So I just got back from being taken to a bar by housemate.  My first 
encounter with "drinking".  The initial drink was a shot of Jaeger, vile 
licorice-plus-rubbing-alcohol tasting thing, which the bartender paid 
for on the condition that I actually down the shot...followed up by 
another half-dozen various mixed drinks concocted by a very attractive 
gal (one of the drinks, with tequila, I couldn't even tolerate more than 
a sip, to entice me she held the orange slice in her mouth, but even 
then it wasn't sufficient to get me to do the whole thing).  Ended up 
only being charged $7 and change; apparently she footed the bill for 
most of it because it was my first time.

Personal reactions: the initial sensation when the alcohol first hit my 
body, as it's rather...unique, then immediately thereafter when a sort 
of warm shuddering hit my muscles, particularly arms, stomach and back, 
then quite a bit later, which is where I stopped drinking, when I 
started feeling a kind of dull lethargy that was my body beginning to 
process the stuff.  So as far as I can tell, I left the bar sober. 
Housemate was complaining that I'm too uptight, that I'm thinking about 
it too much and killing the buzz, that I need to relax...

Meh.

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I asked several people what being drunk feels like. Without exception, 
they all replied with "er... I can't really remember". Sounds like a 
great way to expend vast sums of money to me! :-.

I've never been drunk. I think. I don't know - I did once sit down and 
drink several glasses of Archers. Eventually I reached the point where 
it *felt* like I couldn't walk - although in fact I could, without much 
difficulty. For some reason, this was extremely humourus. I'm not sure why.

When I reported this, somebody said to me "Invisi mate... Drinking is 
like sex. It's fun by yourself, but it's *so* much better with other 
people." He didn't specify how many "other people" he had in mind...

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> I asked several people what being drunk feels like.
...
> Eventually I reached the point where it *felt* like I couldn't walk - 
> although in fact I could, without much difficulty. For some reason, this 
> was extremely humourus.

Hehe good explanation.  BTW, you *thought* you could walk ok without much 
difficultly, that doesn't mean you actually could :-)

> When I reported this, somebody said to me "Invisi mate... Drinking is like 
> sex. It's fun by yourself, but it's *so* much better with other people." 
> He didn't specify how many "other people" he had in mind...

Yup, getting drunk by yourself is a bit pointless, the atmosphere and the 
company contributes just as much to you having fun as the alcohol actually 
does.

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scott wrote:
>> I asked several people what being drunk feels like.
> ...
>> Eventually I reached the point where it *felt* like I couldn't walk - 
>> although in fact I could, without much difficulty. For some reason, 
>> this was extremely humourus.
> 
> Hehe good explanation.  BTW, you *thought* you could walk ok without 
> much difficultly, that doesn't mean you actually could :-)

No, I *felt* like I couldn't walk, so I got up and tried it, and managed 
to walk around the house without any actual difficulty other than 
feeling kinda weird. I didn't fall over or walk into anything, it just 
felt like I was going to...

>> When I reported this, somebody said to me "Invisi mate... Drinking is 
>> like sex. It's fun by yourself, but it's *so* much better with other 
>> people." He didn't specify how many "other people" he had in mind...
> 
> Yup, getting drunk by yourself is a bit pointless, the atmosphere and 
> the company contributes just as much to you having fun as the alcohol 
> actually does.

The way I see it, drinking is more of a spectator sport. It's fun to 
watch everyone *else* get drunk while you stay sober. (It also gives you 
opportunities for blackmail...)

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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote in message 
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> So I just got back from being taken to a bar by housemate.  My first 
> encounter with "drinking".

I have a friend at work with whom I've taken many business trips and 
non-business trips.  He's a drinker.  I'm not.  I've found that alcohol is 
not my thing.  That's probably a good thing.  But I'll still go out every 
now and then and have a couple of drinks.  Two or three drinks is enough to 
get me to relax and be friendly.  Any more than that, and I start getting 
sleepy.  8 or 10 and I'm probably going to puke at some point.

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"Invisible" wrote:
> For some reason, this was extremely humourus. I'm not sure why.

Um, that would be because you were drunk. It lowers the threshold of fun 
(sometimes).

Rune

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"Invisible" wrote:
> The way I see it, drinking is more of a spectator sport. It's fun to watch 
> everyone *else* get drunk while you stay sober.

Hmm, I often find the opposite to be true. When you're completely sober 
among rather drunk people, they keep finding things funny that are not, and 
they're rarely sensitive to the fact that you're not finding it as fun as 
they are. It can be rather lonely. It depends a lot on the specific 
situation though, but generally, it feels better to be drunk together with 
them, and thus be able to join in on the fun to a higher degree.

> (It also gives you opportunities for blackmail...)

You don't need to stay sober for that, as long as you don't get so drunk 
that
a) you do blackmailable things yourself,
and b) you get a black-out so you can't remember what others did.

Rune

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"Jeremy M. Praay" wrote:
> I've found that alcohol is not my thing.

> Two or three drinks is enough to get me to relax and be friendly.

If you find that two to three drinks have a desirable effect on you, why do 
you say that alcohol is not your thing? It sounds more like heavy drinking 
is not your thing. :)

Rune

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"Rune" <aut### [at] runevisioncom> wrote:
> "Jeremy M. Praay" wrote:
> > I've found that alcohol is not my thing.
>
> > Two or three drinks is enough to get me to relax and be friendly.
>
> If you find that two to three drinks have a desirable effect on you, why do
> you say that alcohol is not your thing? It sounds more like heavy drinking
> is not your thing. :)
>
> Rune

It is not just drinking alcohol, there is the culture that goes with it. It
doesn’t take long to build up your tolerance and then you are able to drink a
lot with little short term effect. The long term effect can be quite disastrous
as we all know. The British drinking culture is not the best in the world. 10
pints and a good puke :)

Stephen

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Stephen wrote:

> It is not just drinking alcohol, there is the culture that goes with it. It
> doesn’t take long to build up your tolerance and then you are able to drink a
> lot with little short term effect. The long term effect can be quite disastrous
> as we all know. The British drinking culture is not the best in the world. 10
> pints and a good puke :)

As exemplified by that girl I saw on TV. I don't know what the hell my 
mother was watching - some documentary or other. I just walked past the 
TV. This girl comes out of the toilets and goes "woohoo! I've just been 
sick! Now I can drink some more!"

At this point, I'm standing there just thinking "dude, WTF?"

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Rune wrote:
> "Invisible" wrote:
>> For some reason, this was extremely humourus. I'm not sure why.
> 
> Um, that would be because you were drunk.

So what's what being drunk is? Feeling slightly dizzy?

Hmm, I think I'll save myself some cash... ;-)

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Invisible wrote:
> For some reason, this was extremely humourus. I'm not sure why.

*That* is what being drunk is like.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     Remember the good old days, when we
     used to complain about cryptography
     being export-restricted?

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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote in message
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> "Rune" <aut### [at] runevisioncom> wrote:
> > "Jeremy M. Praay" wrote:
> > > I've found that alcohol is not my thing.
> >
> > > Two or three drinks is enough to get me to relax and be friendly.
> >
> > If you find that two to three drinks have a desirable effect on you, why
do
> > you say that alcohol is not your thing? It sounds more like heavy
drinking
> > is not your thing. :)
> >
> > Rune
>
> It is not just drinking alcohol, there is the culture that goes with it.

> Stephen
>

Well said. I hate bars. Some pubs are ok... the difference being the less
horrid music, and the option for a table and food. I'd rather have people
over and drink a few glasses with some good food. I hate going out with the
sole purpose of drinking.

I can't drink more than 4 beers before I feel done. Physically, mentally,
done. A whole evening of it will get me in the worst mood.

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:37:21 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> The initial drink was a shot of Jaeger,

I think you hit the description on the head.  I'd sooner drink NyQuil.

Nasty stuff.

Jim

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:22:33 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> I asked several people what being drunk feels like. Without exception,
> they all replied with "er... I can't really remember". Sounds like a
> great way to expend vast sums of money to me! :-.

I really think the "I can't remember" is an excuse - I have been quite 
drunk a few times, but I always remembered (eventually in *one* case) 
what I did.

What's it like?  Well, your balance may go out, and muscles don't work 
quite the way they're supposed to.  Everything feels a bit exaggerated to 
me - when moving, for example, it feels to me like I'm moving a bit 
faster but with a lot less accuracy of movement.  If I try to, I can 
force myself to slow down and concentrate on things, but that takes a 
fair amount of effort.

The next morning, hungover, is not a fun feeling.  I started adding a 
glass of water between beers when I was last in the UK, and that helped a 
lot.  Ibuprofin helps as well.

Jim

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"Rune" <aut### [at] runevisioncom> wrote in message 
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> "Jeremy M. Praay" wrote:
>> I've found that alcohol is not my thing.
>
>> Two or three drinks is enough to get me to relax and be friendly.
>
> If you find that two to three drinks have a desirable effect on you, why 
> do you say that alcohol is not your thing? It sounds more like heavy 
> drinking is not your thing. :)
>

Perhaps most of the time, I prefer to be tense and unfriendly.  LOL!

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Invisible wrote:
> I asked several people what being drunk feels like. Without exception, 
> they all replied with "er... I can't really remember". Sounds like a 
> great way to expend vast sums of money to me! :-.

I've never had the experience of not remembering what I did while drunk, 
and most people I know also seem to remember things pretty well.

> When I reported this, somebody said to me "Invisi mate... Drinking is 
> like sex. It's fun by yourself, but it's *so* much better with other 
> people." He didn't specify how many "other people" he had in mind...

I think that one of the reasons that drinking is particularly appealing 
with other people is that it lowers social inhibitions.  This generally 
makes everyone much more willing to strike up conversations and try to 
have a good time without all the worries and formalities that generally 
get in the way of that sort of thing.

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Tim Cook wrote:
> So I just got back from being taken to a bar by housemate.  My first 
> encounter with "drinking".  The initial drink was a shot of Jaeger, vile 
> licorice-plus-rubbing-alcohol tasting thing, which the bartender paid 
> for on the condition that I actually down the shot...followed up by 
> another half-dozen various mixed drinks concocted by a very attractive 
> gal (one of the drinks, with tequila, I couldn't even tolerate more than 
> a sip, to entice me she held the orange slice in her mouth, but even 
> then it wasn't sufficient to get me to do the whole thing).  Ended up 
> only being charged $7 and change; apparently she footed the bill for 
> most of it because it was my first time.
> 
> Personal reactions: the initial sensation when the alcohol first hit my 
> body, as it's rather...unique, then immediately thereafter when a sort 
> of warm shuddering hit my muscles, particularly arms, stomach and back, 
> then quite a bit later, which is where I stopped drinking, when I 
> started feeling a kind of dull lethargy that was my body beginning to 
> process the stuff.  So as far as I can tell, I left the bar sober. 
> Housemate was complaining that I'm too uptight, that I'm thinking about 
> it too much and killing the buzz, that I need to relax...
> 
> Meh.

I quit drinking 18 years ago, but even then I never liked anything 
stronger than wine.  Distilled liquor always reminded me of cough syrup, 
and I just didn't like it that strong.

The whole deal with cocktails is an American thing, and is the product 
of the Prohibition era, when bootleg booze tasted so horrible that they 
cut it with fruit juice to make it tolerable.

Regards,
John

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> As exemplified by that girl I saw on TV. I don't know what the hell my
> mother was watching - some documentary or other. I just walked past the
> TV. This girl comes out of the toilets and goes "woohoo! I've just been
> sick! Now I can drink some more!"
>
> At this point, I'm standing there just thinking "dude, WTF?"

Reminds me of some of my res mates, back at university

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My grandfather died of sclerosis of the liver.
He tried to quit, got DTs and started shooting
at invisible rats he thought were climbing the curtains...
he was in agony his last few weeks.

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Invisible wrote:
> I asked several people what being drunk feels like. Without exception,
> they all replied with "er... I can't really remember". Sounds like a
> great way to expend vast sums of money to me! :-.
> 

Where is the fun in not remembering? No fun stories to tell!

Though, I do admit to not remembering a hangover after one night of
heavy drinking. That might have more to do with falling asleep on a
friends futon and then having 1 or more of their cats falling asleep on
me. Being allergic to cats, all I remember is waking up and sneezing for
a few hours. How the fuzzy little beasts got the door open, we never did
figure out.

> I've never been drunk. I think. I don't know - I did once sit down and
> drink several glasses of Archers. Eventually I reached the point where
> it *felt* like I couldn't walk - although in fact I could, without much
> difficulty. For some reason, this was extremely humourus. I'm not sure why.
> 
> When I reported this, somebody said to me "Invisi mate... Drinking is
> like sex. It's fun by yourself, but it's *so* much better with other
> people." He didn't specify how many "other people" he had in mind...

For me, alcohol removes the socially inept part of my brain that tends
to over think everything. I can sit around with strangers in public, and
no longer be worried that the people next to me are thinking I am
strange. They probably are, by that point, but it just no longer bothers
me. Physically, I get a nice warm feeling after a few drinks, and feel a
bit dizzy and slow after a few more.

As for drinking alone, the most I'll take is a spoon of rum in a cup of
tea, or just a spoon of whiskey, when I have a cold.

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Sabrina Kilian escribió:
> For me, alcohol removes the socially inept part of my brain that tends
> to over think everything. I can sit around with strangers in public, and
> no longer be worried that the people next to me are thinking I am
> strange. They probably are, by that point, but it just no longer bothers
> me.
> 

Maybe I should start drinking.

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>> The way I see it, drinking is more of a spectator sport. It's fun to 
>> watch everyone *else* get drunk while you stay sober.
>
> Hmm, I often find the opposite to be true.

I agree.

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> Well said. I hate bars. Some pubs are ok... the difference being the less
> horrid music, and the option for a table and food. I'd rather have people
> over and drink a few glasses with some good food. I hate going out with 
> the
> sole purpose of drinking.

Have to agree with you there.  We don't really get "pubs" round here, but 
some bars are ok that do pretty decent food.  More often though I'll just 
stay at home now and drink there with my gf and sometimes other friends too. 
Added bonus is that the identical drinks are about 5x cheaper in the 
supermarket compared to at the bar.

> I can't drink more than 4 beers before I feel done. Physically, mentally,
> done. A whole evening of it will get me in the worst mood.

Hehe, during Oktoberfest I'd had 2 litres of (strong) beer by about 1pm, 
then I went home :-)  I think the most beer I have drunk recently was 4.5 
litres (at Oktoberfest '06), then I really did have to go home and had the 
room spinning etc etc.  Not very nice...  But I think other people had drunk 
more as there were plenty just lying about on the grass and generally 
looking far worse than I felt.

I find that often it's only once you get home and finally relax that you 
realise how drunk you are.  While you're out with people and it's noisy and 
you're drinking and chatting you really don't notice, well not until it's 
too late...

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Sabrina Kilian wrote:

> Though, I do admit to not remembering a hangover after one night of
> heavy drinking. That might have more to do with falling asleep on a
> friends futon and then having 1 or more of their cats falling asleep on
> me. Being allergic to cats, all I remember is waking up and sneezing for
> a few hours. How the fuzzy little beasts got the door open, we never did
> figure out.

A cat... fell asleep... on YOU?!

Bahahahaha! That's *advanced*!

(Hmm, maybe one of your drunk "friends" let the cat in on purpose? 
Weirder things have happened...)


I remember my sister while she was at uni telling me there's no point 
not going out drinking, because "all that will happen is that at 2 in 
the morning, I'll have Lottie banging on the door saying 'Jenny... 
Jenny! I'm pissed! :-D Hehehe'."

(This is the same Lottie who famously said to my sister "aww, Jenny... 
Now your whole family will thing I'm *weird*". Gee, what would 
*possibly* give us that idea... Much.)

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John VanSickle wrote:

> I quit drinking 18 years ago, but even then I never liked anything 
> stronger than wine.  Distilled liquor always reminded me of cough syrup, 
> and I just didn't like it that strong.

I once tried some home-made Polish vodka that some Polish guy smuggled 
into school in a jam jar.

It smelled like paint thinner. But it tasted distinctly of strawberry. 
And a few seconds later, I felt inexplicably warm. I mean, like, 
*stupidly* warm. As in, I was sweating and I had to start taking clothes 
off... Random!

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And lo on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:01:09 -0000, Jim Henderson  
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:22:33 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>
>> I asked several people what being drunk feels like. Without exception,
>> they all replied with "er... I can't really remember". Sounds like a
>> great way to expend vast sums of money to me! :-.
>
> I really think the "I can't remember" is an excuse - I have been quite
> drunk a few times, but I always remembered (eventually in *one* case)
> what I did.
>
> What's it like?  Well, your balance may go out, and muscles don't work
> quite the way they're supposed to.  Everything feels a bit exaggerated to
> me - when moving, for example, it feels to me like I'm moving a bit
> faster but with a lot less accuracy of movement.  If I try to, I can
> force myself to slow down and concentrate on things, but that takes a
> fair amount of effort.

Not that I get drunk (though looking at the date...), but that's a pretty  
fair description from my perspective. Just add talking a lot more then  
when I'm sober, something Andrew might testify as not a good thing.

> The next morning, hungover, is not a fun feeling.  I started adding a
> glass of water between beers when I was last in the UK, and that helped a
> lot.  Ibuprofin helps as well.

One of those odd things no hangovers <shrugs>

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
473ad4a6$1@news.povray.org...
> And a few seconds later, I felt inexplicably warm. I mean, like, 
> *stupidly* warm. As in, I was sweating and I had to start taking clothes 
> off... Random!

Alcohol is a well known vaso-dilatator.


Marc

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M_a_r_c wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 473ad4a6$1@news.povray.org...
>> And a few seconds later, I felt inexplicably warm. I mean, like, 
>> *stupidly* warm. As in, I was sweating and I had to start taking clothes 
>> off... Random!
> 
> Alcohol is a well known vaso-dilatator.

Why would that make you warm?

(If anything, shouldn't that make you *cold* since you loose more heat?)

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> M_a_r_c wrote:
> > "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > 473ad4a6$1@news.povray.org...
> >> And a few seconds later, I felt inexplicably warm. I mean, like,
> >> *stupidly* warm. As in, I was sweating and I had to start taking
clothes
> >> off... Random!
> >
> > Alcohol is a well known vaso-dilatator.
>
> Why would that make you warm?

It makes you feel warm.

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Nicolas Alvarez nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/13 19:55:
> Sabrina Kilian escribió:
>> For me, alcohol removes the socially inept part of my brain that tends
>> to over think everything. I can sit around with strangers in public, and
>> no longer be worried that the people next to me are thinking I am
>> strange. They probably are, by that point, but it just no longer bothers
>> me.
>>
> 
> Maybe I should start drinking.
Maybe, but you should learn where your limit IS. Go near it, on ocasion, but try 
not to go pass it.

Geting drunk is NOT a pleasent experience.

-- 
Alain
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
473aefe6$1@news.povray.org...
> M_a_r_c wrote:
>> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
>> 473ad4a6$1@news.povray.org...
>>> And a few seconds later, I felt inexplicably warm. I mean, like, 
>>> *stupidly* warm. As in, I was sweating and I had to start taking clothes 
>>> off... Random!
>>
>> Alcohol is a well known vaso-dilatator.
>
> Why would that make you warm?
>
> (If anything, shouldn't that make you *cold* since you loose more heat?)
Because the heat sensors are in your skin and vaso-dilatation -as you say- 
actually let heat get out and warms your skin while your internal body gets 
colder.

Marc

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Ross wrote:
 > I hate going out with the sole purpose of drinking.

Now, if you'd said 'the sole purpose of getting drunk' I'd agree, but I 
usually go to pubs with two main aims; a) socialising with friends, and 
b) (sometimes primarily) drinking fine beers whose taste I enjoy and 
savour. As a side effect, we naturally become somewhat slarmy and end 
up, obviously completely coincidentally, having a hilariously good time. 
;-)

I particularly like the mid-colour British real ales (as distinguished 
from the somewhat ambiguous term 'bitter' by their method of delivery - 
the good ales are usually hand-pulled from non-pressurised casks), 
grades B-D on the scale A-E, A being lager-coloured and E being 
Guinness-coloured.

I'm also rather fond of German and Belgian beers (especially the ones 
from those Trappist monasteries - consume with caution!), which for 
sheer variety of flavour and strength cannot be beaten anywhere in the 
world, although some New Zealand beers get quite close.

> I can't drink more than 4 beers before I feel done. Physically, mentally,
> done. A whole evening of it will get me in the worst mood.

Everyone's different. Scott's comments about building up a resistance 
are completely on the nose - I can quite easily consume four or five 
pints of ale (no more than 5% alcohol by volume) during a night out, go 
home no more than pleasantly inebriated, and get up the next morning 
with no problem other than slight tiredness (the booze stops you 
sleeping properly). But I've been a serious ale fan for over a decade...


Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!

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Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Ross wrote:

> I'm also rather fond of German and Belgian beers (especially the ones
> from those Trappist monasteries - consume with caution!), which for
> sheer variety of flavour and strength cannot be beaten anywhere in the
> world, although some New Zealand beers get quite close.

Have you tried Hoegaarden? I must say that I am fond of it. Other that that I
prefer the chemical stuff, I lost the taste for real beer in London and I can’t
get a pint of heavy.

> > I can't drink more than 4 beers before I feel done. Physically, mentally,
> > done. A whole evening of it will get me in the worst mood.
>
> Everyone's different. Scott's comments about building up a resistance
> are completely on the nose - I can quite easily consume four or five
> pints of ale (no more than 5% alcohol by volume) during a night out, go
> home no more than pleasantly inebriated, and get up the next morning
> with no problem other than slight tiredness (the booze stops you
> sleeping properly). But I've been a serious ale fan for over a decade...

You can certainly build up a tolerance :) I’ve lost mine for beer, the volume us
too much for my stomach. Three pints and I spin, pitch and yaw. But whisky, I
can drink that until I fall down and still feel OK.
You are right about alcohol disrupting your sleep. One drink can relax you but
more than that stimulates you unless you drink enough to fall into a drunken
stupor.


>
> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!

Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not pass the FDA
tests.

Stephen

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Stephen wrote:

>> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
> 
> Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not pass the FDA
> tests.

More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
473c55b9$1@news.povray.org...
>
> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)

Ask Ford Escort : muscle relaxant :-)

Marc

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Stephen wrote:

>> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
> 
> Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not pass the FDA
> tests.

Random: It has been conjectured that Asprin would be prescription-only 
if it was discovered today.

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Stephen wrote:
> Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Ross wrote:
> 
>> I'm also rather fond of German and Belgian beers (especially the ones
>> from those Trappist monasteries - consume with caution!), which for
>> sheer variety of flavour and strength cannot be beaten anywhere in the
>> world, although some New Zealand beers get quite close.
> 
> Have you tried Hoegaarden? I must say that I am fond of it.

Hmm, I can take or leave Hoegaarden; I find the taste a little strange. 
For widely available draught beer I prefer Leffe, especially the darker 
(brune) variety. That's the beauty of these beers though; the wide range 
caters to all tastes! Some of the fruit beers (e.g. Fruli) are starting 
to become available over here too now, although they're definitely not 
for all palates.

> prefer the chemical stuff, I lost the taste for real beer in London and I can’t
> get a pint of heavy.

Ahh that's a shame. It's worth trying ales from all over the UK though, 
the flavours are as varied as the continental ones. Most real ale 
doesn't tend to travel very far because the breweries are small.

> You can certainly build up a tolerance :) I’ve lost mine for beer, the volume us
> too much for my stomach. Three pints and I spin, pitch and yaw. But whisky, I
> can drink that until I fall down and still feel OK.

Ah, now whisky's another tipple I have time for, particularly the single 
malts. Scotch seems to have the widest range (Talisker is a personal 
favourite), but there are a couple of good Irish ones too (whiskey in 
that case - note the e, pedants). I'm not keen on bourbon; some might 
say it barely qualifies as whiskey but I shan't be going down that road 
today!

I tend to get really wasted with really bad hangovers if I drink 
whisk(e)y with beer, but if I stick to one or the other I'm generally OK.

> You are right about alcohol disrupting your sleep. One drink can relax you but
> more than that stimulates you unless you drink enough to fall into a drunken
> stupor.

I read somewhere that one or two actually act as stimulants but the 
depressant effects take over quickly after that. Apparently it 
suppresses REM sleep.

>> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
> Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not pass the FDA
> tests.

Ah, I was just being silly. If alcohol were invented today it'd probably 
be a class A. Kids! Don't take drugs! Leave some for the rest of us! :)

Bill

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> >> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
> >
> > Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not pass the FDA
> > tests.
>
> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)

Sobriety!

Joking aside, my grandmother was prescribed a glass of Guinness a day after
being in hospital. Also alcohol is used in tinctures to dissolve other drugs.
BTW Queen Victoria was prescribed tincture of cannabis, so there, we were
amused :)


Stephen

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Invisible wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> 
>>> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
>>
>> Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not
>> pass the FDA
>> tests.
> 
> Random: It has been conjectured that Asprin would be prescription-only
> if it was discovered today.

If Asprin were not discovered till today, codeine would be over the
counter. Or we would have THC pain pills, or both.

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Sabrina Kilian nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/15 11:17:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>> Enjoy in moderation. Kids! Don't take drugs!
>>> Don’t take drugs? What is alcohol if not a drug? I bet it would not
>>> pass the FDA
>>> tests.
>> Random: It has been conjectured that Asprin would be prescription-only
>> if it was discovered today.
> 
> If Asprin were not discovered till today, codeine would be over the
> counter. Or we would have THC pain pills, or both.
You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the shelves.
You still have next to no chance of finding THC anywhere legaly.

-- 
Alain
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"Sure, everyone's in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but when you put it into 
the body of a great white shark, suddenly you're a madman." 
             --Futurama

Did you know that Al Capone's business card said he was a used furniture dealer.

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"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> Ross wrote:
>  > I hate going out with the sole purpose of drinking.
>
> Now, if you'd said 'the sole purpose of getting drunk' I'd agree, but I
> usually go to pubs with two main aims; a) socialising with friends, and
> b) (sometimes primarily) drinking fine beers whose taste I enjoy and
> savour. As a side effect, we naturally become somewhat slarmy and end
> up, obviously completely coincidentally, having a hilariously good time.
> ;-)
>
> I particularly like the mid-colour British real ales (as distinguished
> from the somewhat ambiguous term 'bitter' by their method of delivery -
> the good ales are usually hand-pulled from non-pressurised casks),
> grades B-D on the scale A-E, A being lager-coloured and E being
> Guinness-coloured.

Don't get me wrong, I love the taste of good beer. I've brewed my own in the
past. I'd rather do it in the comfort of a friends patio or home.

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Bill Pragnell wrote:

> 
> I particularly like the mid-colour British real ales (as distinguished 
> from the somewhat ambiguous term 'bitter' by their method of delivery - 
> the good ales are usually hand-pulled from non-pressurised casks), 
> grades B-D on the scale A-E, A being lager-coloured and E being 
> Guinness-coloured.
> 
> I'm also rather fond of German and Belgian beers (especially the ones 
> from those Trappist monasteries - consume with caution!), which for 
> sheer variety of flavour and strength cannot be beaten anywhere in the 
> world, although some New Zealand beers get quite close.
> 
I drink 2-3 beers a week, corresponding to the 2-3 days I teach each 
week. I find that after 7-8 hours on my feet in a classroom, that my 
tired legs and complaining stomach just can't seem to make it past a 
little establishment close to my apartment called 'Ryan's Pub.'  There 
is always an available table, I am served a cheeseburger done exactly 
how I like it, from a waiting staff of unflaggingly pretty and friendly 
young females.  I tip them obscenely, they attend to me in kind. There 
are a number of plasma screens with different sporting events, and it 
seems an all-around happy way to relax and be fed.

I enjoy the beer as food, rather than inebriant.  But I am unable to 
describe the type of beer I like reliably.  The descriptions of the 
different brands on the menu have little association for me. I guess I 
seek some sort of tradeoff between what I think of as a 'clean' taste, 
and the amount of flavor. I want clean, not watery.  Also I like a 
flavour a bit like roasted oats? Not sure what I mean by that myself. 
Anyway my current favourites are Stella Artois and Sapporo.

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Invisible wrote:
> More specifically, what indications would you prescribe it for? ;-)

I only drink for medicinal reasons. And I've been feeling rather poorly 
these past few years.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     Remember the good old days, when we
     used to complain about cryptography
     being export-restricted?

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Alain wrote:
> You still have next to no chance of finding THC anywhere legaly.

Well, by prescription, it's not hard to find. It treats Gloucoma

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     Remember the good old days, when we
     used to complain about cryptography
     being export-restricted?

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Alain wrote:

> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the 
> shelves.

I was going to say - isn't codeine a common ingredient in cough syrup?

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Alain wrote:
> 
>> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the
>> shelves.
> 
> I was going to say - isn't codeine a common ingredient in cough syrup?

Depends on the country. Even codeine cough syrup is restricted drug in
America. Putting a tiny bit with tylenol/paracetamol suddenly makes is
illegal to possess without a prescription.

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Orchid XP v7 nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/15 15:44:
> Alain wrote:
> 
>> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the 
>> shelves.
> 
> I was going to say - isn't codeine a common ingredient in cough syrup?
Cough syrup, some analgesic pills, some others...
I can have many at my local pharmacy.

-- 
Alain
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   I was making love to this girl and she started crying. I said,  "Are you 
going to hate yourself in the morning?" She said, "No, I hate Myself now."
	Rodney Dangerfield

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Sabrina Kilian escribió:
> Depends on the country. Even codeine cough syrup is restricted drug in
> America.

America is a continent. Maybe you meant that big country on the north?

</semi-rant>

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Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

> You can have codeine containing drugs without any prescription, on the shelves.
> You still have next to no chance of finding THC anywhere legaly.
>
>

Duh! I get my codeine from the doctor and my THC from the coffee shop. What is
wrong with life? :)

Stephen

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