had to guess.  (Not aryan german,
> old deep woods german.)


Old deep woods german:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15659/15659-h/images/illus-079.jpg



-- 
FE


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 13:30:38
Message: <474327ce$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:34:19 +1000, Brian Elliott wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4741bbd4@news.povray.org...
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:48:39 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>> I don't tend to mix drinks, which I note others seem to do so may well
>>> be a factor.
>>
>> I think that's a factor as well as moderation....
> 
> I haven't tried that one before.

After the second time I got so drunk I was sick, I decided that was the 
best option for me.

I limit myself to one or two drinks when going out somewhere, but rarely 
drink at home any more.  Occasionally G&T, Margarita, or glass of wine, 
and the very occasional beer.

Probably all told I have a couple of drinks a month unless I'm traveling 
for work - then if I'm eating out, I'll have something with dinner.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 13:32:43
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:22:34 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:

>> You know, when I was in Europe for six or seven weeks, people would ask
>> me where I was from. I'd say "The United States."  The answer was
>> invariably "You mean America?"
> 
> As opposed to Mexico.

Mexico isn't part of the United States (in Spanish, "Los Estados Unidos" 
refers to the United States of America - and ask any Mexican if that 
includes Mexico and you're likely to get laughed out of the country).

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 14:21:41
Message: <474333c5@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:16:46 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> 
> did spake, saying:
> 
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>> As opposed to Mexico.
>>
>> I don't know what opposed to. I don't look hispanic. I look German or 
>> so, if you had to guess.  (Not aryan german, old deep woods german.) I 
>> was guessing like United Arab Emerates or something, maybe.
> 
> I meant the United States of Mexico :-)

I understood that. I just don't know why they'd think I was more mexican 
than any other "united states of ..."

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 20 Nov 2007 14:22:23
Message: <474333ef@news.povray.org>
Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> Old deep woods german:
> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15659/15659-h/images/illus-079.jpg

Yep. Like that.  My grandma used to carry a big stick on the way to 
school to beat off the Black Forest wolves.  No kidding.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 04:04:39
Message: <op.t14wtsu8c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:32:43 -0000, Jim Henderson  
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:

> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:22:34 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>
>>> You know, when I was in Europe for six or seven weeks, people would ask
>>> me where I was from. I'd say "The United States."  The answer was
>>> invariably "You mean America?"
>>
>> As opposed to Mexico.
>
> Mexico isn't part of the United States (in Spanish, "Los Estados Unidos"
> refers to the United States of America - and ask any Mexican if that
> includes Mexico and you're likely to get laughed out of the country).

Sorry I thought Mexico was a republic with 31 states and could therefore  
be refered to as the United States of Mexico.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 04:05:48
Message: <op.t14wvpsec3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:21:42 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:16:46 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>>> As opposed to Mexico.
>>>
>>> I don't know what opposed to. I don't look hispanic. I look German or  
>>> so, if you had to guess.  (Not aryan german, old deep woods german.) I  
>>> was guessing like United Arab Emerates or something, maybe.
>>  I meant the United States of Mexico :-)
>
> I understood that. I just don't know why they'd think I was more mexican  
> than any other "united states of ..."

I meant it humorously, the assumption that America means the USA and not  
the continent in the same context that the United States also means  
America and not Mexico.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 05:25:51
Message: <474407af$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:474327ce$1@news.povray.org...
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:34:19 +1000, Brian Elliott wrote:
>>
>> I haven't tried that one before.
>
> After the second time I got so drunk I was sick, I decided that was the
> best option for me.

That has never happened to me, because...

> I limit myself to one or two drinks when going out somewhere, but rarely
> drink at home any more.  Occasionally G&T, Margarita, or glass of wine,
> and the very occasional beer.
>
> Probably all told I have a couple of drinks a month unless I'm traveling
> for work - then if I'm eating out, I'll have something with dinner.

That's basically all I do, except replace the G&T with V&T.  I drink it 
soley for taste, not effect.  I make Margarita Sours for Woman, but it's not 
very often now.  You can keep Tequila and Cointreau in the freezer and 
because of their high Alc. content, they don't freeze, even at -15 C, though 
there'll be a rime of ice on the outside of the bottle.
  :-)

And of course you knew my other post was a joke and you merely felt like 
sharing.
  :-)


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 05:33:51
Message: <4744098f@news.povray.org>
"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message 
news:op.t14wtsu8c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
> And lo on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:32:43 -0000, Jim Henderson 
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:22:34 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>
>>>> You know, when I was in Europe for six or seven weeks, people would ask
>>>> me where I was from. I'd say "The United States."  The answer was
>>>> invariably "You mean America?"
>>>
>>> As opposed to Mexico.
>>
>> Mexico isn't part of the United States (in Spanish, "Los Estados Unidos"
>> refers to the United States of America - and ask any Mexican if that
>> includes Mexico and you're likely to get laughed out of the country).
>
> Sorry I thought Mexico was a republic with 31 states and could therefore 
> be refered to as the United States of Mexico.

You're thinking of the United States of Canada.
Only gringos live in Mexico herding their funny piñata bulls.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 07:24:07
Message: <47442367@news.povray.org>
Brian Elliott wrote:

> That's basically all I do, except replace the G&T with V&T.  I drink it 
> soley for taste, not effect.  I make Margarita Sours for Woman, but it's 

Vodka has a taste? I thought vodka was what you spiked the punch with at 
a party because it's basically neutral.

Gin on the other hand...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 07:35:00
Message: <web.474425c9e392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Brian Elliott wrote:
>
> > That's basically all I do, except replace the G&T with V&T.  I drink it
> > soley for taste, not effect.  I make Margarita Sours for Woman, but it's
>
> Vodka has a taste? I thought vodka was what you spiked the punch with at
> a party because it's basically neutral.
>
> Gin on the other hand...

Yes vodka has a taste, try it straight up, straight from the freezer.
Also there are varieties of vodka flavoured with herbs. It is subtle, though.

Gin on the other hand is a girlies drink <ducks and runs very fast :)>


Stephen


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 08:41:48
Message: <4744359c$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> Yes vodka has a taste, try it straight up, straight from the freezer.
> Also there are varieties of vodka flavoured with herbs. It is subtle, though.

Of course... the flavored vodkas. They have to infuse it with something 
to give it some taste.

> Gin on the other hand is a girlies drink <ducks and runs very fast :)>

Then why did my wife make a face when she tried a sip of my G&T? :D It 
takes a real man to appreciate the resinous flavor of Gin :D


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 09:05:01
Message: <web.474439d0e392abcbc4e49fa40@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > Yes vodka has a taste, try it straight up, straight from the freezer.
> > Also there are varieties of vodka flavoured with herbs. It is subtle, though.
>
> Of course... the flavored vodkas. They have to infuse it with something
> to give it some taste.
>
> > Gin on the other hand is a girlies drink <ducks and runs very fast :)>
>
> Then why did my wife make a face when she tried a sip of my G&T? :D It

Because she has good taste and doesn’t like drinking perfume :)


> takes a real man to appreciate the resinous flavor of Gin :D

Fee Fie Foo Fum I smell the drink of an Englishman :)

Stephen


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 09:05:02
Message: <47443b0e$1@news.povray.org>
>> Yes vodka has a taste, try it straight up, straight from the freezer.
>> Also there are varieties of vodka flavoured with herbs. It is subtle, 
>> though.
>
> Of course... the flavored vodkas. They have to infuse it with something to 
> give it some taste.

I prefer mine to be flavoured with Red Bull :-)


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 09:11:05
Message: <47443c79$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Brian Elliott wrote:
>>
>>> That's basically all I do, except replace the G&T with V&T.  I drink it
>>> soley for taste, not effect.  I make Margarita Sours for Woman, but it's
>> Vodka has a taste? I thought vodka was what you spiked the punch with at
>> a party because it's basically neutral.
>>
>> Gin on the other hand...
> 
> Yes vodka has a taste, try it straight up, straight from the freezer.
> Also there are varieties of vodka flavoured with herbs. It is subtle, though.

You can get some extraordinary vodkas from scandinavia and eastern 
europe that have distinct smooth flavours. They're often very strong, 
too, but I find this has no effect on taste.

Ethanol is not very tasty. :-/


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 10:03:36
Message: <474448c8@news.povray.org>
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:4744359c$1@news.povray.org...
> Stephen wrote:
>> Yes vodka has a taste, try it straight up, straight from the freezer.
>> Also there are varieties of vodka flavoured with herbs. It is subtle, 
>> though.
>
> Of course... the flavored vodkas. They have to infuse it with something to 
> give it some taste.

Whether considered flavoured or not, I use Smirnoff.   That's it.  Adds some 
sharpish bitterness back to the tonic water, which too often is muffled by 
being sweetened, a stupid manufacturer's practice that masks the whole point 
of quinine's own dry bitter-sweetness.

Food and bev manufacturers of all kinds need a bloody good bust around the 
chops, because it seems almost all of them refuse to sell any food to you 
without first dousing it in sugar (or artificial substitutes) and/or fat.

But they're remarkably honest and virtuous when making pet food.

Uh-oh, "change of subject".  Move on folks, nothing to see here.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 11:00:01
Message: <web.4744559be392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:

> > Yes vodka has a taste, try it straight up, straight from the freezer.
> > Also there are varieties of vodka flavoured with herbs. It is subtle, though.
>
> You can get some extraordinary vodkas from scandinavia and eastern
> europe that have distinct smooth flavours. They're often very strong,
> too, but I find this has no effect on taste.
>
> Ethanol is not very tasty. :-/

True it’s not a strong taste but I find that it does have one. Once a long time
ago when I was working in Croatia, one of my fellow workers brought in some
home made vodka flavoured with cannabis.
But I prefer a bite to my spirits, (Flavoured with thistles :)


Stephen


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 11:19:13
Message: <47445a81@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> But I prefer a bite to my spirits, (Flavoured with thistles :)
Or a sting... flavoured with a dead scorpion?



Why did the Mexican push his wife off a cliff?

...

..

.

Tequila!


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 11:56:04
Message: <47446324$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:25:54 +1000, Brian Elliott wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:474327ce$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:34:19 +1000, Brian Elliott wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't tried that one before.
>>
>> After the second time I got so drunk I was sick, I decided that was the
>> best option for me.
> 
> That has never happened to me, because...

Because you learned from others' mistakes? ;-)

>> I limit myself to one or two drinks when going out somewhere, but
>> rarely drink at home any more.  Occasionally G&T, Margarita, or glass
>> of wine, and the very occasional beer.
>>
>> Probably all told I have a couple of drinks a month unless I'm
>> traveling for work - then if I'm eating out, I'll have something with
>> dinner.
> 
> That's basically all I do, except replace the G&T with V&T.  I drink it
> soley for taste, not effect.  I make Margarita Sours for Woman, but it's
> not very often now.  You can keep Tequila and Cointreau in the freezer
> and because of their high Alc. content, they don't freeze, even at -15
> C, though there'll be a rime of ice on the outside of the bottle.
>   :-)

If only I had room in my freezer. :-)

> And of course you knew my other post was a joke and you merely felt like
> sharing.
>   :-)

But of course. :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 11:56:43
Message: <4744634b$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:38:39 -0600, Mike Raiford wrote:

> It
> takes a real man to appreciate the resinous flavor of Gin :D

Amen to *that*. :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 21 Nov 2007 11:58:31
Message: <474463b7$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:04:30 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:

> And lo on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:32:43 -0000, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> 
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:22:34 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>
>>>> You know, when I was in Europe for six or seven weeks, people would
>>>> ask me where I was from. I'd say "The United States."  The answer was
>>>> invariably "You mean America?"
>>>
>>> As opposed to Mexico.
>>
>> Mexico isn't part of the United States (in Spanish, "Los Estados
>> Unidos" refers to the United States of America - and ask any Mexican if
>> that includes Mexico and you're likely to get laughed out of the
>> country).
> 
> Sorry I thought Mexico was a republic with 31 states and could therefore
> be refered to as the United States of Mexico.

Well, it is, but in Mexico, the residents there don't call it "Los 
estados unidos de Mexico", but rather just "Mexico".  "Los estados 
unidos" is reserved specifically for the USA.  :-)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 22 Nov 2007 05:05:00
Message: <web.474553a4e392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > But I prefer a bite to my spirits, (Flavoured with thistles :)
> Or a sting... flavoured with a dead scorpion?
>
Funnily enough, I was speaking to someone last night who had been offered
scorpions dipped in chocolate. It’s a strange world.

>
> Why did the Mexican push his wife off a cliff?
>
> ...
>
> ..
>
> .
>
> Tequila!

It is also a long way to tip an Airy :)

Stephen


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 22 Nov 2007 10:19:18
Message: <47459df6@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote in message 
news:web.474553a4e392abcb726bd13c0@news.povray.org...
> Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>> > But I prefer a bite to my spirits, (Flavoured with thistles :)
>> Or a sting... flavoured with a dead scorpion?
>>
> Funnily enough, I was speaking to someone last night who had been offered
> scorpions dipped in chocolate. It's a strange world.
>
>>
>> Why did the Mexican push his wife off a cliff?
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ..
>>
>> .
>>
>> Tequila!
>
> It is also a long way to tip an Airy :)

I'd rather have this bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Alcohol.
Date: 22 Nov 2007 10:21:00
Message: <47459e5c$1@news.povray.org>
Brian Elliott wrote:
>>> Why did the Mexican push his wife off a cliff?
>>>
>>> Tequila!
>>
>> It is also a long way to tip an Airy :)
> 
> I'd rather have this bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Some thinkle peep I'm under the alkafluence of inkahol. Trouble is, the 
drunker I sit here the longer I get...


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