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TL;DR
Wen?
TL;DR:
Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, 'coz the Web
Newsgroup template kinda of sucks: I used Ex-Mozilla Thunderbird and it gives a
nice structure but still I need to read a lot of irrelevant posts to get to
something important, so the solution for irrelevant posts is Discord, and leave
the important stuff for the Newsgroup
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hi,
"Saul F. Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscape net> wrote:
> ...
> Why is this not in Discord, ... but still I need to read a lot
> of irrelevant posts to get to something important, so the solution
> for irrelevant posts is Discord, ...
"the weight of history" ;-) Wikipedia tells me Discord was started in 2015,
this website + news groups have been going about three times as long.
regards, jr.
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"Saul F. Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> TL;DR
> Wen?
>
> TL;DR:
> Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, 'coz the Web
> Newsgroup template kinda of sucks: I used Ex-Mozilla Thunderbird and it gives a
> nice structure but still I need to read a lot of irrelevant posts to get to
> something important, so the solution for irrelevant posts is Discord, and leave
> the important stuff for the Newsgroup
Given that Discord is a wholly proprietary, gated service that isn't
searchable/accessible outside of specific corporate-mandated clients, I think
the newsgroup is a welcome relief from the knowledge black holes that so many
projects pour all their community resources into.
The web already has a very effective technology for conveying information that's
been working for decades: HTML. Which on that note I'll bet the record of this
thread will easily outlast anything happening in those flashy fiefdoms people
seem so quick to embrace. ;)
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"Saul F. Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> TL;DR
> Wen?
>
> TL;DR:
We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time chat.
> [...] fluid and organized [...]
Is there a macro for that?
ingo ;)
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"Saul F. Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> irrelevant posts
you can read using RSS and skip what isn't of interest. Yes, old tech.
ingo
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On 07/09/2024 18:59, ingo wrote:
> "Saul F. Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> irrelevant posts
>
> you can read using RSS and skip what isn't of interest. Yes, old tech.
>
RSS ?
The last message dates from December 2021.
May be another link than <http://www.povray.org/rss.xml> ?
For my part, I've always used and still use NNTP.
--
Kurtz le pirate
Compagnie de la Banquise
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kurtz le pirate <kur### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> RSS ?
>
http://news.povray.org/rss/
I never came around setting up my old newsreader, Xnews, again. The one in
thunderbird I don't like.
ingo
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Le 2024-09-06 à 15:41, Saul F. Luizaga a écrit :
> TL;DR
> Wen?
>
> TL;DR:
> Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, 'coz the Web
> Newsgroup template kinda of sucks: I used Ex-Mozilla Thunderbird and it gives a
> nice structure but still I need to read a lot of irrelevant posts to get to
> something important, so the solution for irrelevant posts is Discord, and leave
> the important stuff for the Newsgroup
>
Discord is a real time discussion platform. It's good for a conference
or a team meeting. I use it for some role playing cessions where most
players can't meet in person.
For non-synchronous interaction, it don't hold a candle to a good old
news group.
Then, what is important for you may be irrelevant to someone else, and
what is irrelevant for you may be very important for someone else.
If you are in a thread that you don't care about, you can use the «T» to
mark it all read and skip to the next unread message.
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On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
>> TL;DR:
>
> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time chat.
>
And if we need a realtime chat, we have an (almost empty :)
IRC channel #povray on https://libera.chat/ !
--
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tTh des Bourtoulots
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hi,
"ingo" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> kurtz le pirate <kur### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > RSS ?
>
> http://news.povray.org/rss/
I use <http://news.povray.org/digest/messages/rss/>, guessing they're the same.
regards, jr.
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On 08/09/2024 19:27, jr wrote:
> hi,
>
> "ingo" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> kurtz le pirate <kur### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>> RSS ?
>>
>> http://news.povray.org/rss/
>
> I use <http://news.povray.org/digest/messages/rss/>, guessing they're the same.
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
Oh yes, it works !
Thanks
--
Kurtz le pirate
Compagnie de la Banquise
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On 8/9/2024 08:05, tTh wrote:
> On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
>
>>> TL;DR:
>>
>> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time
>> chat.
>>
>
> And if we need a realtime chat, we have an (almost empty :)
> IRC channel #povray on https://libera.chat/ !
>
That nobody uses, IRC is ancient rustic and nobody cares for it; if you
less attention from the Internet, keep ignoring current trends
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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 8/9/2024 08:05, tTh wrote:
> > On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
> >> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time
> >> chat.
Usually true - unless there's something under development by 2 or more people.
Then the posting to forum method is annoyingly slow.
> That nobody uses, IRC is ancient rustic and nobody cares for it; if you
> less attention from the Internet, keep ignoring current trends
Project management software has been suggested before, and would facilitate
working on small group or POV-Ray 4.0 development, in the instances where people
needed to iterate with realtime feedback while they had the opportunity, lest it
expire and real life once again took priority.
https://news.povray.org/povray.pov4.discussion.general/message/%3Cweb.66807cdd4bc5dc751f9dae3025979125%40news.povray.or
g%3E/#%3Cweb.66807cdd4bc5dc751f9dae3025979125%40news.povray.org%3E
It would be great if the chat logs could be saved and archived, so that the
development, debugging, and solution(s) would be available to the community
afterwards. I'd hate to lose that aspect of the forum posts.
- BW
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On 13/9/2024 11:45, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 8/9/2024 08:05, tTh wrote:
>>> On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
>
>>>> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time
>>>> chat.
>
> Usually true - unless there's something under development by 2 or more people.
> Then the posting to forum method is annoyingly slow.
>
>> That nobody uses, IRC is ancient rustic and nobody cares for it; if you
>> less attention from the Internet, keep ignoring current trends
>
> Project management software has been suggested before, and would facilitate
> working on small group or POV-Ray 4.0 development, in the instances where people
> needed to iterate with realtime feedback while they had the opportunity, lest it
> expire and real life once again took priority.
>
>
https://news.povray.org/povray.pov4.discussion.general/message/%3Cweb.66807cdd4bc5dc751f9dae3025979125%40news.povray.or
> g%3E/#%3Cweb.66807cdd4bc5dc751f9dae3025979125%40news.povray.org%3E
>
> It would be great if the chat logs could be saved and archived, so that the
> development, debugging, and solution(s) would be available to the community
> afterwards. I'd hate to lose that aspect of the forum posts.
>
> - BW
>
People just opposed like morons: hey bunch of, what part of
irrelevant/casual chat you didn't get? my post clearly states that; it
attracts people, it's like a online FAQ and might get more people
involved in every capacity: users and devs. of it, which is what this
project needs to stay alive.
If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
whee or something equally stupid
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On 8/9/2024 07:23, Alain Martel wrote:
> Le 2024-09-06 à 15:41, Saul F. Luizaga a écrit :
>> TL;DR
>> Wen?
>>
>> TL;DR:
>> Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, 'coz the Web
>> Newsgroup template kinda of sucks: I used Ex-Mozilla Thunderbird and
>> it gives a
>> nice structure but still I need to read a lot of irrelevant posts to
>> get to
>> something important, so the solution for irrelevant posts is Discord,
>> and leave
>> the important stuff for the Newsgroup
>>
> Discord is a real time discussion platform. It's good for a conference
> or a team meeting. I use it for some role playing cessions where most
> players can't meet in person.
> For non-synchronous interaction, it don't hold a candle to a good old
> news group.
>
> Then, what is important for you may be irrelevant to someone else, and
> what is irrelevant for you may be very important for someone else.
>
> If you are in a thread that you don't care about, you can use the «T» to
> mark it all read and skip to the next unread message.
I think not. I think there's a bunch of FAQs he that don't need to be,
so they can be in a IRC/Discord/Chat place. Here should be things that
are relevant, that need to be permanent; and people should suggest in
chat to put things discovered relevant on chat, here, so this is not
cluttered with bunch of irrelevant info, or topics not much of POV-Ray
that won't be relevant anymore; like this dang thread that shouldn't exist.
You're wrong, it holds candle, it stays on the chat until someone
answers it, and people do like to chat and participate in a more active
way, there are Discord chats about everything, which supplies a more
dynamic demand for casual chatting/discussing of topics. It doesn't need
to be synchronous, neither is this newsgroup, it's for just for free
conversations, what part of that you don't fuking understand? There's a
need fr that, that's why that app exists
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hi,
Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 13/9/2024 11:45, Bald Eagle wrote:
> > Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >> On 8/9/2024 08:05, tTh wrote:
> >>> On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
> >
> >>>> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time
> >>>> chat.
> >
> > Usually true - unless there's something under development by 2 or more people.
> > Then the posting to forum method is annoyingly slow.
> >
> >> That nobody uses, IRC is ancient rustic and nobody cares for it; if you
> >> less attention from the Internet, keep ignoring current trends
> >
> > Project management software has been suggested before, and would facilitate
> > working on small group or POV-Ray 4.0 development, in the instances where people
> > needed to iterate with realtime feedback while they had the opportunity, lest it
> > expire and real life once again took priority.
> > ...
> > It would be great if the chat logs could be saved and archived, so that the
> > development, debugging, and solution(s) would be available to the community
> > afterwards. I'd hate to lose that aspect of the forum posts.
> >
> People just opposed like morons: hey bunch of, what part of
> irrelevant/casual chat you didn't get? my post clearly states that; it
> attracts people, it's like a online FAQ and might get more people
> involved in every capacity: users and devs. of it, which is what this
> project needs to stay alive.
thing is, POV-Ray is "open source". the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
give your time and work. re the service you champion, why do you not start a
decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ? agree though
that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
(the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))
> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
> whee or something equally stupid
grow up. it's "ok" to say/write "penis". it is, after all, a dictionary word.
regards, jr.
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On 13/9/2024 12:35, jr wrote:
> hi,
>
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 13/9/2024 11:45, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2024 08:05, tTh wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time
>>>>>> chat.
>>>
>>> Usually true - unless there's something under development by 2 or more people.
>>> Then the posting to forum method is annoyingly slow.
>>>
>>>> That nobody uses, IRC is ancient rustic and nobody cares for it; if you
>>>> less attention from the Internet, keep ignoring current trends
>>>
>>> Project management software has been suggested before, and would facilitate
>>> working on small group or POV-Ray 4.0 development, in the instances where people
>>> needed to iterate with realtime feedback while they had the opportunity, lest it
>>> expire and real life once again took priority.
>>> ...
>>> It would be great if the chat logs could be saved and archived, so that the
>>> development, debugging, and solution(s) would be available to the community
>>> afterwards. I'd hate to lose that aspect of the forum posts.
>>>
>> People just opposed like morons: hey bunch of, what part of
>> irrelevant/casual chat you didn't get? my post clearly states that; it
>> attracts people, it's like a online FAQ and might get more people
>> involved in every capacity: users and devs. of it, which is what this
>> project needs to stay alive.
>
> thing is, POV-Ray is "open source". the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
> give your time and work. re the service you champion, why do you not start a
> decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ? agree though
> that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
> (the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))
>
>> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
>> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
>> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
>> whee or something equally stupid
>
> grow up. it's "ok" to say/write "penis". it is, after all, a dictionary word.
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
Hey genius, what part of casual chat you don't get it; why you jump to
Discord hangout? I never mentioned, referred to or implied so.
Whee-whee was to emphasize the ridiculousness of your opposition; you
don't get the hint like you don't get why I want this, you purposely stupid.
And WTF "re the service you champion" means? why don't you learn some
proper English writing instead of telling me to grow up?
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hey,
Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 13/9/2024 12:35, jr wrote:
> > ...
> > thing is, POV-Ray is "open source". the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
> > give your time and work. re the service you champion, why do you not start a
> > decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ? agree though
> > that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
> > (the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))
> >
> >> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
> >> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
> >> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
> >> whee or something equally stupid
> >
> > grow up. it's "ok" to say/write "penis". it is, after all, a dictionary word.
> >
> Hey genius, what part of casual chat you don't get it;
the "part I get", loud and clear, is that you are a person of words, not actions
("work"). </grin>
> why you jump to
> Discord hangout? I never mentioned, referred to or implied so.
you mentioned another service ?
> Whee-whee was to emphasize the ridiculousness of your opposition; you
> don't get the hint like you don't get why I want this, you purposely stupid.
>
> And WTF "re the service you champion" means? why don't you learn some
> proper English writing instead of telling me to grow up?
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/champion>, see section "verb".
hth.
regards, jr.
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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
{a lot of stuff}
Saul, my man: Chill.
I'm a Free Speech guy, especially because it allows those who will expose
themselves to being voluntarily ignored to sound off - thus alerting the rest of
the community to be enlightened about people they were previously unaware of.
You can make your suggestions and arguments just as well, if not better by
simply explaining the benefits of what you suggest without raging and lashing
out against people you don't know with ad hominem attacks.
No one's saying that what you're suggesting is without merit, or telling you
that you're wrong, opposing you, or looking for an online fight.
However; many of us are lucky to get a few hours in a week to code even a single
scene for our personal enjoyment.
If there's a Discord server available for chatting about POV-Ray, then tell us
about it. Don't just show up and . . . sow discord.
- Bill Walker
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On 13/9/2024 13:06, jr wrote:
> hey,
>
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 13/9/2024 12:35, jr wrote:
>>> ...
>>> thing is, POV-Ray is "open source". the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
>>> give your time and work. re the service you champion, why do you not start a
>>> decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ? agree though
>>> that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
>>> (the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))
>>>
>>>> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
>>>> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
>>>> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
>>>> whee or something equally stupid
>>>
>>> grow up. it's "ok" to say/write "penis". it is, after all, a dictionary word.
>>>
>> Hey genius, what part of casual chat you don't get it;
>
> the "part I get", loud and clear, is that you are a person of words, not actions
> ("work"). </grin>
>
>> why you jump to
>> Discord hangout? I never mentioned, referred to or implied so.
>
> you mentioned another service ?
>
>
>> Whee-whee was to emphasize the ridiculousness of your opposition; you
>> don't get the hint like you don't get why I want this, you purposely stupid.
>>
>> And WTF "re the service you champion" means? why don't you learn some
>> proper English writing instead of telling me to grow up?
>
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/champion>, see section "verb".
>
> hth.
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
Oh so you think you can manipulate me into doing a stupid idea that you
had, to prove a stupid point I wasn't making?
No matter how clever you think you are posing your stupid idea, is still
a stupid idea.
I mentioned chat you moron, chat, you fuking get it?
And what's "re" you retard?
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On 13/9/2024 13:25, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
> {a lot of stuff}
>
> Saul, my man: Chill.
>
Believe me, I'm chill
> You can make your suggestions and arguments just as well, if not better by
> simply explaining the benefits of what you suggest without raging and lashing
> out against people you don't know with ad hominem attacks.
I did, everyone started going off the point, to give stupid
justifications for unrelated topics I wasn't referring to, to deny my
point. I dislike people playing the fool, 'coz is fun to oppose a person
for the sake of it.
> No one's saying that what you're suggesting is without merit, or telling you
> that you're wrong, opposing you, or looking for an online fight.
I believe you all are, just being buttholes 'coz your boring day just
got interesting; otherwise you wouldn't be in a contest which one of you
writes the most butthole opposing comment.
> However; many of us are lucky to get a few hours in a week to code even a single
> scene for our personal enjoyment.
Fine, so don't be on Discord, I don't use it greatly myself, just go
check for news on several Servers, or to pick some interesting topic, my
time is short too for personal interests
> If there's a Discord server available for chatting about POV-Ray, then tell us
> about it. Don't just show up and . . . sow discord.
>
> - Bill Walker
>
If there was, I wouldn't be here, and I wouldn't need to tell you 'coz
it'd be on POV-Ray Community section, which is the proper way to do it,
it shouldn't be some random person to make the Discord Server, it should
be made by the people in charge of POV-Ray, like they're in charge of
the POV-Ray Server.
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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> Oh so you think you can manipulate me into doing a stupid idea that you
> had, to prove a stupid point I wasn't making?
> No matter how clever you think you are posing your stupid idea, is still
> a stupid idea.
I neither started this thread, nor had I heard of Discord. more .. interweb.
</shrug>
> I mentioned chat you moron, chat, you fuking get it?
(might have read better spellchecked)
> And what's "re" you retard?
short for "regarding". your conversational English really .. is wanting. ;-)
regards ,jr.
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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> ... the proper way to do it,
> it shouldn't be some random person to make the Discord Server, it should
> be made by the people in charge of POV-Ray, like they're in charge of
> the POV-Ray Server.
says the person of words. wanting "someone in charge", not prepared to even do
some work for themselves _and_ the community. </sigh>
regards, jr.
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On 13/9/2024 14:05, jr wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> ...
>> Oh so you think you can manipulate me into doing a stupid idea that you
>> had, to prove a stupid point I wasn't making?
>> No matter how clever you think you are posing your stupid idea, is still
>> a stupid idea.
>
> I neither started this thread, nor had I heard of Discord. more .. interweb.
> </shrug>
>
>
>> I mentioned chat you moron, chat, you fuking get it?
>
> (might have read better spellchecked)
>
>
>> And what's "re" you retard?
>
> short for "regarding". your conversational English really .. is wanting. ;-)
>
>
> regards ,jr.
>
Oh now you're not guilty of anything, know nothing about it and of
course your lack of reading comprehension is my lack of spellchecking,
not yours at all whatsoever... not playing the fool at all neither
Oh yeah, I had to ask twice for you to come with the answer to an
ambiguous 2 letter word. BTW Regarding is like this "Re:" your lack of
letter composition is... lacking, you Snowflake
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On 13/9/2024 14:13, jr wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> ... the proper way to do it,
>> it shouldn't be some random person to make the Discord Server, it should
>> be made by the people in charge of POV-Ray, like they're in charge of
>> the POV-Ray Server.
>
> says the person of words. wanting "someone in charge", not prepared to even do
> some work for themselves _and_ the community. </sigh>
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
I'm sorry, that you didn't have a father figure that taught you
hierarchical order or things in life and people's organizations, but
yeah that's how the World works better. So you want me to make some work
while being practically a stranger to this community? what else you're
being lazy but control remoting people about? Snowflake?
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hi,
Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> Oh now you're not guilty of anything, know nothing about it and of
> course your lack of reading comprehension is my lack of spellchecking,
> not yours at all whatsoever... not playing the fool at all neither
</shrug> a German might say "Wie man in den Wald ruft, so schallt es heraus".
> Oh yeah, I had to ask twice for you to come with the answer to an
> ambiguous 2 letter word. BTW Regarding is like this "Re:" your lack of
> letter composition is... lacking, you Snowflake
fair comment. fwiw, I do aim to be consistent in my deviation from the norm.
> > says the person of words. wanting "someone in charge", not prepared to even do
> > some work for themselves _and_ the community. </sigh>
>
> ... So you want me to make some work while being practically a stranger to this
community? what else you're being la
zy but control remoting people about? Snowflake?
try "rational". _if_ you had some kind of group set up on ${service}, and got
"usage", then you could come here and ask, with some justification, whether that
group wouldn't be better "housed" in "official" POV-Ray, or linked to, etc.
but, so far, words, ideas only. well, as the saying goes, "words are cheap".
regards, jr.
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On 13/9/2024 15:25, jr wrote:
> hi,
>
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> ...
>> Oh now you're not guilty of anything, know nothing about it and of
>> course your lack of reading comprehension is my lack of spellchecking,
>> not yours at all whatsoever... not playing the fool at all neither
>
> </shrug> a German might say "Wie man in den Wald ruft, so schallt es heraus".
>
>
>> Oh yeah, I had to ask twice for you to come with the answer to an
>> ambiguous 2 letter word. BTW Regarding is like this "Re:" your lack of
>> letter composition is... lacking, you Snowflake
>
> fair comment. fwiw, I do aim to be consistent in my deviation from the norm.
>
>
>>> says the person of words. wanting "someone in charge", not prepared to even do
>>> some work for themselves _and_ the community. </sigh>
>>
>> ... So you want me to make some work while being practically a stranger to this
community? what else you're being la
> zy but control remoting people about? Snowflake?
>
> try "rational". _if_ you had some kind of group set up on ${service}, and got
> "usage", then you could come here and ask, with some justification, whether that
> group wouldn't be better "housed" in "official" POV-Ray, or linked to, etc.
> but, so far, words, ideas only. well, as the saying goes, "words are cheap".
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
A Bolivian would say: no estoy proyectando sobre tí, pobre imbecil
Yeah, you're abnormal and moronic, yet you think you're rational; not
contradiction at all.
Yeah, I'm not going to work for you for free, Fritz; but you seem to
know a lot, then why don't you do it? hypocrite Communist
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hi.
this .. conversation is (by now) somewhat fanciful and well "off-topic", and the
tone decidedly "juvenile" ;-). a last reply though, I cannot resist :-).
Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> A Bolivian would say: no estoy proyectando sobre tí, pobre imbecil
>
> Yeah, you're abnormal and moronic, yet you think you're rational; not
> contradiction at all.
>
> Yeah, I'm not going to work for you for free, Fritz; but you seem to
> know a lot, then why don't you do it? hypocrite Communist
do you really think that you could create something -- anything -- which would
tempt me to use "social media" ? "bring it on" </big-grin>
regards, jr.
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On 06/09/2024 22:41, Saul F. Luizaga wrote:
> Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, ...
>
As I can see Discord is not much popular here, why not to discuss
Telegram usage - it's in the focus of internet community now :)
--
YB
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On 13/9/2024 17:17, jr wrote:
> hi.
>
> this .. conversation is (by now) somewhat fanciful and well "off-topic", and the
> tone decidedly "juvenile" ;-). a last reply though, I cannot resist :-).
>
>
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> A Bolivian would say: no estoy proyectando sobre tí, pobre imbecil
>>
>> Yeah, you're abnormal and moronic, yet you think you're rational; not
>> contradiction at all.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm not going to work for you for free, Fritz; but you seem to
>> know a lot, then why don't you do it? hypocrite Communist
>
> do you really think that you could create something -- anything -- which would
> tempt me to use "social media" ? "bring it on" </big-grin>
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
Haha Reverse Psychology? Yes, I created an erection, now suck it and go
tell your friends on social media
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On 13/9/2024 18:01, yesbird wrote:
> On 06/09/2024 22:41, Saul F. Luizaga wrote:
>> Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, ...
>>
>
> As I can see Discord is not much popular here, why not to discuss
> Telegram usage - it's in the focus of internet community now :)
> --
> YB
>
TBH I used to hate Discord with a passion, starting with the dumbass
name, but I learned the functions and is nice once you figure it out and
it has improved its very confusing GUI over time, so it's perfect as a
modern IRC 2.0. Telegram is just the classical chat, but yeah that could
work too, but as a second channel, not as good and versatile as Discord
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On 14/9/2024 01:27, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> On 13/9/2024 18:01, yesbird wrote:
>> On 06/09/2024 22:41, Saul F. Luizaga wrote:
>>> Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, ...
>>>
>>
>> As I can see Discord is not much popular here, why not to discuss
>> Telegram usage - it's in the focus of internet community now :)
>> --
>> YB
>>
> TBH I used to hate Discord with a passion, starting with the dumbass
> name, but I learned the functions and is nice once you figure it out and
> it has improved its very confusing GUI over time, so it's perfect as a
> modern IRC 2.0. Telegram is just the classical chat, but yeah that could
> work too, but as a second channel, not as good and versatile as Discord
There's a Telegram Russian channel with 3 members. I just checked
Channels are not longer possible on Telegram, unless you pay probably,
so I'm not creating 1
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Kids, can you go play somewhere else and let this group
talk about POVRay ?
--
Kurtz le pirate
Compagnie de la Banquise
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On 14/9/2024 03:10, kurtz le pirate wrote:
>
> Kids, can you go play somewhere else and let this group
> talk about POVRay ?
>
Exactly my point
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tTh <tth### [at] noneinvalid> wrote:
> On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
>
> >> TL;DR:
> >
> > We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time chat.
> >
>
> And if we need a realtime chat, we have an (almost empty :)
> IRC channel #povray on https://libera.chat/ !
>
> --
> +++
> tTh des Bourtoulots
> +++
Okay, so why couldn't we have a POV-Ray discord server? Ya'll talk about black
holes but there is an IRC still why? Retro doesn't mean hindering yourself and
the community on purpose. You know what does create a black hole of knowledge?
Less accessible information. Answers that you have to wait for and might forget
or give up on.
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"00face" <adc### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Okay, so why couldn't we have a POV-Ray discord server? Ya'll talk about black
> holes but there is an IRC still why? Retro doesn't mean hindering yourself and
> the community on purpose. You know what does create a black hole of knowledge?
> Less accessible information. Answers that you have to wait for and might forget
> or give up on.
I have only ever once used a Discord server (very briefly) so I don't know what
the advantages or disadvantages of that sort of thing are.
Aside from web-based services, the only 3rd-party thing I use is Telegram.
Concerning development of POV-Ray 4.0 / SDL 2.0, some of us have put forth the
possibility of using some sort of Project Management software in order to
organize and keep track of feature requests and progress on implementing key
tasks, as well as making sure that the time someone volunteers to work on
solutions can be chosen to be the most efficient by working on the highest
priority items.
I suggested doing this using Fossil, but that didn't seem to take off.
https://www.fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki
I don't have a server, and like I said, I don't know anything about Discord -
but if you or anyone you know can set one up, I would be more than happy to
create an account and see how it works.
- BW
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On 8/09/2024 02:32, 19100 wrote:
> Given that Discord is a wholly proprietary, gated service that isn't
> searchable/accessible outside of specific corporate-mandated clients, I think
> the newsgroup is a welcome relief from the knowledge black holes that so many
> projects pour all their community resources into.
I feel the same. A lot of projects seem to be happy to go to a black hole rather than
maintain a searchable presence. While it's probably fair to say that it takes a lot
more work to set up and maintain your own forums than it does to just get free hosting
from discord. But even that bar is being overtaken (slowly) as places like GitHub
improve their discussions experience.
TL;DR I believe strongly in keeping support-related conversations available for future
users to find, rather than discover DenverCoder9 moved to Discord.
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On 15/02/2025 02:35, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Concerning development of POV-Ray 4.0 / SDL 2.0, some of us have put forth the
> possibility of using some sort of Project Management software in order to
> organize and keep track of feature requests and progress on implementing key
> tasks, as well as making sure that the time someone volunteers to work on
> solutions can be chosen to be the most efficient by working on the highest
> priority items.
>
> I suggested doing this using Fossil, but that didn't seem to take off.
> https://www.fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki
https://plane.so is an open-source project management tool that can be self-hosted or
run in the cloud. We've (day job) been looking at it as our current solution, Pivotal
Tracker, is shutting down (purchased by Broadcom).
However honestly I think a project management tool like any of these is probably
overkill - unless someone is willing to be project manager and chief cat herder.
I've got a number of personal goals for 4.0 but none of them really require anything
outside of what github supplies.
-- Chris
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On 14/09/2024 17:10, kurtz le pirate wrote:
>
> Kids, can you go play somewhere else and let this group
> talk about POVRay ?
In case some readers are not aware, we do have a group specifically for off-topic
random chat (povray.off-topic).
If anyone really wants real-time communication (and given the dearth of users in the
IRC channel, I think not too many) then it should be something standards-based and
perhaps a little less arcane than IRC. A standard like XMPP for example (supported by
Thunderbird for those who use it). I already have Trillian so I use that instead.
There's dozens of XMPP-compatible clients out there.
FWIW we do have an experimental XMPP service (xmpp.povray.org) but it's only used by
myself and one other user, mainly as a convenience for myself. Not really intending to
do much more with it but if there was interest I suppose I could allow more accounts.
-- Chris
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"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> "00face" <adc### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
> > Okay, so why couldn't we have a POV-Ray discord server? Ya'll talk about black
> > holes but there is an IRC still why? Retro doesn't mean hindering yourself and
> > the community on purpose. You know what does create a black hole of knowledge?
> > Less accessible information. Answers that you have to wait for and might forget
> > or give up on.
>
> I have only ever once used a Discord server (very briefly) so I don't know what
> the advantages or disadvantages of that sort of thing are.
>
> Aside from web-based services, the only 3rd-party thing I use is Telegram.
>
> Concerning development of POV-Ray 4.0 / SDL 2.0, some of us have put forth the
> possibility of using some sort of Project Management software in order to
> organize and keep track of feature requests and progress on implementing key
> tasks, as well as making sure that the time someone volunteers to work on
> solutions can be chosen to be the most efficient by working on the highest
> priority items.
>
> I suggested doing this using Fossil, but that didn't seem to take off.
> https://www.fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki
>
> I don't have a server, and like I said, I don't know anything about Discord -
> but if you or anyone you know can set one up, I would be more than happy to
> create an account and see how it works.
>
> - BW
Well that is excellent. I created a #pov-ray forum channel at
https://discord.gg/r7kHDx9Pmn . I think a Workflowy might be a more modern way
of doing something like Fossil, with all the modern features we'd need.
Basically it's an infinite outliner with image and tagging and focus mode
features.
If we went any further I'd suggest a Trello. I've set up everything from
SaleForce to Adobe WorkFront for clients. So I'd be happy to help with that
part. I real just want to help empower people to find answers even easier,
including for myself. How I have wished to meet a friend into POV-Ray.
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TLDR: LiberaChat #povray channel does exist.
.....And reading this discussion reminded me how long I had forgotten to connect
to the Liberachat and say hi ! to people who have always been there for years
and did always answer ! Thank you tTh and KurtzLePirate !
I'm sure 00face and Saul Luizaga didn't mean to really insult people and just
spoke from a passionate perspective, we probably all felt it, end I'm proud of
being part of this community which was able to receive a little friendly rant,
without escalating to hostility.
The point they made is that maybe some people especially beginners prefer to
chat more informally before posting stuff on such a well archived and searchable
place as here.
Also existing are...
2 Facebook groups, a continuous Mastodon hashtag activity, Blenderartists.org
povray tag ... But yes none of this is real time... (except there's messenger
on FB but it's too private and suffers the same issue of data exploitation as
Discord and Telegram)
The point to be made is that if people don't answer faster, it's because they
can't, (and might even refrain from joining such channels for that reason)
.....unless you (the faster-moving ones) do answer to those in demand. Thanks for
this important contribution ! ;-)
* Liberachat IRC is not that bad of a start ! And the good thing is you don't
have to choose, you can use all of the mentioned networks ! Since I joined one
of the facebook group (Persistence of Vision ...Forever), it went from 4 to 69
persons! and Fans of POV-Ray has been around the current 232 for longer.
For years I tried not to be too far from where the POV "crowd" could federate,
and it did come along by and by, we can count on about a hundred persons on any
of these currently (the same people). So indeed your endeavor to reach more
can't hurt ! (just be aware of the flaws of such a platform, making it a
potentially less appreciated tool from people like us) I am going to join your
discord, but of course since I don't trust discord at all, it may very well
never get to be my favorite solution as happened in the past!
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