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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 13 Sep 2007 17:22:28
Message: <46e9aa14@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v3 wrote:

> She also gave me some pictures of herself. One is an ugly fat girl, and 
> the other is a tall beautiful women. I'm confused...

Muhuhuhuhu! I'll check the EXIF data on the files! >:-D

Oh. Wait. There isn't any...

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 13 Sep 2007 17:56:45
Message: <46e9b21d@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v3 wrote:
> Orchid XP v3 wrote:
>
>> She also gave me some pictures of herself. One is an ugly fat girl,
>> and the other is a tall beautiful women. I'm confused...
>
> Muhuhuhuhu! I'll check the EXIF data on the files! >:-D
>
> Oh. Wait. There isn't any...

Have you considered simply asking her about the images? If she's honest, she 
can probably come with a better explanation than what you can induce 
yourself. If she can't or won't explain, you might consider not wasting any 
more time thinking about her.

(BTW, don't refer to any of the depicted women as "ugly fat girl". Simply 
state your confusing over the fact that the images don't seem to depict the 
same person.)

Rune
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 14 Sep 2007 01:55:29
Message: <46ea2251$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:29:24 +0100, Bill Pragnell wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> The interesting thing is that some London cab drivers underwent some
>> sort of intelligence testing, and it was discovered that the
>> requirements there to actually *know* how to get places (the test there
>> includes a mapping test - shortest route between points A and B -
>> without a map IIRC - that sort of thing) really help with other mental
>> capabilities.  I
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Knowledge#The_Knowledge
> 
> And, probably not a conclusive piece of trivia given the diversity of
> contestants, but nevertheless relevant:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Housego
> 
> :)

Cool stuff there - yeah, that's the test I was thinking of; average of 12 
attempts per candidate?  That's just insane, but also interesting.  Might 
come in handy to know that later. :-)

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 14 Sep 2007 16:30:47
Message: <46eaef77$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

>       Well done! Heh, is she nice? How old(ish)?

She's lovely. She makes me smile. She's 25. I'd love to know what her 
voice sounds like...

I'm begining increasingly worried though that she doesn't really have 
*time* to have a social life, much less a boyfriend. I mean, she works 
for a racing constructor. She travels round the country to various race 
tracks. She works round the clock to keep everything going with that - 
which she apparently loves to bits. She's also about to finish her PhD, 
which if it's anything like my degree, means she's really busy with that 
too...

I'm just wondering if she's ever going to have any time for me.

*sigh*

And yes, tonight I'm in one of *those* moods...

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From: St 
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 14 Sep 2007 17:39:48
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"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> St. wrote:
>
>>       Well done! Heh, is she nice? How old(ish)?
>
> She's lovely. She makes me smile. She's 25. I'd love to know what her 
> voice sounds like...

      You've got that 'phone number, right?


>
> I'm begining increasingly worried though that she doesn't really have 
> *time* to have a social life, much less a boyfriend. I mean, she works for 
> a racing constructor.

    F1? :o) If so, I know one of the body designers in Grove,Wantage.


She travels round the country to various race
> tracks. She works round the clock to keep everything going with that - 
> which she apparently loves to bits. She's also about to finish her PhD, 
> which if it's anything like my degree, means she's really busy with that 
> too...

    Sounds great for you. Damn, that would be great for me too!!  ;)


>
> I'm just wondering if she's ever going to have any time for me.

    If it's F1, then they more or less finish up for the season in 
September. Plenty of time after that. :)

>
> *sigh*
>
> And yes, tonight I'm in one of *those* moods...

   Chin up kiddo, it's sounding good so far.  ;)

     ~Steve~



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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 15 Sep 2007 03:24:14
Message: <46eb889e$1@news.povray.org>
>>>       Well done! Heh, is she nice? How old(ish)?
>> She's lovely. She makes me smile. She's 25. I'd love to know what her 
>> voice sounds like...
> 
>       You've got that 'phone number, right?

Yeah, but I don't really want to phone her while she's at work. (Which 
is basically all of the time, except when she's sleeping.)

>> I'm begining increasingly worried though that she doesn't really have 
>> *time* to have a social life, much less a boyfriend. I mean, she works for 
>> a racing constructor.
> 
>     F1? :o) If so, I know one of the body designers in Grove,Wantage.

...just the irony of a word like "wantage" turning up in this 
conversation. heh!

>> She travels round the country to various race
>> tracks. She works round the clock to keep everything going with that - 
>> which she apparently loves to bits. She's also about to finish her PhD, 
>> which if it's anything like my degree, means she's really busy with that 
>> too...
> 
>     Sounds great for you. Damn, that would be great for me too!!  ;)

Sounds like she's all work and no time for play. :-(

>> I'm just wondering if she's ever going to have any time for me.
> 
>     If it's F1, then they more or less finish up for the season in 
> September. Plenty of time after that. :)

You've got to be kidding... There's still a whole heap of testing to get 
ready for *next* season! (She works in R&D after all...)

>> *sigh*
>>
>> And yes, tonight I'm in one of *those* moods...
> 
>    Chin up kiddo, it's sounding good so far.  ;)

*sigh* Yeah...

Lovely girl, I just hope I actually get to meet her some day.

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From: St 
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 15 Sep 2007 04:30:00
Message: <46eb9808$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46eb889e$1@news.povray.org...
>>>>       Well done! Heh, is she nice? How old(ish)?
>>> She's lovely. She makes me smile. She's 25. I'd love to know what her 
>>> voice sounds like...
>>
>>       You've got that 'phone number, right?
>
> Yeah, but I don't really want to phone her while she's at work. (Which is 
> basically all of the time, except when she's sleeping.)

      Why not? You could safely assume that she takes a dinner break like 
everyone else, ring her then. Or, how about on a Sunday?



>
>>> I'm begining increasingly worried though that she doesn't really have 
>>> *time* to have a social life, much less a boyfriend. I mean, she works 
>>> for a racing constructor.
>>
>>     F1? :o) If so, I know one of the body designers in Grove,Wantage.
>
> ...just the irony of a word like "wantage" turning up in this 
> conversation. heh!

      Heh, I know the place well, I use to go to school there.


>
>>> She travels round the country to various race
>>> tracks. She works round the clock to keep everything going with that - 
>>> which she apparently loves to bits. She's also about to finish her PhD, 
>>> which if it's anything like my degree, means she's really busy with that 
>>> too...
>>
>>     Sounds great for you. Damn, that would be great for me too!!  ;)
>
> Sounds like she's all work and no time for play. :-(
>
>>> I'm just wondering if she's ever going to have any time for me.
>>
>>     If it's F1, then they more or less finish up for the season in 
>> September. Plenty of time after that. :)
>
> You've got to be kidding... There's still a whole heap of testing to get 
> ready for *next* season! (She works in R&D after all...)

      Well, if she does work where I'm thinking, they have open days to 
visit the 'factory' in September only, you get a guided tour of the place, 
(except where all the designing goes on of course - have you got £50,000,000 
Andrew?) ;) I know all workers there get free tickets for their immediate 
families, but apparently, the officials don't question too much about it, if 
you see what I mean. Drop a few hints... ;)




>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> And yes, tonight I'm in one of *those* moods...
>>
>>    Chin up kiddo, it's sounding good so far.  ;)
>
> *sigh* Yeah...
>
> Lovely girl, I just hope I actually get to meet her some day.

    Make it so, Grasshopper... :)


      ~Steve~



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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 15 Sep 2007 06:32:27
Message: <46ebb4bb@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v3 wrote:
>>>>       Well done! Heh, is she nice? How old(ish)?
>>> She's lovely. She makes me smile. She's 25. I'd love to know what
>>> her voice sounds like...
>>
>>       You've got that 'phone number, right?
>
> Yeah, but I don't really want to phone her while she's at work. (Which
> is basically all of the time, except when she's sleeping.)

Look, do you think she gave you the number so that you would *not* call?

If you gave your number to someone and they never called, wouldn't you be 
somewhat disappointed?

Quit making up all these excuses! If you call her and it turns out she's at 
work and doesn't have time, just ask her what time will fit her better.

Rune
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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 17 Sep 2007 16:27:48
Message: <46eee344@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:

> So, when are you going to call her?

Tomorrow evening. Unless she responds to me first...

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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 17 Sep 2007 16:29:56
Message: <46eee3c4$1@news.povray.org>
Rune wrote:

> Look, do you think she gave you the number so that you would *not* call?

Stranger things have happened...

> If you gave your number to someone and they never called, wouldn't you be 
> somewhat disappointed?

Yeah. But I'm not normal.

(Besides, it's not like she *offered* me her number. I asked for it, and 
after some prodding she eventually handed it over.)

> Quit making up all these excuses! If you call her and it turns out she's at 
> work and doesn't have time, just ask her what time will fit her better.

Well, since I haven't heard from her for several days now, I'm going to 
have to do that...

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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 19 Sep 2007 13:09:22
Message: <46f157c2@news.povray.org>
>> So, when are you going to call her?
> 
> Tomorrow evening. Unless she responds to me first...

...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(

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From: St 
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 19 Sep 2007 14:49:59
Message: <46f16f57@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46f157c2@news.povray.org...
>>> So, when are you going to call her?
>>
>> Tomorrow evening. Unless she responds to me first...
>
> ...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(

    Ok, text her that she's got a BIG surprise from you when she gets back. 
;)



      ~Steve~



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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 19 Sep 2007 14:52:18
Message: <46f16fe2@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

>> ...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(
> 
>     Ok, text her that she's got a BIG surprise from you when she gets back. 
> ;)

...?

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From: St 
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 19 Sep 2007 16:34:04
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"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46f16fe2@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>
>>> ...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(
>>
>>     Ok, text her that she's got a BIG surprise from you when she gets 
>> back. ;)
>
> ...?

    Text her, and when she gets back, present her with a big bunch of 
flowers. That's all.

    Do the text thing, and she'll be intrigued. Do the flowers thing when 
you meet her, and she'll melt, knees first.

      ~Steve~   ;)



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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 19 Sep 2007 17:06:28
Message: <46f18f54$1@news.povray.org>
>>>> ...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(
>>>     Ok, text her that she's got a BIG surprise from you when she gets 
>>> back. ;)
>> ...?
> 
>     Text her, and when she gets back, present her with a big bunch of 
> flowers. That's all.
> 
>     Do the text thing, and she'll be intrigued. Do the flowers thing when 
> you meet her, and she'll melt, knees first.

...yeah. OK. Um. I am still trying to convince this girl to meet me. :-P

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From: St 
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 19 Sep 2007 17:13:50
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"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>>>> ...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(
>>>>     Ok, text her that she's got a BIG surprise from you when she gets 
>>>> back. ;)
>>> ...?
>>
>>     Text her, and when she gets back, present her with a big bunch of 
>> flowers. That's all.
>>
>>     Do the text thing, and she'll be intrigued. Do the flowers thing when 
>> you meet her, and she'll melt, knees first.
>
> ...yeah. OK. Um. I am still trying to convince this girl to meet me. :-P

       So you've asked her for a date. What did she actually say to you?

         ~Steve~


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 20 Sep 2007 04:51:19
Message: <46f23487$1@news.povray.org>
>> Tomorrow evening. Unless she responds to me first...
>
> ...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(

The F1 track at Jerez is used a lot by the teams for testing...  Make sure 
you know how to pronounce it correctly when you speak to her :-)


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 20 Sep 2007 13:20:47
Message: <46f2abef$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

>> ...or not. Apparently she's in "jerez" at the moment. :-(
> 
> The F1 track at Jerez is used a lot by the teams for testing...  Make 
> sure you know how to pronounce it correctly when you speak to her :-)

My dad said the same thing. (He follows F1. I used to too - before they 
started changing the rules once per season...)

Apparently it isn't proncounced "jerez"...

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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 20 Sep 2007 13:21:38
Message: <46f2ac22$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

>> ...yeah. OK. Um. I am still trying to convince this girl to meet me. :-P
> 
>        So you've asked her for a date. What did she actually say to you?

No, I haven't yet. I'm just trying to find out when she isn't busy. (But 
it's now been almost a week since I last communicated with her...)

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From: scott
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 21 Sep 2007 03:45:00
Message: <46f3767c$1@news.povray.org>
> My dad said the same thing. (He follows F1. I used to too - before they 
> started changing the rules once per season...)

As far back as I can remember they have always changed part of the rules 
every season.

From around 1980 onwards F1 suddenly became very popular, the teams had huge 
amounts of cash and so started developing all these weird and wonderful ways 
to go faster.  The new rules were basically to keep all the whacky ideas at 
bay (eg no 6-wheeled cars, no fans to suck the car onto the tarmac, no 
rocket fuel, no 3 foot wide tyres).  Before this time teams didn't have the 
money to invest in this stuff, so the rules weren't needed.

After 1994 suddenly the emphasis changed to safety after the deaths of Senna 
and Ratzenburger.  Each year stricter and stricter rules were introduced to 
make the sport safer. More severe crash tests, wheels that are tethered to 
the chassis, that neck support system.  Now in F1 hardly anyone gets 
seriously injured, even if they hit a wall or roll over at 150mph.

In the last few years the gap between the top and bottom teams has been 
widening because of the amount of cash the teams have.  The top teams would 
be bringing 10 or so engines to each race, with engines specifically for 
3-lap qualifiying that would be useless afterwards.  The bottom teams could 
not afford to do this.  So since then the rules have been changed to reduce 
the performance gap between the teams, like only allowing one engine every 
two races, no engine re-design during the season, only 4 sets of tyres per 
event, etc.

Who knows what will happen next, but for sure the rules won't ever remain 
the same.


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 21 Sep 2007 07:00:18
Message: <46f3a442$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> As far back as I can remember they have always changed part of the rules 
> every season.

Yeah, but, they used to change the rules in such tiny ways that nobody 
outside the teams would ever notice.

I'm talking about when they decided "hey, what the heck? Let's just 
randomly have *two* qualifying sessions instead of one!"

> From around 1980 onwards F1 suddenly became very popular, the teams had 
> huge amounts of cash and so started developing all these weird and 
> wonderful ways to go faster.  The new rules were basically to keep all 
> the whacky ideas at bay (eg no 6-wheeled cars, no fans to suck the car 
> onto the tarmac, no rocket fuel, no 3 foot wide tyres).  Before this 
> time teams didn't have the money to invest in this stuff, so the rules 
> weren't needed.

It just amuses me. Everybody tells you that F1 is the apex of 
technology. But it isn't really. Every time they invent some technology, 
it instantly gets banned. So it's not really the apex at all...

I wonder - how fast would the cars be able to go without all the 
restrictions?

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From: scott
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 21 Sep 2007 08:55:25
Message: <46f3bf3d$1@news.povray.org>
Yeh some stuff gets banned, usually because it already breaks an existing 
rule, or it would mean the cars would go too fast.  The FIA routinely bring 
in new rules to stop the cars going too fast - it's just dangerous.  There's 
plenty of invention that doesn't get banned though, it just doesn't make the 
papers because it's not very exciting.

> I wonder - how fast would the cars be able to go without all the 
> restrictions?

Well I would imagine they could easily make a car so that no human driver 
could survive the G force for two hours...

F1 cars already brake and corner at up to 4G, it would be pretty easy to up 
that to 7 or 8G and similar for acceleration if there were no rules.

Things which would make the biggest difference to speed:
- Larger engine capacity
- Turbo chargers (with no limit on pressure)
- No regulation on fuel type
- No minimum weight
- Moveable aero devices (ie like a plane wing that changes shape depending 
on whether it wants maximum lift or minimum drag)
- Wider tyres
- Stickier tyres
- Not as many safety features


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 21 Sep 2007 10:22:07
Message: <46f3d38f$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
46f2abef$1@news.povray.org...
> Apparently it isn't proncounced "jerez"...

Yes it is of course, but in the Spanish way  ;-)

Marc


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 21 Sep 2007 19:50:31
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"M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
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>
> "Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 46f2abef$1@news.povray.org...
>> Apparently it isn't proncounced "jerez"...
>
> Yes it is of course, but in the Spanish way  ;-)

"Yereth"?...


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 22 Sep 2007 02:54:15
Message: <46f4bc17$1@news.povray.org>
"Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> a écrit dans le message de news: 
46f458c7$1@news.povray.org...
> "M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
> news:46f3d38f$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> "Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
>> 46f2abef$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Apparently it isn't proncounced "jerez"...
>>
>> Yes it is of course, but in the Spanish way  ;-)
>
> "Yereth"?...

The "j"  (jota) is pronounced almost as the "ch" in the German "ach" with 
the back part of the tongue against the back of the palate . I think there 
is no equivalent in English but in Gaelic and Welsh there is a softer 
version.
The "r" is rolled with the tip of the tongue  against the joint between 
teeth and palate
The English hard "th" is a good approximation of the Spanish "z".
The chaining of "j" and "r" is a little tricky at 1st try but not more than 
chaining "th" and "s" for non native
English speakers :-)
I found a  very well explained site but it is in spanish of course
http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/phonetics/spanish/frameset.html

Marc


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 22 Sep 2007 09:04:41
Message: <46f512e9@news.povray.org>
"M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
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>
> "Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 46f458c7$1@news.povray.org...
>> "M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
>> news:46f3d38f$1@news.povray.org...
>>>
>>> "Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
>>> 46f2abef$1@news.povray.org...
>>>> Apparently it isn't proncounced "jerez"...
>>>
>>> Yes it is of course, but in the Spanish way  ;-)
>>
>> "Yereth"?...
>
> The "j"  (jota) is pronounced almost as the "ch" in the German "ach" with 
> the back part of the tongue against the back of the palate . I think there 
> is no equivalent in English but in Gaelic and Welsh there is a softer 
> version.
> The "r" is rolled with the tip of the tongue  against the joint between 
> teeth and palate
> The English hard "th" is a good approximation of the Spanish "z".
> The chaining of "j" and "r" is a little tricky at 1st try but not more 
> than chaining "th" and "s" for non native
> English speakers :-)
> I found a  very well explained site but it is in spanish of course
> http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/phonetics/spanish/frameset.html

Marc, thanks!

I had forgotten those '-ch" as in "Bach" sounds are in Spanish, let alone 
attached to "j".  Portuguese has a similar sound, at least in the Brazilian 
form, but I think it is in the European.  "R" at the beginning of a word, or 
a doubled "rr" in a word also have the tongue against the back of the palate 
in that fricative, unclosed "kh" sound.  Eg. "Rio de Janeiro" and "arroz" 
(rice).  Single "r" not beginning a word sounds as expected, and often has a 
single-tap roll of the tongue, eg. "Garota de Ipanema" (Girl from Ipanema).

Yes, the 'j' does make it harder to hit the roll on the "r".  Been 
practicing, and it's a challenge.
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Cheers,
  Brian


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 22 Sep 2007 12:02:49
Message: <46f53ca9@news.povray.org>
"Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> a écrit dans le message de news: 
46f512e9@news.povray.org...
> Yes, the 'j' does make it harder to hit the roll on the "r".  Been 
> practicing, and it's a challenge.
> -- 
> Cheers,
>  Brian


My Spanish teacher at shool gave us a training phrase "El general 
Zumalacarregui es verdaderamente un grande general"
the "g" is pronounced same as jota before a "e" or "i" and the "v"  as a "b" 
(v de vaca , b de buey to spell the difference)

Marc


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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 22 Sep 2007 20:34:18
Message: <46f5b48a$1@news.povray.org>
"M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
news:46f53ca9@news.povray.org...
>
> "Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 46f512e9@news.povray.org...
>> Yes, the 'j' does make it harder to hit the roll on the "r".  Been 
>> practicing, and it's a challenge.
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>>  Brian
>
>
> My Spanish teacher at shool gave us a training phrase "El general 
> Zumalacarregui es verdaderamente un grande general"
> the "g" is pronounced same as jota before a "e" or "i" and the "v"  as a 
> "b" (v de vaca , b de buey to spell the difference)
>
> Marc
Sounds like this?
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ggjere01.wav=Jerez


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 23 Sep 2007 04:01:00
Message: <46f61d3c$1@news.povray.org>
"Tim Attwood" <tim### [at] comcastnet> a écrit dans le message de news: 
46f5b48a$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
> news:46f53ca9@news.povray.org...
>>
>> "Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> a écrit dans le message de news: 
>> 46f512e9@news.povray.org...
>>> Yes, the 'j' does make it harder to hit the roll on the "r".  Been 
>>> practicing, and it's a challenge.
>>> -- 
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Brian
>>
>>
>> My Spanish teacher at shool gave us a training phrase "El general 
>> Zumalacarregui es verdaderamente un grande general"
>> the "g" is pronounced same as jota before a "e" or "i" and the "v"  as a 
>> "b" (v de vaca , b de buey to spell the difference)
>>
>> Marc
> Sounds like this? > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ggjere01.wav=Jerez
Eerrr  it looks like pronounced with a strong american accent :-)
The "j" is too soft, the "r" is not rolled , the second "e" is pronounced as 
a diphtong but should have only one short sound (monophtong) as in "pet" and 
the "z" should sound as English "th" as in "truth", not as "s"
This one is closer (yet the jota is not hard enough)
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/pron/J0031700.wav
It's easy to understand why English had dropped "Jerez" for "Sherry" :-)

Marc


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 24 Sep 2007 02:54:18
Message: <46f75f1a$1@news.povray.org>
>> Sounds like this? > 
>> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?ggjere01.wav=Jerez
> Eerrr  it looks like pronounced with a strong american accent :-)
> The "j" is too soft, the "r" is not rolled , the second "e" is pronounced 
> as a diphtong but should have only one short sound (monophtong) as in 
> "pet" and the "z" should sound as English "th" as in "truth", not as "s"
> This one is closer (yet the jota is not hard enough)
> http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/pron/J0031700.wav
> It's easy to understand why English had dropped "Jerez" for "Sherry" :-)

The (English) guys on TV seem to pronounce it "hereth"... don't know how 
close that is to what it should be (no sound on this PC).


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 24 Sep 2007 11:52:06
Message: <46f7dd26$1@news.povray.org>
It is 1 week today since I last heard from her. I sent her an email on 
saturday, but she hasn't answered.

Oh well, I guess that's the end of that then... :'{

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 24 Sep 2007 12:13:01
Message: <46f7e20d$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:52:24 +0100, Orchid XP v3 wrote:

> It is 1 week today since I last heard from her. I sent her an email on
> saturday, but she hasn't answered.
> 
> Oh well, I guess that's the end of that then... :'{

It's very possible she's got other things going on in her life - don't 
give up yet....

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 24 Sep 2007 15:37:56
Message: <46f81214$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:52:24 +0100, Orchid XP v3 wrote:
> 
>> It is 1 week today since I last heard from her. I sent her an email on
>> saturday, but she hasn't answered.
>>
>> Oh well, I guess that's the end of that then... :'{
> 
> It's very possible she's got other things going on in her life - don't 
> give up yet....

That she has other things going on in her life is completely beyond 
question. (She just spent a week in some random country on a few hours' 
notice from her employer for example.)

That *I* am an extremely low priority amoung those things seems somewhat 
irrefutable also, sadly...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 24 Sep 2007 18:50:19
Message: <46f83f2b$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:13 +0100, Orchid XP v3 wrote:

> That she has other things going on in her life is completely beyond
> question. (She just spent a week in some random country on a few hours'
> notice from her employer for example.)
> 
> That *I* am an extremely low priority amoung those things seems somewhat
> irrefutable also, sadly...

Well, a lower priority, perhaps, than making a living.  These things 
happen, don't let them discourage you.

Remember:  DON'T ASSUME.

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 25 Sep 2007 02:51:34
Message: <46f8aff6@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v3 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Oh well, I guess that's the end of that then... :'{

  That may be one big problem of yours: You give up too easily.
You have been depressed by too many failures and you have a pessimistic
attitude towards such things and thus you immediately assume the worse.
  I know. I have been there. Heck, I *am* there.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Virtual insanity
Date: 25 Sep 2007 03:33:22
Message: <46f8b9c2$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>> Oh well, I guess that's the end of that then... :'{
> 
>   That may be one big problem of yours: You give up too easily.

Perhaps.

These things all come down to a reasonable sense of balance.

On the one hand, if you give up too easily you never get anywhere. On 
the other hand, you don't want to let somebody string you along forever. 
Need to draw the line somewhere.

I haven't completely given up on this one yet, but it's not looking good...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 08:38:22
Message: <46f9013e$1@news.povray.org>
Well, I finally managed to get back in contact. My joy was short-lived 
though. Apparently in "the next month or so" she's moving house to a 
place many hours' drive from here.

I feel sick. Physically.

Life is just so violently unfair. The ONLY thing I want in this world is 
to have a girlfriend. And no matter what I do, this goal remains 
completely unattainable.

I feel so miserable right now...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 08:50:20
Message: <46f9040c$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46f9013e$1@news.povray.org...
> Well, I finally managed to get back in contact. My joy was short-lived 
> though. Apparently in "the next month or so" she's moving house to a place 
> many hours' drive from here.

    <sigh> Meet her before she goes...


>
> I feel sick. Physically.


     Watch that keyboard...  :)


>
> Life is just so violently unfair. The ONLY thing I want in this world is 
> to have a girlfriend. And no matter what I do, this goal remains 
> completely unattainable.
>
> I feel so miserable right now...

    Just move out and get a place of your own. Dammit, I'm ordering you to 
do that! (Just kidding!)  ;)

    Come on Andrew, get your act together.

      ~Steve~



>
> -- 
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 08:53:39
Message: <46f904d3$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

>> Well, I finally managed to get back in contact. My joy was short-lived 
>> though. Apparently in "the next month or so" she's moving house to a place 
>> many hours' drive from here.
> 
>     <sigh> Meet her before she goes...

Yeah. Inbetween her having to finish her PhD in the next 17 days and her 
employer who might be sending her to Japan on Thursday and she's going 
on holiday to somewhere else in a few weeks' time and...

>> I feel sick. Physically.
> 
>      Watch that keyboard...  :)

Hey, maybe it'll wash some of the tissue dust off it...

>     Just move out and get a place of your own. Dammit, I'm ordering you to 
> do that! (Just kidding!)  ;)
> 
>     Come on Andrew, get your act together.

I fail to see how getting a place of my own is going to help in any way, 
shape or form. (Never mind the minor detail that I already know I can't 
afford it...)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 09:10:13
Message: <46f908b5@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46f904d3$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>

>>     <sigh> Meet her before she goes...
>
> Yeah. Inbetween her having to finish her PhD in the next 17 days and her 
> employer who might be sending her to Japan on Thursday and she's going on 
> holiday to somewhere else in a few weeks' time and...

      Well, maybe she isn't the one for you then, but there's plenty more 
out there...



>>     Come on Andrew, get your act together.
>
> I fail to see how getting a place of my own is going to help in any way, 
> shape or form. (Never mind the minor detail that I already know I can't 
> afford it...)

      Gah... <starts banging head against wall>. You are SO frustrating 
Andrew.  :o/

       ~Steve~




>
> -- 
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 09:19:28
Message: <46f90ae0@news.povray.org>
>>>     <sigh> Meet her before she goes...
>> Yeah. Inbetween her having to finish her PhD in the next 17 days and her 
>> employer who might be sending her to Japan on Thursday and she's going on 
>> holiday to somewhere else in a few weeks' time and...
> 
>       Well, maybe she isn't the one for you then, but there's plenty more 
> out there...

*sigh* Yeah, it seems she isn't. And that makes me very sad indeed. I 
was so hoping she would be... Now I've gone from "I might have a 
girlfriend in a few weeks" back to plain "I am hopelessly single", with 
no future in sight. Great.

There are plenty of *people* out there, some of whom are female, but it 
seems there are very few indeed who are suitable for me. I don't doubt 
they exist - just my ability to find them. :-(

>>>     Come on Andrew, get your act together.
>> I fail to see how getting a place of my own is going to help in any way, 
>> shape or form. (Never mind the minor detail that I already know I can't 
>> afford it...)
> 
>       Gah... <starts banging head against wall>. You are SO frustrating 
> Andrew.  :o/

Incidentally... that pain you're feeling in your head right now? I get 
that when I cough. Which I seem to be doing a lot right now...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 10:48:10
Message: <46f91faa$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46f90ae0@news.povray.org...

>>       Gah... <starts banging head against wall>. You are SO frustrating 
>> Andrew.  :o/
>
> Incidentally... that pain you're feeling in your head right now? I get 
> that when I cough. Which I seem to be doing a lot right now...


    My friend, believe me when I tell you that my head hurts almost 
permanently now, and you wouldn't want what's producing it. Really.

     ~Steve~



>
> -- 
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 12:05:18
Message: <46f931be$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v3 wrote:
> I fail to see how getting a place of my own is going to help in any
> way, shape or form.

Grown up women in the UK generally don't mind that their potential boyfriend 
live with his mother?

> (Never mind the minor detail that I already know
> I can't afford it...)

I'm curious. How can that be, when you have a job? Do you have some huge 
expenses or do you only work part-time or something?

Rune
-- 
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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 12:13:32
Message: <46f933ac$1@news.povray.org>
>> I fail to see how getting a place of my own is going to help in any
>> way, shape or form.
> 
> Grown up women in the UK generally don't mind that their potential boyfriend 
> live with his mother?

Well, I'm 27, she's 25, not sure if that qualifies as "grown up".

>> (Never mind the minor detail that I already know
>> I can't afford it...)
> 
> I'm curious. How can that be, when you have a job? Do you have some huge 
> expenses or do you only work part-time or something?

Housing prices in the UK are currently astronomical. (But don't worry; 
the prices are going to start going down any minute now... OK, maybe in 
a minute or two... no, really, they can't just keep rising forever...)

-- 
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:13:05
Message: <46f94fb1$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:13:50 +0100, Orchid XP v3 wrote:

>> Grown up women in the UK generally don't mind that their potential
>> boyfriend live with his mother?
> 
> Well, I'm 27, she's 25, not sure if that qualifies as "grown up".

It does.  Trust me.

Jim


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From: Brian Elliott
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:23:13
Message: <46f95211$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v3" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:46f933ac$1@news.povray.org...
>>> I fail to see how getting a place of my own is going to help in any
>>> way, shape or form.
>>
>> Grown up women in the UK generally don't mind that their potential 
>> boyfriend live with his mother?
>
> Well, I'm 27, she's 25, not sure if that qualifies as "grown up".

Eh???

Are you sure if the Sun qualifies as "bright", or if the Atlantic Ocean 
qualifies as "deep"??  Helloo??!!  Yes Andrew, twenty-five is VERY grown up. 
Childhood and teenage are far gone for both of you.  Even she finished high 
school eight years ago, and could easily have taken a different path and 
have her own children by now.

Sometimes, you say things that are so gauche, they're unintentionally funny 
and child-like.  Unfortunately, that's because you've experienced nothing of 
the adult's world, and that's because you 're still at home, in your 
bedroom, being cared for by Mum.

>>> (Never mind the minor detail that I already know
>>> I can't afford it...)
>>
>> I'm curious. How can that be, when you have a job? Do you have some huge 
>> expenses or do you only work part-time or something?
>
> Housing prices in the UK are currently astronomical. (But don't worry; the 
> prices are going to start going down any minute now... OK, maybe in a 
> minute or two... no, really, they can't just keep rising forever...)
>

Yes, buying is getting hard and harder.  I agree totally.  But that doesn't 
justify a strategy of "give up".  What happened to the job replacement 
search?  That story's gone quiet for a while.

You've got to do *something*!  Rent a room, live in a caravan, live in a 
tent, live in a hostel, share accomodation.  If you carry on with the "do 
nothing" option as it seems now, soon you will be 30 and still under Mum's 
care.  People will think you are one of those mentally retarded kids who 
HAVE TO be cared for by their parents after they're adults.

And doesn't your Mum deserve a break?  She's been a parent for a long time 
and surely while she's still young enough to enjoy it, she would like some 
of her old free life back that she used to have before the first baby came 
along...

-- 
Brian


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:37:22
Message: <46f95562@news.povray.org>
"Brian Elliott" <NotForSpam@AskIfUWant> wrote in message 
news:46f95211$1@news.povray.org...

   Yep.

    ~Steve~



> Brian


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 15:07:29
Message: <46f95c71@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v3 wrote:
>>> I fail to see how getting a place of my own is going to help in any
>>> way, shape or form.
>>
>> Grown up women in the UK generally don't mind that their potential
>> boyfriend live with his mother?
>
> Well, I'm 27, she's 25, not sure if that qualifies as "grown up".

Let me put it another way. For women who have moved out from home 
themselves, do they generally don't mind that their potential boyfriend 
still live with his mother?

Do the women you've been interested in live by their parents?

> Housing prices in the UK are currently astronomical.

Renting an apartment is not an option then? What do other young people your 
age in the UK do?

Rune
-- 
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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 16:22:01
Message: <46f96de9$1@news.povray.org>
Rune wrote:

>>> Grown up women in the UK generally don't mind that their potential
>>> boyfriend live with his mother?
>> Well, I'm 27, she's 25, not sure if that qualifies as "grown up".
> 
> Let me put it another way. For women who have moved out from home 
> themselves, do they generally don't mind that their potential boyfriend 
> still live with his mother?

Well, none of the ones I've spoken to seemed to mind.

> Do the women you've been interested in live by their parents?

Let me count... 3 did, 3 didn't.

>> Housing prices in the UK are currently astronomical.
> 
> What do other young people your age in the UK do?

You're asking *me*?

-- 
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From: Orchid XP v3
Subject: Re: Game over
Date: 25 Sep 2007 16:36:27
Message: <46f9714b@news.povray.org>
Brian Elliott wrote:

>> Well, I'm 27, she's 25, not sure if that qualifies as "grown up".
> 
> Eh???  Helloo??!!  Yes Andrew, twenty-five is VERY grown 
> up. Childhood and teenage are far gone for both of you.

Well, I guess maybe you could say I'm in "denial" or something.

I really hate being old. I'd much rather be a teenager again...

As a teenager, it's considered "normal" to date girls. As an adult, I 
just feel like a dirty old man when I even contemplate interacting with 
girls. :-(

> Sometimes, you say things that are so gauche, they're unintentionally 
> funny and child-like.  Unfortunately, that's because you've experienced 
> nothing of the adult's world, and that's because you 're still at home, 
> in your bedroom, being cared for by Mum.

Cared for? Heck, this month I think I've seen her about 3 times. The 
rest of the time she isn't even here! Heh. (For example, while I've been 
suffering with this cold, she's been in north Wales. Suffering even 
more, no doubt... When she left, there wasn't even any food in the house.)

(I don't know about the adult's world - I haven't seen the child's one yet!)

>> Housing prices in the UK are currently astronomical.
> 
> Yes, buying is getting hard and harder.  I agree totally.  But that 
> doesn't justify a strategy of "give up".

I did actually go to the trouble of going to see a finance advisor to 
see what the story really is. I was expecting him to say that something 
could be done (after all, that way he gets to sell me a product). But 
no. Apparently I simply don't earn enough money.

> What happened to the job 
> replacement search?  That story's gone quiet for a while.

That came to a halt because I just don't know where to go next.

I started out by writing a CV. I know how to do that. And there are 
people who will give you advice and so forth on that. If I know what to 
do, I can do it.

But then it came to the actual searching for jobs part. And that I've 
never known how to do. And I still don't know how to do it. I've looked 
in all the obvious places - the local paper, the local paper's website, 
various heavily advertised job websites. I can't find anything remotely 
similar to what I'm looking for. So, basically, I'm completely stuck, 
and I don't know what to do next.

> You've got to do *something*!  Rent a room, live in a caravan, live in a 
> tent, live in a hostel, share accomodation.

Hmm. Sleep in a tent and die of hypothermia, or live in a perfectly good 
house? Gee, let me think...

No, if I'm going to move out, I need a *real* place to stay. Doesn't 
need to be a place, but it at least needs to be SAFE.

> If you carry on with the 
> "do nothing" option as it seems now, soon you will be 30 and still under 
> Mum's care.  People will think you are one of those mentally retarded 
> kids who HAVE TO be cared for by their parents after they're adults.

I suppose technically they'd be right...

> And doesn't your Mum deserve a break?

Heh. The day I move out (assuming it ever comes), she will be utterly 
devestated. Once I leave, she will be financially ruined, and she will 
be utterly alone. She's such an obnoxious women that she doesn't have 
any "friends", so she will just sit by herself watching TV with nobody 
to tell what a crappy day she had.

I, on the other hand, won't have to put up with some person periodically 
storming in and ruining my life... Ah, it will be bliss! If only I knew 
how...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/


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