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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:54:36 +0100, 25ct wrote:
>
> Thanks Phil. I understand now, so I will unsubscribe to that one.
> I've now downloaded Pov-ray, and I am slowly picking my way through it.
>It's not something that I am used to at all, but I can see that 3/5 years
>down the line that people will become proficient at it, or less time maybe.
> Having looked at the entrants to the competition, I am even more
>interested in it. I usually mess around with PS 5, and come up with some
>quite good pics, but this Pov-ray is a whole new ball game!
> A couple of quick questions if I may, Phil. I have an error at the start
>of the help section. All of the help is there, it's just that when I go to
>the next stages, this error message always pops up, do I go back to the
>Pov-ray website, and e-mail them about it?
> Lastly, and this no slur on the team at Pov-ray,(I'm sure they do a great
>job), do you think that the prizes for the competition could be up-graded so
>as to attract more entrants? I'm just thinking that there are, say for
>example, surfing competitions that pay out quite a lot of money to the
>winner. It just seems that a lot of work goes into these images, ref: the
>pearl harbour one, that must have taken ages.(It's brilliant as well!)
> Just a thought.
> ~25ct~
Have a look at old messages in povray.general, I think there's
something about error messages when opening the help file.
When I vote on the IRTC it takes me roughly 40 minutes to investigate,
consider and comment on a good image, some images only take 5 minutes,
but at say 40 minutes per image, at 100 images (about average), hey
that's 66 hours work. I read very slowly, and sometimes rerender the
images of entrants so that I can advise them on possible improvements
this can involve building macros and while loops where the entrant has
declared the same complicated object 100 times in their scene file
etc. Sometimes I need to go on the net to research the capabilities
of the renderer or tools that an entrant has used.
I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from entering the IRTC, but I also
wouldn't want to see a doubling of entrants per round, that'd lead to a
dilution in both the quality of the images entered and the quality of
the voting aswell.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:ste### [at] zeropps uklinuxnet
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
3:10pm up 25 days, 13:37, 2 users, load average: 1.65, 1.86, 1.99
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"Steve" <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] zero-ppslocaldomain...
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:54:36 +0100, 25ct wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Phil. I understand now, so I will unsubscribe to that one.
> > I've now downloaded Pov-ray, and I am slowly picking my way through
it.
> >It's not something that I am used to at all, but I can see that 3/5 years
> >down the line that people will become proficient at it, or less time
maybe.
> > Having looked at the entrants to the competition, I am even more
> >interested in it. I usually mess around with PS 5, and come up with some
> >quite good pics, but this Pov-ray is a whole new ball game!
> > A couple of quick questions if I may, Phil. I have an error at the
start
> >of the help section. All of the help is there, it's just that when I go
to
> >the next stages, this error message always pops up, do I go back to the
> >Pov-ray website, and e-mail them about it?
> > Lastly, and this no slur on the team at Pov-ray,(I'm sure they do a
great
> >job), do you think that the prizes for the competition could be up-graded
so
> >as to attract more entrants? I'm just thinking that there are, say for
> >example, surfing competitions that pay out quite a lot of money to the
> >winner. It just seems that a lot of work goes into these images, ref:
the
> >pearl harbour one, that must have taken ages.(It's brilliant as well!)
> > Just a thought.
> > ~25ct~
>
>
> Have a look at old messages in povray.general, I think there's
> something about error messages when opening the help file.
>
> When I vote on the IRTC it takes me roughly 40 minutes to investigate,
> consider and comment on a good image, some images only take 5 minutes,
> but at say 40 minutes per image, at 100 images (about average), hey
> that's 66 hours work. I read very slowly, and sometimes rerender the
> images of entrants so that I can advise them on possible improvements
> this can involve building macros and while loops where the entrant has
> declared the same complicated object 100 times in their scene file
> etc. Sometimes I need to go on the net to research the capabilities
> of the renderer or tools that an entrant has used.
>
> I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from entering the IRTC, but I also
> wouldn't want to see a doubling of entrants per round, that'd lead to a
> dilution in both the quality of the images entered and the quality of
> the voting aswell.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Steve email mailto:ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet
>
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
>
> web http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
>
> or http://start.at/zero-pps
>
> 3:10pm up 25 days, 13:37, 2 users, load average: 1.65, 1.86, 1.99
Thanks Ron and Steve,
I completely understand now. I've had a look at pov.bin.images, so I
can understand what you are saying Steve. I think that all the images in
there are great. I quite liked the 'crappy' eye one. I'm not too sure if
this is a 'nice' term or not, though! :o)
I'm definately looking forward to the day that I can post one up, to see
what you all think of it. I have the imagination and the artistic skills
generally, but it seems I have a lot to learn before I even get that far.
Thanks for your time.
~Steve~
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> A couple of quick questions if I may, Phil. I have an error at the start
>of the help section. All of the help is there, it's just that when I go to
>the next stages, this error message always pops up, do I go back to the
>Pov-ray website, and e-mail them about it?
Posting to povray.general would be the best thing, most of the time
another
user can answer your questions about any error messages. Besides,
several
of the pov-team members are right here in these groups as well as the
TAG-team
(Technical Assistance Group)who volunteer their expertise in answering
such
questions.
I've never seen that error message. You might want to try re-installing
povray.
> do you think that the prizes for the competition could be up-graded so
> as to attract more entrants?
POV-Ray is free and the people who contribute(you can see who and how
many
at the end of the helpfile)donate their efforts. Noone is getting paid
so
we all do it for the enjoyment. The big prize is the admiration of
fellow
artists who truly understand the work that goes into making a nice
image.
--
Phil
...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.
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"Phil Clute" <pcl### [at] tiacnet> wrote in message
news:39918FFC.CD47C77A@tiac.net...
> > A couple of quick questions if I may, Phil. I have an error at the
start
> >of the help section. All of the help is there, it's just that when I go
to
> >the next stages, this error message always pops up, do I go back to the
> >Pov-ray website, and e-mail them about it?
>
> Posting to povray.general would be the best thing, most of the time
> another
> user can answer your questions about any error messages. Besides,
> several
> of the pov-team members are right here in these groups as well as the
> TAG-team
> (Technical Assistance Group)who volunteer their expertise in answering
> such
> questions.
> I've never seen that error message. You might want to try re-installing
> povray.
Hi Phil, something very strange just happened. Before replying to you,
I went back into Pov-ray to check the error message again, and it's gone!! I
did shut down earlier on in the afternoon, and rebooted again about 2 hours
ago, I wonder if this had anything to do with rectifying the problem?
>
> > do you think that the prizes for the competition could be up-graded so
> > as to attract more entrants?
>
> POV-Ray is free and the people who contribute(you can see who and how
> many
> at the end of the helpfile)donate their efforts. Noone is getting paid
> so
> we all do it for the enjoyment. The big prize is the admiration of
> fellow
> artists who truly understand the work that goes into making a nice
> image.
>
>
> --
> Phil
> ...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.
Yes Phil, I too, truly understand what it's all about now. I think that
it's great to join in with a group of artists that have these abilities.
Lets hope I can get up to the standards of what I have seen so far. It's
ace!
~Steve~
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> Lastly, and this no slur on the team at Pov-ray,(I'm sure they do a
great
> job), do you think that the prizes for the competition could be up-graded
so
> as to attract more entrants? I'm just thinking that there are, say for
Can you believe this:
I have been visiting the IRTC since it has been around and I never knew
there were any tangeble prizes other than the recognition!
HH
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"Halbert" <hha### [at] capitalnet> wrote in message
news:39931fcb@news.povray.org...
"25ct" wrote,
> > Lastly, and this no slur on the team at Pov-ray,(I'm sure they do a
> great
> > job), do you think that the prizes for the competition could be
up-graded
> so
> > as to attract more entrants? I'm just thinking that there are, say for
And then "Halbert" wrote,
>
> Can you believe this:
> I have been visiting the IRTC since it has been around and I never knew
> there were any tangeble prizes other than the recognition!
> HH
And then ~25ct~ wrote
Halbert, forgive me. I take it you did not read the rest of my posts? I
am new to this. I do not know the difference between a cock and a bull. I am
computer illiterate! I even visited the POV- Ray site and thought the
competition was theirs! But no, I have been back, and to my horror, (not
really), the competition belongs to IRTC, (didn't know what it stood for!
Apologies IRTC).
Go to, www.irtc.org/sponsors.html and you will see 'why' I asked this
question, (at the bottom). Apparently, a sponsor dropped out, and I thought
that the *prizes* were too low for the effort that was put in to the images
that were there, (and we all know what 'thought' did, don't we?) This was
before I stupidly posted, without reading through ALL the other postees
posts, first.
I've learned a lesson, would you agree? :o)
I look forward to any advice that you may want to give me, in the near
future. Many thanks.
~Steve~
PS, The 'recognition' bit, *IS* prize enough. ;o)
>
>
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i must say i think you've been a good sport for all the lessons you've
been 'taught'. good attitude. we all make mistakes sometimes. i'm
sure you've found that everyone here in the newsgroups are friendly and
encouraging. good luck with pov.
25ct wrote:
>
> "Halbert" <hha### [at] capitalnet> wrote in message
> news:39931fcb@news.povray.org...
>
> "25ct" wrote,
>
> > > Lastly, and this no slur on the team at Pov-ray,(I'm sure they do a
> > great
> > > job), do you think that the prizes for the competition could be
> up-graded
> > so
> > > as to attract more entrants? I'm just thinking that there are, say for
>
> And then "Halbert" wrote,
>
> >
> > Can you believe this:
> > I have been visiting the IRTC since it has been around and I never knew
> > there were any tangeble prizes other than the recognition!
> > HH
>
> And then ~25ct~ wrote
>
> Halbert, forgive me. I take it you did not read the rest of my posts? I
> am new to this. I do not know the difference between a cock and a bull. I am
> computer illiterate! I even visited the POV- Ray site and thought the
> competition was theirs! But no, I have been back, and to my horror, (not
> really), the competition belongs to IRTC, (didn't know what it stood for!
> Apologies IRTC).
> Go to, www.irtc.org/sponsors.html and you will see 'why' I asked this
> question, (at the bottom). Apparently, a sponsor dropped out, and I thought
> that the *prizes* were too low for the effort that was put in to the images
> that were there, (and we all know what 'thought' did, don't we?) This was
> before I stupidly posted, without reading through ALL the other postees
> posts, first.
> I've learned a lesson, would you agree? :o)
>
> I look forward to any advice that you may want to give me, in the near
> future. Many thanks.
>
> ~Steve~
>
> PS, The 'recognition' bit, *IS* prize enough. ;o)
>
> >
> >
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Thanks Ryan, when I first heard about POV-Ray, it was on a link
somewhere deep inside the web, after searching through 'computer graphic's'.
This link pointed to the 'news.povray.org' forums, so at that point I had
not seen very many images.
However, I am fully au-fait with what can be achieved now, (IRTC). I just
think that it is a fantastic tool, and I want to be able to achieve some of
the standards that I have seen so far, I'll try anyway.
All the best, ~Steve~
PS, and yes, from what I have read, everyone 'wants' to help everyone else.
I'm glad that I have joined a great 'phenomena'.
And I hope that one day I can help someone that is new.
"ryan constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:399368C6.4F186D93@yahoo.com...
> i must say i think you've been a good sport for all the lessons you've
> been 'taught'. good attitude. we all make mistakes sometimes. i'm
> sure you've found that everyone here in the newsgroups are friendly and
> encouraging. good luck with pov.
>
> 25ct wrote:
> >
> > "Halbert" <hha### [at] capitalnet> wrote in message
> > news:39931fcb@news.povray.org...
> >
> > "25ct" wrote,
> >
> > > > Lastly, and this no slur on the team at Pov-ray,(I'm sure they do
a
> > > great
> > > > job), do you think that the prizes for the competition could be
> > up-graded
> > > so
> > > > as to attract more entrants? I'm just thinking that there are, say
for
> >
> > And then "Halbert" wrote,
> >
> > >
> > > Can you believe this:
> > > I have been visiting the IRTC since it has been around and I never
knew
> > > there were any tangeble prizes other than the recognition!
> > > HH
> >
> > And then ~25ct~ wrote
> >
> > Halbert, forgive me. I take it you did not read the rest of my
posts? I
> > am new to this. I do not know the difference between a cock and a bull.
I am
> > computer illiterate! I even visited the POV- Ray site and thought the
> > competition was theirs! But no, I have been back, and to my horror, (not
> > really), the competition belongs to IRTC, (didn't know what it stood
for!
> > Apologies IRTC).
> > Go to, www.irtc.org/sponsors.html and you will see 'why' I asked this
> > question, (at the bottom). Apparently, a sponsor dropped out, and I
thought
> > that the *prizes* were too low for the effort that was put in to the
images
> > that were there, (and we all know what 'thought' did, don't we?) This
was
> > before I stupidly posted, without reading through ALL the other postees
> > posts, first.
> > I've learned a lesson, would you agree? :o)
> >
> > I look forward to any advice that you may want to give me, in the near
> > future. Many thanks.
> >
> > ~Steve~
> >
> > PS, The 'recognition' bit, *IS* prize enough. ;o)
> >
> > >
> > >
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25ct <25c### [at] lineonenet> schrieb in Nachricht <3991af57@news.povray.org>...
> Hi Phil, something very strange just happened. Before replying to
you,
>I went back into Pov-ray to check the error message again, and it's gone!!
I
>did shut down earlier on in the afternoon, and rebooted again about 2
hours
>ago, I wonder if this had anything to do with rectifying the problem?
Welcome!
I got an error when opening the POV-Help myself and it disappeared after
reboot, too. No problems since then.
Marc-Hendrik
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"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
news:399bfd47@news.povray.org...
>
> 25ct <25c### [at] lineonenet> schrieb in Nachricht <3991af57@news.povray.org>...
>
> > Hi Phil, something very strange just happened. Before replying to
> you,
> >I went back into Pov-ray to check the error message again, and it's
gone!!
> I
> >did shut down earlier on in the afternoon, and rebooted again about 2
> hours
> >ago, I wonder if this had anything to do with rectifying the problem?
>
>
> Welcome!
>
> I got an error when opening the POV-Help myself and it disappeared after
> reboot, too. No problems since then.
>
> Marc-Hendrik
>
>
Or me thanks, Marc-H. I'm really getting into this PoV-Ray now.
~Steve~ :o)
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