> On Fri, 17 May 2002 08:21:43 +0100, "Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com>
wrote:
>> why go to all that trouble when they could just harvest directly
>> from the newsgroups
>
> that's too difficoult for some people
> and html has nice browsers with bookmarks

it took me seconds to find (via google) an idiot proof, wizard based tool to
rip email addresses from newsgroups. if you know how to email lots of people
you will have no problem getting software to help you email even more.


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On Fri, 17 May 2002 16:55:08 +0100, "Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:
> it took me seconds to find (via google) an idiot proof, wizard based tool to
> rip email addresses from newsgroups. if you know how to email lots of people
> you will have no problem getting software to help you email even more.

Everything can be hacked. Does it mean non of cures should be used?

I have much more spam to e-mails used in webpages than used in news.

ABX

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 02:17:51 +0200, Lutz-Peter Hooge wrote:
> In article <pan### [at] moravia-itcom>, 
> ger### [at] moravia-itcom says...
> 
>> With the current Mozilla I can't even access the http news interface.
>> 
>> The "Enter the newsgroups" button simply doesn't do a thing...
> 
> Oh, it does. It tries to set a cookie, but fails since you disabled it, 
> than tries to read it, fails, and redirects you back on the "Enter the 
> Newsgroups" page... (at least thats what I think it does)
> 
> This is not a problem with Mozilla, but with cookies.
> 
> To the creators of the web-interface: Why is this config-page necessary 
> anyway?
> IMO it should just display the newsgroups with the default settings if it 
> doesn't find a cookie and have just an OPTIONAL link somewhere to the 
> config-page.
> 
> xpost & f'up2 povray.general

I've been unable to access the web interface over the last couple of days,
as it happens I've also been working on a CGI scrpt that uses cookies and
I can confirm that cookies seem to be working properly in Mozilla, but the
POV news web interface isn't. 

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 05:15:56 +0200, Lutz-Peter Hooge wrote:
> In article <pan### [at] moravia-itcom>, 
> ger### [at] moravia-itcom says...
> 
>> I have all cookies enabled. But the problem is quite possibly on my side,
>> especially if others are able to use the interface with Mozilla.
> 
> With cookies it works for me (Moz. RC2), without it works neither with 
> Mozilla nor Opera, so I assumed that was you Problem, too. 

Cookies enabled and working Mozilla 1.0 RC2, but news web interface not 
working for me (as mentioned in post above).

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In article <slr### [at] zeroppsorguk>, 
ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet says...

> Cookies enabled and working Mozilla 1.0 RC2, but news web interface not 
> working for me (as mentioned in post above).

Maybe some time ago you refused a cookie from news.povray.org and had 
Mozilla set to "remember this decision"?

Lutz-Peter

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In article <rlaaeuc5g3n326g32lu5hrs62bda32n88b@4ax.com>, abx### [at] babilonorg 
says...

> Everything can be hacked. Does it mean non of cures should be used?

But this "cure" is a really ugly one since it bannes innocent people who 
just don't have cookies enabled from using the web interface, and also it 
obviously sometimes causes problems with enabled cookies...

Such a "cures" should alway be server-side if possible 
(like don't showing email adresses, and limit the number of pages a 
client can request)

Lutz-Peter

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 20:14:12 +0200, Lutz-Peter Hooge wrote:
> In article <slr### [at] zeroppsorguk>, 
> ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet says...
> 
>> Cookies enabled and working Mozilla 1.0 RC2, but news web interface not 
>> working for me (as mentioned in post above).
> 
> Maybe some time ago you refused a cookie from news.povray.org and had 
> Mozilla set to "remember this decision"?

This seems like a good sugestion so I checked it out and:

.news.povray.org        TRUE    /mynews/        FALSE   1336950802      POVWebNGSign
eJwDAAAAAAE%3D
.news.povray.org        TRUE    /post/  FALSE   1336950802      POVWebNGSign
eJwDAAAAAAE%3D
.news.povray.org        TRUE    /       FALSE   1336950802      POVWebNGPrefs
1000%2C50%2C10%2Casc%2C2%2C1
%2C3%2C2%2C0%2C0%2C
.news.povray.org        TRUE    /       FALSE   1336950802      POVWebNGTimer
-552614182.NTkxOWM5YjIyMWY5Z
TQ2YmNhNTIzNDg0ZjhjYzAzNjM%3D.MTAyMTU5MDgwMSwsLCws

Right at the end of my cookies file where I expected it to be, looks to me
like it's accepting them, but the pov server can't read them for some 
reason (maybe they are being written incorrectly). 

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In article <MPG.174f6893573fa28989707@news.povray.org> , Lutz-Peter Hooge 
<lpv### [at] gmxde>  wrote:

> But this "cure" is a really ugly one since it bannes innocent people who
> just don't have cookies enabled from using the web interface, and also it
> obviously sometimes causes problems with enabled cookies...

Cookies are cookies and they do always work if enabled.  If someone disables
them and doesn't know how to turn them on again it is not exactly reasonable
to blame the site for it.  By default browsers today ask before accepting
cookies or accept them blindly if sent back only to the site setting them, so
it is very reasonable to expect them to be enabled.

Besides, it does not ban anybody from the site:

First, it is offered as a convenient *optional* way to read these newsgroups
without a newsreader.  Nobody says you cannot just get and configure any
newsreader and access the groups the "regular" way.

Second, it is a good protection against those who collect email addresses to
flood you with spam.  If you prefer spam which you cannot control over cookies
which you can control that may be your choice, but don't expect many to agree
with you in this regard.

> Such a "cures" should alway be server-side if possible
> (like don't showing email adresses, and limit the number of pages a
> client can request)

If you look, the server does not show email addresses of posters.  It would
have helped to check what you are claiming *before* complaining!  However, it
simply cannot remove email addresses from message bodies as that would in many
cases destroy parts of the messages.


And last, but surely not least:

Nobody, absolutely nobody is forcing you to use the web view.  If you don't
like it, its cookies, or can't figure how to use it, don't use it.


Oder auf Deutsch:  Einem geschenkten Gaul schaut man nicht in Maul ;-)

    Thorsten


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On Fri, 17 May 2002 23:53:21 +0200, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
 
> A server does not "read" your cookies.  Your client has to send them as part
> of the request.  That is how cookies work.  If you managed to set your client
> to not send cookies the server cannot do anything about it.  You need to fix
> your configuration.
> 

Deleted the POV cookies and it works fine now. 

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In article <3ce5799e@news.povray.org>, tho### [at] trfde says...

> Second, it is a good protection against those who collect email addresses to
> flood you with spam.  If you prefer spam which you cannot control over cookies
> which you can control that may be your choice, but don't expect many to agree
> with you in this regard.

I didn't say that there should be made nothing to prevent spamming, but 
that it is generally better to perform such things server-side than 
asking the user to change something in their browser.

> If you look, the server does not show email addresses of posters. 

Oops. 
I assumed it does, because otherwise there are not really that much 
adresses to harvest anyway.

> Nobody, absolutely nobody is forcing you to use the web view.  If you don't
> like it, its cookies, or can't figure how to use it, don't use it.

I don't use it, a newsreader is IMO better anyway.
I just brought up the issue because I thought the usablility of the web 
interface isn't optimal.
I didn't want to complain, but thought a discussion if/how this could be 
made better could't hurt.

I now see that you think that cookie-thing is absolutely necessary and I 
don't have any problem with that.

> Oder auf Deutsch:  Einem geschenkten Gaul schaut man nicht in Maul ;-)



Lutz-Peter

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